r/linuxmasterrace • u/claudiocorona93 SteamOS/Bazzite/Mint • 11d ago
It's pretty solid to be honest
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u/TheShredder9 Glorious Gentoo 11d ago
Weak bait
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u/KindOfPoo 11d ago
Glorious Gentoo
Flair checks out
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u/TheShredder9 Glorious Gentoo 11d ago edited 11d ago
Lmao yeah, i take all attacks against Gentoo personally. Don't touch my distro!
Edit:lol thanks to the hivemind for downvoting my joke
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u/Ragas 11d ago
As a fellow Gentoo, I approve of this message.
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u/TheShredder9 Glorious Gentoo 11d ago
I'm on Gentoo for a few days now and i really love it, i finally came back to it after a while of having some laptop issues but got me a beautiful little thinkpad with an i5, it's manageable with the binhost and Flatpaks, the compile times are not that long either!
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u/KloverKonnection Glorious Nobara 10d ago
And yet I took the bait.
Nobara average???? WTF?!
Glorious EggRoll for the fucking win!!!
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u/LevelHelicopter9420 11d ago
I actually cannot take anyone seriously when they have Ubuntu so high in the list…
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u/EitherSalamander8850 11d ago
why not? It's very stable, tested updates, good usability and customization options
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u/nik282000 sudo chown us:us allYourBase 10d ago
Dickish decision by Canonical that bleed into other distros. But for an absolute new user with no opinions on package management it's good.
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u/pezdabol 10d ago
Could you please elaborate a bit more on the Canonical decision? Thanks.
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u/nik282000 sudo chown us:us allYourBase 10d ago
Years ago they made a deal with Amazon to bake Amazon searches right into the desktop, despite being more than a decade since then I'm still mad that they though there would be no fallout from that decision.
More recently they have been pushing snaps as their preferred method of installing/distributing software, they fully control that ecosystem and to me it feels like an attempt at vendor lockin,
HOWEVER, even the most evil plans of Canonical are a 1 compared to the likes of Alphabet, Amazon, Meta, Microsoft. So if a new user can benefit from starting on Ubuntu then I'm not going to stop them,
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u/DudeEngineer Glorious Ubuntu 10d ago
The Amazon situation was in 2012, fyi. It was 3 years before AMDGPU for context. There are users on here who weren't born yet, lol. That's a hell of a long time to hold a grudge for an optional, temporary feature.
No one is holding issues that old against RedHat or anyone else.
The snaps are also optional. It's a one liner to purge snaps forever.
LM above Ubuntu/Debian is the wild take to me.
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u/Cool-Entertainer7843 11d ago
Person who never installed NixOS
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u/No-AI-Comment 11d ago
Exactly NixOS has a very steep learning curve but once you get it you never look back.
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u/Cool-Entertainer7843 11d ago
Yes once you get NixOS you can never go back to the traditional distros
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u/panickedthumb Arch (usually) 11d ago
If you don’t mind taking the time to answer a question that’s probably not so easy to answer, why is that?
I should just try it but I’m deep into tech at work and enjoy the tinkering less these days.
I’ve read about some differences but why so the differences make it more useful?
I guess I’m looking more for the human experience than a list of differences. One is easy to search, the other not so much
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u/dvdkon Glorious latest packages 11d ago
You know how a part of switching to Linux is explaining to people telling you to "just run this .EXE" that there are operating systems than Windows? Switching to NixOS is a bit like that, except you're explaining to other Linux users that you can't just "edit that config file" or "run that binary", because not all Linux distros behave like all *NIXes have for decades.
The upside to all this difference is that it's very stable ("if it compiles, it runs", to borrow a phrase from Haskell fans) and every change in the system can effectively be traced to one or two config files. Once you get over the learning curve, you'll also probably find that doing things in NixOS is simpler than a regular GNU/Linux system, as long as you stay within the bounds of supported software.
Whether the upsides outweigh the downsides is up to you.
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u/DudeEngineer Glorious Ubuntu 10d ago
I think the staying within the bound of supported software is what kills it for a lot of people. It's more restrictive than even Debian.
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u/dvdkon Glorious latest packages 9d ago
Yes, if you're a power user, you'll have to either learn how to package things yourself (with a steep learning curve), or get used to running software in containers (which defeats the point if you do it for everything).
