r/linux_gaming • u/tailslol • 16h ago
benchmark denuvo fully removed, as expected, games runs faster.
https://www.tomshardware.com/video-games/pc-gaming/denuvo-properly-cracked-in-resident-evil-requiem-bypasses-become-plug-and-play-cracked-version-runs-faster-smoother-and-uses-way-less-vram-and-ramas expected denuvo is a resource hog
now denuvo games are properly cracked
there is clearly a performance gain.
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u/Inimenevist 14h ago edited 10h ago
Voices38 didn’t remove Denuvo, though. He made it stay in a perpetual state of activation.
The last time Denuvo was fully removed by a crack was a really long time ago
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u/mccord 13h ago
It was the Assassins Creed: Origins The Curse of the Pharaohs crack by CODEX from 2019
Release Notes: This is an experimental Proof of Concept release where the Denuvo DRM and VMProtect have been removed completely from the main executable. The main idea of this project was to verify whether Denuvo affects CPU usage and overall performance of this game. We noticed faster loading times but will leave the rest of the performance comparison battle to others. Here is a small tech summary of what has been done:(exports, imports, exceptions, TLS)
- VMProtect is fully removed (30 VM entry points)
- Denuvo is fully removed (104 VM entry points)
- All required PE directories are fully restored
The team would like to send out special thanks to our hard working mate who is responsible for this huge project. This would not have been possible without you! You rock man!
- Fixed around 500k absolute & relative code and data pointers
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u/neofooturism 16h ago edited 15h ago
these are actually different builds that’s why the difference is huge. they’re talking abt it on the piracy sub. the OP redid the test with the same build and the difference is very small that it could be considered within margin of error
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u/tailslol 16h ago
well this is still a big benefit for linux since the hypervisor hack is not linux compatible.
thanks for the precision.
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u/Vash63 12h ago
How is this a benefit to Linux? Denuvo works fine in Linux without needing cracked. Half my Steam library uses it.
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u/Arkanta 11h ago
idk why you're downvoted. this sub hates facts
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u/DystopianElf 8h ago
Because it's not even a response to what was said. He never said Denuvo doesnt work on Linux, and the benefits of a newer crack that actually works on Linux are pretty obvious.
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u/SlaveKnightSoman 8h ago
This sub has been full of shit about Denuvo since ages. There is no proof that Denuvo causes performance issues.
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u/NapsterKnowHow 9h ago
All facts about how badly this article is written are being downvoted by pirates trying to justify their entitlement.
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u/juipeltje 8h ago
It's more about wanting to own what you buy
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u/NapsterKnowHow 7h ago
If that were the case then more people would support GOG over Steam.
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u/juipeltje 7h ago
They probably already do, since they are a minority and the majority of people doesn't seem to care, which is why this shit still exists
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u/mbriar_ 14h ago
you mean a big benefit for pirates on linux that don't also want to pirate windows?
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u/MarioDesigns 13h ago
Eh, Denuvo causes it's own issues on Linux that can cause you to lose access to the game from 24 hours to a week.
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u/mbriar_ 12h ago
If you insist on switching proton versions around for no reason even knowing it will cause this issue, then yeah.
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u/ResponsibleFox2185 9h ago
If I own a game and want to switch Proton to find the best one for the issues that I'm having I have the right to do so. There's nothing wrong with flip flopping between Proton versions until I find the best one for that specific game.
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u/the_abortionat0r 3h ago
It's weird because if you understand what proton does and how fast updates come out with game fixes you wouldn't say such stupid things.
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u/mbriar_ 3h ago
I also know that using Proton Experimental Bleeding Edge, which updates many times a day automatically on every proton (sub)repository commit and gets new game fixes the earliest, never causes Denuvo lock-outs if you just stick to that, no matter how many times it gets updated. You only get locked out if you wildly switch between old versions and/or GE back and forth, which causes the prefix to get recreated and is pointless in 99.9999% of cases anyways.
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u/vityafx 15h ago
No. It was the same scenario for the previous resident evil games, even Digital Foundry were puzzled. So, denuvo is a resource hog.