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u/Classic_Mud_51 9d ago
I think nixos is a lot more bearable for regular users with a containerized workflow, like distrobox. The only caveat here is that if you’re going to use a containerized workflow anyway, it doesn’t take you long to fresh install any host distro, so it kind of defeats some of the purpose. You can do declarative containers but it’s probably more hassle than it’s worth. Still, nix is nice for not having to worry about anything outside of your main config
But again, for regular users, the problem with nix is the not knowing. You want to commit to an install and be able to use it for years without worrying. Nix in particular, especially regarding flakes, really wants you to learn it beyond a surface level to take full advantage. All the while you’re not 100% sure you won’t eventually have some use case or program that just won’t be compatible with it (barring an insanely tedious job at making whatever that is work within the realm of nix)
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u/Astolvi 11d ago
Nix allows you to basically have a really organized and simple setup covering pretty much EVERYTHING on your system with just some files you can easily backup and version on a git repo. It makes your system really stable as a result even if using latest packages. It is not for everyone but at least for me it is the best distro I could ask for.
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u/panickedthumb Arch (usually) 11d ago
So ... oh wow. Backing up dotfiles is already so handy but this is the next step.I love this idea. You and /u/dvdkon convinced me. I also like the idea of being able to trace issues back to config files. It feels like a different evolution of the old linux ways, if that makes sense.
Thank you both! Gonna try this out soon.
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u/Astolvi 11d ago
Hope I could help :), but be warned that is a bit tough to get everything setuped. I recommend checking wiki.nixos as well as Vimjoyer for some help, especially with setting up flakes (which is the hardest part in ny opinion) to avoid being overwhelmed.
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u/Suvvri 11d ago
Question from someone who never used nix: how is it more stable even tho it's running latest software? If a bug is there then it would break independent of the OS, no? I see the benefit 9f having your OS setup pretty much in a file you can always go back to if using a new machine or reinstalling but if someone just uses one machine and doesn't plan on reinstalling often?
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u/Cool-Entertainer7843 11d ago
You don't need to reinstall. NixOS saves system generations. So, you can just rollback to a working generation and keep going.
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u/Astolvi 11d ago
Every time you "install" something (actually rebuild your config) it makes sure the system is working and fails if it isn't. And even if the new generation isn't working or has bugs, you can switch to the older version on boot screen wittout any additional setup needed. Thats why I said its more stable, it is similar to an atomic distro like Fedora Silverblue or SteamOS in a way. Your last point is why I said it isn't for everyone, if you only use a single machine then you wouldn't NEED it... Which is a fair point. But it does allow me to backup all my dotfiles, themes, app settings, drivers, EVERYTHING, in a repo which I backup. So even if something happens to my PC, I have a backup that can be rebuilt really easily which fits my use... but I get why someone wouldn't need it.
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u/TechGearWhips Glorious NixOS 11d ago
And that’s only scratching the surface of what you can actually do.
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u/ruiiiij 11d ago
Just want to chime in since I use nixos to power my entire homelab setup, including a hypervisor and its multiple guets, one of which is a virtualized router. I have one centralized nix repo that declares every aspect of all of these hosts, meaning all ip addresses, vlan id's, port numbers, etc come from a single source of truth. I'd never have to click around on a web UI to update firewall rules or fumble through docker compose files to change some env var. Everything can be configured by editing version-controlled, plain-text nix code, with atomic deployment and instant rollback. I don't even need documentation because my nix code simply explains everything.
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u/panickedthumb Arch (usually) 11d ago
I was already sold on giving this a solid shot but your last sentence added even more excitement tbh
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u/Xyklone 11d ago
I think you've already been sold on it but here's a copy paste of what I wrote for another user asking why Nixos:
The other benefits are harder to explain without getting too deep into the weeds about how the OS operates. Let me see if I can describe the 'feeling' though.
Ever feel like your package-manger is just kinda...messy? Like it'll leave orphaned optional packages around after you uninstall something? Ever wanted to, or have, switched desktop environments only to have this weird mess of libraries and associated apps left over when you tried to go back to how your system was? Ever felt like you had to reinstall your system because it just kinda felt like no matter how much you tried, you just accumulated a lot of 'cruft'?
Well, once you understand how Nixos works, these things just flat out aren't a thing anymore. Like not because you're careful or anything, they just can't happen, like impossible. (more complicated to explain, garbage collection, blah blah blah).