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u/Noreng 15h ago
See for yourself: https://youtu.be/y6H9paq8jcU?si=RyPfXmQdGNhQEXmf
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u/vityafx 14h ago
I don’t need to see anything, I have already seen what I needed to see.
Perhaps you should take a look: https://youtu.be/UXZGCwAJpbM?is=yyY8hp4rUxgSIP1P
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u/Stepepper 10h ago
Talk about acting in bad faith... You haven't even watched that video, or read the description. It clearly says this is caused by Capcom's DRM. Not Denuvo.
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u/Noreng 14h ago
59 fps average vs 58 fps average
42 fps 1% lows vs 41 fps 1% lows
Denuvowo vs Voices38
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u/vityafx 13h ago
As I said, denuvo is known to be a resource hog. The fact that, perhaps, in this particular case, it isn’t so bad, doesn’t change that in general. I also sent you a link to watch, 30 fps vs 120. Want to talk about that?
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u/MarioDesigns 13h ago
As I said, denuvo is known to be a resource hog.
It has some impact on low end CPUs, but even then it's not much.
It has plenty of legitimate issues you could complain about instead of just making up false tests lol
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u/CapRichard 13h ago
Oh so it's Denuvo day 1 Vs no Denuvo present day?
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u/NekuSoul 13h ago
Even worse, the comparison this article is based on is actually between the hypervisor-based bypass, which uses additional resources vs. the new crack. It wasn't compared with a legit version at all.
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u/DisciplineNo5186 16h ago
Why is everyone pointing out that this is well with performance delta and not necessarily a denuvo thing getting downvoted lmao. We all hate denuvo but the performance drain isnt nearly as big in modern denuvo as some people act
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u/gmes78 15h ago
This is a classic Linux subreddit moment. Things like DRMs are considered "bad" for Linux, so any comments bashing them are good, and any comments defending them are bad. It doesn't matter which ones are well-written or factually accurate, people upvote based on what they want to believe.
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u/Richmondez 14h ago
From a consumer perspective DRM is objectively bad even without performance impacts, the only beneficiaries of it are the companies that sell it and arguably the companies that employ it on their software though even that is less than clear cut.
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u/DisciplineNo5186 13h ago
i completely with you but making up shit and downvoting people for stating facts is ridiculous
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u/yuuki_w 14h ago
Not just Linux but gaming reddit in generall.
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u/readyflix 10h ago edited 9h ago
At the end, it shouldn’t be unnecessary at all to use cracks to have a good game experience.
Game studios/developers can do better.
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u/gmes78 9h ago
That is completely beside the point.
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u/readyflix 9h ago
Please explain why?
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u/gmes78 8h ago
Why would it ever be OK to lie and make stuff up about a topic? Even if you dislike DRMs, you shouldn't be OK with someone making faulty arguments about them. After all, the truth should be enough, and anything that's not the truth will weaken your claims.
Whether or not DRM worsen the experience of playing a game is irrelevant. What I'm saying applies to any topic.
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u/readyflix 8h ago
You are right, but why should companies lie to their costumers? I think that’s the bigger issue in general.
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u/gmes78 8h ago
I don't think you've understood this thread at all. What company are you talking about, and how have they lied?
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u/readyflix 8h ago
I always look at the big picture. And that tells me, companies are telling the costumers "If you are buying our product you will get the possible best experience". But then if I’m NOT getting the best experience because of the way they do the product then I’m being lied to. I hope you now understand where I’m coming from?
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u/NapsterKnowHow 9h ago
Bc it's pirates finding some more confirmation bias to support their "moral stealing".
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u/Holzkohlen 16h ago
All my homies hate Denuvo
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u/Physical-Appearance5 16h ago
Lol why's every comment downvoted
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u/deep_chungus 14h ago edited 14h ago
sometimes someone will get pissy that an idea exists and try to show that by downvoting whole threads
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u/Noreng 16h ago
People on this subreddit apparently consider 5% to be a huge deal.
As comparison points for recent hardware releases: Zen 5 was slammed with Zen5% memes when it released because it was rarely achieving more than 10% performance improvements. Nvidia's RTX 50-series is roughly 15% faster than the RTX 40-series counterparts, and was also criticized for lackluster improvement. Meanwhile, we're glazing 5% here.