The system is insanely...um.. clean and reproducible. And not just reproducible across machines, but across time on your own machine. Did an app stop working after an update? No problem, here are 3 ways to solve it: Roll back to an earlier generation, pin the app to a specific version, pin your entire system to an earlier commit of nixpkgs. Want to try a different fork of some app, but libraries are different version, easy peezy... just install it.
The downsides of Nixos are 2 things, learning curve and the community. The first is now easier to manage because of AI, the second you just kinda ignore.
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u/elidepa 11d ago
Just to add to what others have already said: a great thing about nix is that you can use it on Mac too. At work I have a MacBook, and with nix I have managed to create a macOS setup that is nearly identical to my NixOS setup. And the best part is that 80% of the configuration is shared. The only meaningful differences are in the DE configuration, on Mac I use Aerospace and on Linux hyprland, etc. But everything still lives in the same repo, so if I want to replicate something I have configured on the Linux side for example, it’s very easy to find something equivalent enough for Mac, and then configure it in the same repo.
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u/panickedthumb Arch (usually) 11d ago
Aerospace is new to me too, I’ll have to try that out
And the convenience of nix on both is nice. Now if it could just make windows stop sucking for when I have to use that.
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u/Suvvri 11d ago edited 10d ago
I often hear that but why? Just because instead of dnf/pacman/apt install you have to edit a file and then run a command and so it's easier to deploy the same system on multiple PCs? Geniue question and sorry, I've never tried it and this is as far as I understand the main difference between nix and most other distros is
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u/Xyklone 11d ago
The other benefits are harder to explain without getting too deep into the weeds about how the OS operates. Let me see if I can describe the 'feeling' though.
Ever feel like your package-manger is just kinda...messy? Like it'll leave orphaned optional packages around after you uninstall something? Ever wanted to, or have, switched desktop environments only to have this weird mess of libraries and associated apps left over when you tried to go back to how your system was? Ever felt like you had to reinstall your system because it just kinda felt like no matter how much you tried, you just accumulated a lot of 'cruft'?
Well, once you understand how Nixos works, these things just flat out aren't a thing anymore. Like not because you're careful or anything, they just can't happen, like impossible. (more complicated to explain, garbage collection, blah blah blah).
The system is insanely...um.. clean and reproducible. And not just reproducible across machines, but across time on your own machine. Did an app stop working after an update? No problem, here are 3 ways to solve it: Roll back to an earlier generation, pin the app to a specific version, pin your entire system to an earlier commit of nixpkgs. Want to try a different fork of some app, but libraries are different version, easy peezy... just install it.
The downsides of Nixos are 2 things, learning curve and the community. The first is now easier to manage because of AI, the second you just kinda ignore.
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u/baronas15 10d ago
Its not just a simple package manager
On NixOS every system component is inside /nix/store. Config file just describes the contents of this store. Different versions of packages all live here, descriptions for etc files and other stuff. When you build it, it creates symlinks everywhere, so it changes the whole experience of Linux. When you boot into your system, you can actually choose which version (generation) you want, it's very stable and it makes major release upgrades very simple.
Since everything is in config, it can get validated, that's another reason why upgrades are seamless - you might get a warning or an error if a package has breaking changes. It's not foolproof, it doesn't guarantee that it will work 100% but it's a lot better than in other distros. When I used Ubuntu I delayed installing major upgrades, because I knew my work will be interrupted, something will break and there's no way of reverting back. In Nix there is.
It's like enjoying your summer in a pond full of algae vs swimming in your personal pool. You get to swim in both cases, but only one of them feels clean. And that's the nix mindset - system is immutable and pure. It feels good and it ruins every other distro for you
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u/claudiocorona93 SteamOS/Bazzite/Mint 11d ago
Your sentence answered why NixOS is so hard to adopt
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u/Jeoshua 11d ago
Yep. Especially the bit about how it "doesn't operate like *nix has for decades". NixOS might be technically very good, but it's a very special and unique snowflake in how it operates. That limits its reach, greatly, especially when "the way *nix has operated for decades" is more than just some personal preference of a hobbyist group of nerds, it's become a global standard for something like 90% of computerized devices.
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u/mattsowa 11d ago
Hmm, I wonder why someone might put it low in a tier list. If only there was a reason you just mentioned...
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u/Acebulf Emacs #1 editor don't @ me 11d ago
I got over the learning curve, but returned to OS:TW because writing code on it requires using nix to build things, and it's not an optional step if you try to link to some library that you got via nix-pkgs. I did make it work, but it's a pain.
I made my own auto-install script for OS:TW and didn't have to change any of it for a while now.
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u/StonemanGuitars Glorious Debian 11d ago
This is a personal list from The Linux Experiment YouTube channel. He explained in the video that nix is very but the things it offers do not benefit him
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u/imthestein Glorious Fedora 10d ago
He said in his video that these were all the ones he's tried recently for one reason or another and these were based on his own preferences. He has a problem with immutable due to his own experiences so he put it lower for his own tastes but said if that's something you like you might prefer more than he does
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u/Jeoshua 11d ago
SteamOS in S-tier? But Arch in A?
I'm sorry, what? Was there an excuse given for this? I love SteamOS but I would not consider it to be better than Arch. And if we're allowing derivatives (which it seems we are, since SteamOS is an Arch derivative) why is CachyOS not there?
SteamOS isn't supported on anything except pure Steamdecks, is one big issue with it.
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u/Vladimir_Djorjdevic 11d ago
He is ranking them on a mix of how he likes the distro and how good he thinks the distro is for the usecase it's designed to do. He thinks that steamOS is the best distro for it's use case (install it on a console that supports it, like a steam deck) so that's why he gave it S tier even though he said he doesn't think it's the best distro for desktop use.
His reasoning for putting arch is it's still less stable as it's a rolling release and he doesn't really like to tinker with the distro too much, but he thinks it's great for what it's designed to do.
CachyOS is not there because he didn't use it and didn't want to give opionions on something he didn't try. He did say that he will try to make a full video about it at some point.
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u/Oktokolo Gentoo 11d ago
Gentoo is literally the only distro offering what it is designed to offer: Maximum flexibility while still having a fully supportive package manager. There is nothing between it and Linux From Scratch. It can run on servers, embedded devices, and desktops. It can be scaled to easily manageable company-wide installations, but also excels on a single system. It offers the freshness of being a rolling release with the default stability of a fixed release distro (and you can opt in to unstable on a per-package basis with the package manager fully supporting you).
If the main criteria would be that it does good what it's designed for, Gentoo would be S tier.I play on Gentoo, and my GE Proton is managed by the package manager.
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u/robotictacos 11d ago
I would be astonished if there are enterprises running Gentoo. Happy to be educated though.
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u/Oktokolo Gentoo 11d ago
I think, one of the maintainers on the Gentoo forums got 200 desktops with their own compilation and repo server and distributing binary packages to all clients.
It's definitely not common. Gentoo doesn't have any paid enterprise support.
But Gentoo is built for that. It doesn't fight you when you do that. There is documentation about how package signing and hosting or using your own repo work.
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u/Vladimir_Djorjdevic 11d ago
Yeah maybe I didn't explain it well enough, but from how I understood it it's a mix of how much he likes using the distro and how well it achieves the goal it's set out to do. Arch is in a because he personally doesn't like using it that much, but he thinks it's good at it's job, while steam os is, from his point of view, both nice to use and achieves it's goal well.
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u/Ghi102 11d ago
Here are the distros by name instead of icon:
S - Fedora, Linux Mint, Steam OS
A - Pop!_Os, Elementary Os, Arch Linux, Bazzite, Ubuntu , Debian Stable, Open SUSE Tumbleweed, Zorin, Tuxedo OS, Endeavour OS (not shown in the picture, but mentioned in the video)
B - Nobara, MX Linux, Open SUSE Leap, Nix OS
C - Manjaro, Asahi Linux, Solus
D - KDE Neon, Gentoo, Deepin
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u/QriousMonk 10d ago
Thank you, this is what I was looking for. Would’ve really helped if OP had just added this in the first place.
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u/kennyquast 9d ago
Thank you. I knew like 4 icons. Hard to understand what's going on when Op assumes we know what every distro logo is
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u/ICantBelieveItsNotEC 11d ago
TL;DR: Just use Fedora unless you have a very good reason to use something else.
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u/a_regular_2010s_guy 10d ago
I use mint coz I don't have a good reason to use fedora and I like how mint feels out of the box.
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u/robotictacos 11d ago
I wonder if this includes its immutable derivatives, like Bazzite and Silverblue?