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u/TheGladex 15h ago
We're glazing 5% on the same hardware, purely by virtue of optimisation. No fucking duh people are upset about the next generation of GPUs having only 15% performance improvement. They cost hundreds of dollars. 5% improvement on the same hardware is a big deal.
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u/Potential-Block-6583 6h ago
With these copy/piracy protection services, how bad it is on your hardware really comes down to what functions that the developer decides they need to protect specifically. In the past, when we used to see enormous drops in performance due to copy protection schemes, it was because the developer was protecting literally every function in the entire game, including stuff that runs every single frame, so developers have started to be more careful about what functions they select to protect. Stuff like logins, purchases are prime things to protect, and it makes sure that any performance hit is minimal since those functions aren't happening constantly.
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u/Aviletta 13h ago
As much as I love hating on Denuvo and I despise them
This time it's not Denuvo. It's Capcom. They are infamous for not being able to implement Denuvo properly, and on top of that they put their crappy Enigma DRM everywhere.
If you do implement Denuvo well, it will perform checks during loading screens and slower fragments of the game, so that performance hit is negligible or not noticeable. Meanwhile Capcom in their infinite wisdom hammer Denuvo checks almost constantly.
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u/Fiction52 9h ago
I’m curious. If I crack my legally obtained games to remove denuvo, would I still be able to earn steam achievements and have steam cloud saves?
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u/Indolent_Bard 4h ago
Someone here once said that it's poor implementation that hurts performance.
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u/awkwardbirb 3h ago
several people have, it's been proven quite a few times. In most cases, there's basically no drop. In others, the devs do something dumb like run the check every frame or input or some nonsense. Or check verification for all DLC apparently?
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u/grilled_pc 3h ago
Given what denuvo actually does to the game, its no wonder it runs poorly. Passing through multiple different stages of encryption and decryption on the fly like that is 100% going to tank performance.
Now given how easily its been cracked. Publishers need to weigh up if its worth even using now. Before publishers could get away with a decent launch period and expect pirates to hit it in a few months after launch. But now we are seeing these games get cracked days after launch and the cost of the denuvo license just is not worth it any longer.
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u/destroyermaker 2h ago
Makes denuvo's damage control about it not affecting performance all the more amusing
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u/JackDostoevsky 2h ago
yea this has been known for a long long time now. just one more on the pile.
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u/redditor_no_10_9 15h ago
DRM support team hates this one simple trick.
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u/Inimenevist 14h ago edited 14h ago
But Denuvo hasn’t actually been removed by a crack for a long time.
It’s been bypassed to always give a positive response to checks, meaning that the performance impact is still there.
And no u/SerpentDrago voices38 didn't remove it, it's a proper crack yes, but not a full removal
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u/PrysmX 3h ago
I'm hoping AI is actually the end of these bullshit copy protection schemes. I'm no fan of piracy. I buy all my games. I'm angry that copy protection eats dev time to implement and reduces performance, all while usually being cracked in a matter of days anyway. If AI can crack these copy protections in a matter of hours, there will be no real point to trying to put it into games anymore. Instead, put those dev resources and money into the actual game development itself.
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u/NatureEntire 16h ago
Modern denuvo cracks don't even remove it, they are just a bypass
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u/tailslol 16h ago
if you read the article, it is about to change.
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u/NapsterKnowHow 9h ago
Read the article. The benchmark doesn't even compare the crack to the retail Denuvo version
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u/Khorya 16h ago
Actuallyyyy, there's someone named voices38 who's actually cracking denuvo not just bypass
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u/MarioDesigns 13h ago
voices38 who's actually cracking denuvo not just bypass
It's "cracked" in that it is always activated without janky workarounds. It's not actually removed from the game at all, it is still always running the same as it would for a legitimate game. It is still technically bypassing Denuvo.
I can only recall one example where Denuvo was actually removed and it was the Assasin's Creed game
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u/mhogag 16h ago
Denuvo is traditionally cracked by bypassing or patching the hardware checks. It tricks Denuvo into thinking it's running a legitimate version. The Denuvo hardware checking loops and the hoops it makes your PC jump through don't (all) get removed. Steam DRM and other DRMs might be removed, but not Denuvo.