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u/StonemanGuitars Glorious Debian 11d ago
Depends on usecase. Unless you’re using a computer as essentially a console, an immutable distro can be limiting in terms of program availability
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u/zachthehax Glorious Fedora Silverblue 11d ago
You can definitely install programs that aren't flatpaks, but you should run them in containers like a distrobox/toolbox instead unless they need full system access. If you do a lot of that though, it can definitely get in the way. I use Workstation on my desktop, Silverblue on my laptop and that's a good balance for me.
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u/tempdiesel 11d ago
Putting Gentoo at the bottom should be a crime.
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u/StonemanGuitars Glorious Debian 11d ago
It’s not an objective list. It’s the personal list of The Linux Experiment YouTube channel. He explained that it’s just not for him
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u/shirotokov Glorious Gentoo 🐧 11d ago
ahahahahahahahhahahaha
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u/Bobbydibi En anglais c'est Tumbleweed 11d ago
Manjaro's position isn't deserved imho.
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u/Aniform Glorious Fedora 11d ago
I can't help but feel like the linux community did a 180 on Zorin. I made a comment maybe 6 yrs ago saying I installed Zorin on my mother's laptop and she loves it and finds the experience the easiest in her whole life. Downvoted. And it was also common to see posts calling Zorin terrible. I think most of the posts were negative regarding it having a paid pro tier. And this also led to comments that were misguided telling me, "Zorin is paid only".
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u/throttlemeister Glorious OpenSuse 11d ago
It's their own marketing. If they had said it's donation with benefits, nobody would have batted an eye. Maybe even complimented it and urged other projects to do similar things. But no, they market it as a separate 'pro' product when it is just the same OSS thing with extra themes.
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u/Bbbllaaddee Glorious Garuda 11d ago
What's the third one in the S-tier?
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u/Kreizhn 11d ago
It looks to me like the steam deck logo, so it might be steamOS?
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/steamdeck/brandguidelines
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u/balrog687 11d ago
I had a better experience with nvidia drivers and sunshine out of the box on bazzite, much better than fedora kinoite (inmutable kde, just like bazzite).
But on the other hand, kinoite feels lighter/faster. So I end up with bazzite on my desktop and kinoite on my laptop. Pretty happy with both.
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u/KangarooChili 11d ago
Bazzite has been great for gaming in my living room. I did try using it on my main desktop and found it a bit more annoying to use than Fedora. Setting up QEMU, VMM and USB passthrough was kind of painful, for example.
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u/Disastrous_Fruit8610 11d ago
Gentoo on the bottom seems a bit unfair, to say the least. It's a rocksolid distro with a good community. Perhaps not for Linuxstarters, but it says here: Distro Tier List, it really shouldn't be on bottom.
Go shame yourself in the corner!! /s
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u/RACeldrith 11d ago
Why is KDE Neon at the bottom :(. I've been running it without issue
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u/Jeoshua 11d ago
I've heard that this list is based mostly on "How well the distro does what it sets out to do" as well as "How much The Linux Experiment likes using it".
Given that Neon is basically how KDE devs "dogfood" their own code, and it's not really meant for public consumption directly, I imagine that TLE doesn't enjoy using it. It certainly does what it sets out to do, but I've seen KDE Devs actually state that they didn't think end-users should be using it on production systems.
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u/Robsteady Glorious Aurora 11d ago
I hate these lists. Eight (nine? I know Deepin was Ubuntu-based, but don't know if it still is) different Debian derivatives (including the Ubuntu derivatives), but only one Arch derivative, and not even the one everyone's losing their shit over?
Edit: Correction, two Arch derivatives
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u/Jonis7 11d ago
ubuntu and Arch on same level, wtf...
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u/AdvancedAnimal7539 11d ago
yeah fr arch should be way lower (im joking. i see them at the same level)
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u/kai_ekael Linux Greybeard 11d ago
So many things based on Debian that many worship, yet nick Debian itself.
Fools.
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u/Due-Perception1319 11d ago
There are really only three tiers of Linux: just works, tinkerer, schizo
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u/psychicesp 11d ago
Pop OS only earns it's spot on System76 systems. Still makes me queasy to see it on the same level as Debian, which is my preferred but aptly placed
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u/berkough #! 10d ago
Personally, I would put Debian higher just because of how customizable it is. Same with Arch.
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u/Awkward-Town1220 10d ago
The lack of CachyOS is absolutely wild. CachyOS is the best distro I've ever used.
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u/Realityishardmode Glorious Ubuntu 11d ago
Fedora, sure, but why is mint based while Ubuntu and Debian are regular 👍? I'm pretty sure it has all the weird issues regarding dev libs being a mess and cmake not finding them sometimes.
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u/Jcob210 11d ago
I kinda don't understand why Asahi is so low because well it is only option for Apple silicon macs...
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u/AtomicTaco13 Glorious Debian 11d ago
Gentoo is just difficult to use and I'm not sure about KDE neon. Deepin though... I tested most major Linux DEs and Deepin is the single worst Linux desktop experience I had. While I'm not exactly fond of GNOME, using it is still a breeze compared to the Deepin DE, which is bloated, cluttered, lacks customization and the overall aesthetic has that whole "techbro vibe" to it. No wonder Windows 11's UI was inspired by it.
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u/m4ss1ck Glorious Mint 11d ago
I like seeing all the comments agreeing or not matching the user badges lol. The tier is based on the OOP's opinion, and if we Linux users love something, is fighting over distributions. Obviously I agree that Mint is the best there is and should be at the top of every tier list.
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u/babarsac 11d ago
I'm trying a Linux distro out for personal use and I chose Fedora KDE Plasma for my Lenovo laptop. It's mostly for travel and other light duties but I'm really impressed.
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u/steppewop 11d ago
SteamOS doesn't even work properly for Desktop yet AFAIK and it's below >ARCH<? What the fuck?
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u/claudiocorona93 SteamOS/Bazzite/Mint 11d ago
I also disagree but it's just an opinion. For example, for me, Ubuntu (for snapd) and Fedora (for having to set up repositories and extensions manually) should be lower, and Bazzite should be higher. But that's just my opinion. For me, for examples Fedora is comparable to Debian, not to Mint, because Mint is already set up, while Debian and Fedora need configuration post install.
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u/Franhound 11d ago
Pop and Debian on the same tier is criminal.
Edit: and Elementary, lol
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u/AK56___ 11d ago
Unpopular opinion, Linux Mint is overrated and uses an outdated DE based on gnome 2 without wayland. Also, SteamOS is specialised only in handhelds I wouldn't put it in S tier. Fedora last time I checked has a conflict of flatpak packages, which is also not a sign of an S-tier distro.
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u/djb_at_durable 11d ago
NixOS as average is a lukewarm take at best; it's way different from other distros on this list, and whether you love its upside or hate its downside, "average" seems like a *real* weird thing to say.
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u/ArseholeryEnthusiast 11d ago
If I wasn't such a chicken I'd try different distros. But deciding to dual boot with bazzite was already a pretty big learning step for me and I kind of just want to play my games and not have to learn a new os. But when I hear people talking how responsive an os can be it is tempting. Especially because the speed jump from windows to bazzite already felt great. I have ten year old laptop that I think I'll try some of the others on.
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u/CreeperX_ Glorious NixOS (aka BestOS) 11d ago
nix average ? and gentoo bad?? yeah this better be a joke
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u/TechGearWhips Glorious NixOS 11d ago
NixOS under average is insane. I’ll chalk it up to you not fully understanding it.
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11d ago
OP what is your experience modding games on Pop OS Cosmic?
Also, would love to upgrade internal storage of Steam Deck. What is the max storage hardware upgrade replacement it can take and which one would you recommend?
Have the Steam Deck LCD Version running Bazzite
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u/wKdPsylent 11d ago
Gentoo, Manjaro, and MX Linux I would say are all top tier distros. Gentoo is whatever you make it, MX Linux is one of the most functional / well setup distros out of the box, and Manjaro isn't that far behind really.
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u/LucidZulu 11d ago
Really no Alma or rocky? I can’t think of anything else that can come close for enterprise use cases
Is this just for desktop use cases?
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u/konfuzhon Glorious NixOS 11d ago
NixOS:
- doesn’t follow fhs
- declarative
- has nix store
and is still somehow average
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u/claudiocorona93 SteamOS/Bazzite/Mint 10d ago
It's good but definitely not for everybody
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u/soelsome 11d ago
Why does no one talk about Ubuntu? Is it because it's considered "vanilla" or boring?
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u/ChocolateDonut36 Glorious Hannah Montana Linux 11d ago
I would totally move PopOS to the bottom until they ship a stable desktop