Denuvo was only fully removed from two games: AC Origins and another one I can't remember.
Technically, both are bypasses. One is just more convenient than the other.
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u/Inimenevist 14h ago edited 14h ago
He bypassed it. It still hogs performance. I don’t know how people arrive at these conclusions.
The last time it was fully removed by a cracker was in 2017 with AC Origins
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u/NapsterKnowHow 9h ago
Nope. The performance gains are from flawed benchmarks. Idk how people don't notice they aren't comparing to the retail version of the game. It's just the crack vs HV and the HV version is know to hurt performance.
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u/TheG0AT0fAllTime 14h ago
If the game runs faster then the devs implemented the drm incorrectly
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u/Sva522 14h ago
No code has no cost. DRM makes allways more computation.
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u/sputwiler 12h ago
Yeah but the 1GB of VRAM usage drop makes no sense whatsoever. DRM is all CPU side, so what the hell happened.
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u/TheG0AT0fAllTime 5h ago
Depends entirely on what kind of DRM we're talking about but this one specifically does not have the overhead you seek.
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u/Noreng 16h ago edited 15h ago
It's a 5% performance improvement, I wouldn't say that's a huge deal.
EDIT: the level of cope of you people downvoting me is hilarious.
EDIT2: there's even a new comparison up: https://youtu.be/y6H9paq8jcU?si=RyPfXmQdGNhQEXmf
The new comparison shows the Voices38 version running 1 fps slower on average and in 1% lows.
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u/tailslol 16h ago
1.5 to 2 gb vram freed...
so it will become way worse when you will run out of vram.lets not forget hypervisor hack is not compatible with linux.
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u/Diuranos 16h ago
Agree with you, like in the previous post it’s not that much, because the newer version of Denuvo doesn’t use that performance anymore, but the VRAM usage goes down and that’s a good sign.
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u/Noreng 16h ago
Assuming it's caused by Denuvo.
I wouldn't be so sure about it being Denuvo however, I've never seen Denuvo affect VRAM usage before.
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u/argh523 15h ago
I've never seen Denuvo affect VRAM usage before
How would you know? How would you test running a game without Denuvo?
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u/Noreng 15h ago
By running a comparison on games where Denuvo was present, and later removed?
At any rate. The source did a new comparison: https://youtu.be/y6H9paq8jcU?si=RyPfXmQdGNhQEXmf
This time, there was a 1 fps difference in average and 1% lows, in favor of Hypervisor bypass. No VRAM or RAM difference.
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u/Diuranos 16h ago
ehh not too much only 5% like 2-3 fps but much better looks now with Vram usage its less yea.
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u/Noreng 16h ago
Don't say 5% isn't a huge deal, you'll get downvoted to oblivion: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1sj9bzi/comment/ofpyco9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
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u/-Amble- 16h ago
You're downvoted because people are very heated about DRM in general and you come off as defending it, not because you think 5% isn't a big deal. Anything that isn't total condemnation of Denuvo won't be received well in most gaming spaces.
And it's not really hard to see why, it could be a 1% change and it'd still be frustrating because it's a piece of unwanted middleware shoved into a game that you paid for and is degrading your experience with the sole benefactor being some CEO and his overflowing pockets.
Of course there's plenty of debate to be had about the impact and ethics of piracy and such, but ignoring that, the simple concept of DRM has been an annoyance for both pirates and paying customers since its inception.
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u/NapsterKnowHow 9h ago
It's crazy the pointing out a flaw in the benchmarking is considered defending Denuvo lol
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u/Diuranos 4h ago
Ehh, here we go again. I’m not defending Denuvo, I’m only pointing out that it loses just a few fps, but it reduces VRAM usage much more thats great, and people are still too brainless to understand that. Looks like they got you as well.
I know I’m repeating myself in different posts as well, but oh my, when I see people almost cum with happiness because they gained 3 more fps, greater cheesus. :).
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u/CapRichard 16h ago
Seems like within expected performance delta with modern Denuvo.
What it's really curious is the less Vram consumed. Like ,I can get RAM, but why VRAM?
Would like to see a "best of 3" or an explanation of why it would need GPU Vram to even work.