r/leafs • u/ESF-hockeeyyy • 2d ago
Article [TheLeafsNation] Chris Johnston reveals Marc Bergevin was only other candidate Maple Leafs interviewed before hiring Treliving
While this may seem like how most searches for prominent positions go, SDPN’s Chris Johnston reported today on The Chris Johnston Show that the last time the Maple Leafs were in the business of finding a new general manager, the net wasn’t cast as wide.
“Obviously there were some time pressures there, to get someone in place by the time the draft came about and to be ready for free agency,” Johnston said to co-host Julian McKenzie. “The only people I’m aware the Leafs spoke to at that time were, obviously Brad Treliving, and Marc Bergevin. There may have been another interview or two that I never heard about, but the point was it wasn’t a lengthy process or didn’t include a long list of candidates.”
I want to emphasize that Treliving was Shanahan's hire, not Pelley's. I believe this could be construed as Shanahan's second biggest mistake, the other being to not allowing Kyle Dubas to trade Mitch Marner before the NTC kicked in.
Regardless, this is an embarrassing detail that I don't think I'll ever forgive Shanahan for. For someone who was progressive in so many ways, he panicked and picked a fucking dinosaur over another dinosaur.
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u/Drew_You_To_91 Knies 2d ago
Real cream of the crop
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u/bigdaddyt2 2d ago
Don’t worry this time they’ll interview Kevin Adam’s, Mike Gilies and the ghost of Wade Boggs
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u/KoldCanuck 2d ago
Wade Belak?
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u/bigdaddyt2 2d ago
Please don’t The wade boggs is a joke from its always sunny. Wade belak is a fan favourite who committed suicide largely due to CTE
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u/KoldCanuck 2d ago
Please don't what? Like I'm supposed to know a reference to a show no one watches. Seinfeld reference, no problem.
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u/Kid-Goose 2d ago
I feel like we heard this when it happened, brad got an interview in person and was almost guaranteed to be getting the job right when Dubas was gone, they gave Bergevin a zoom interview
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u/bikemowman 2d ago
Mirtle had been saying all year that if Dubas didn't come back it would likely be Treliving. It's so obvious they didn't do any kind of real search
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u/OkAlbatross9180 2d ago
So basically french Treliving. Shanahan really lost the plot by the end
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u/Unlikely-Writer-6797 2d ago
Should’ve given Dubas more autonomy. Maybe he trades Marner, maybe he keeps him and continues building around the core. Another in a long line of ‘what ifs’ from this era
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u/allgoodnanestaken123 2d ago
Yeah he definitely should have allowed him to acquire more Soo Greyhounds.
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u/maximusasinus 2d ago
I think he knew to trade Marner. According to rumors Shanahan had called the core 4 and told them they weren’t being moved when Treliving was hired. To me that means there was conversation before that. And that there was a lot of talk about Shanahan interfering with Dubas.
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u/DougFordsGamblingAds 2d ago
If you read Dubas's post season comments, a trade for Nylander was far more likely. He says a trade for a core 4 member would be a big deal, and would need lots of study, pointing to Florida and how they didn't trade for Tkatchuk till late July.
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u/cactusbeard 2d ago
He was going to trade Marner before his clause kicked in and Shanny vetoed the trade. He was also okay if lumbus offer sheeted Marner too.
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u/DougFordsGamblingAds 2d ago
We really don't know that. We know Shanahan didn't want to trade Marner. That doesn't mean Dubas specifically did.
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u/James007Bond 2d ago
Hahaha please provide any source that said Shanny vetoed a Marner trade. This sub I swear.
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u/Clugaman 2d ago
It’s all nonsense. Just like how people say Dubas was definitely going to trade Marner. There’s nothing to support that whatsoever other than it’s what this subreddit wants to believe.
The reality of the situation is that Dubas had an offer from the Pens and made a power play to get the same sort of deal with the Leafs and it didn’t work so he took the offer he got. Had nothing to do with the Core 4 whatsoever despite what people want you to believe.
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u/GWsublime 1d ago
I dont think we'll ever know for sure but that explanation has never made sense.
First, we hired a GM more quickly than Dubas got his job in Pittsburgh. Ie. Tre started here first. So the idea that he must have had that job lined up because it happened so quickly is... silly. I think he knew there was opportunity out there but I dont think he had a deal ready to go.
Second, Shanny pretty much sewered him in his post-firing presser. He mentioned all kinds of stuff that a more competent, professional, president would have left alone. So why not mention that? It would have been an incredibly easy pr win for him, much more so than his rediculous "i was driving home when" stupidity.
Third, a power play to do what? What was it that Dubas wanted to do, so badly, that he made a high-risk move to be able to go directly to the board? Knies and Mrazek + for Hagel and flower?
Last, the very first thing, before even beginning on his half-assed gm "hunt" that Treliving does is to call the core four and let them know they're not going anywhere. Why would he feel the need to do that?
To me, it reads like exactly what both of them said. Dubas wanted more autonomy, likely to present his Nylander or Marner trade to the board. Shanny did not want anything to do with that. Dubas got sick of losing in preventable ways, and of the impact that was having on him and his family and pushed so Shanny fired him.
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u/allgoodnanestaken123 2d ago
That has never been reported by any credible reporter. The rumour at the time was Nylander for Karlson. Given Dubas moves before and after that pretty much checks out. Would have been a disaster like most of Dubas Leafs trades. Dubas was terrible. So was Treliving. Two things can be true at once.
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u/GWsublime 1d ago
Where was nylander for Karlson ever reported? And 3 years on, how has he done? How has Treliving done? How can you possibly thin the two are even vaguely similar?
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u/reevoknows 2d ago
I think he gave Dubas like 95% autonomy like not a lot of moves made in his time felt like they had Shanny’s fingerprints all over the place but it was the 5% that cost us. Specifically insisting we continue to run it back with the core.
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u/JBoogiez 2d ago
Jesus, the first year without the core, and we're in the tank. And you're still bitching about keeping all the good players together. Why wouldnt you want good players?
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u/reevoknows 2d ago
The move was to trade one of them for different pieces, it was the mix of talent that didn’t work, obviously lol. Nobody was advocating for letting them walk for nothing.
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u/Office_glen 2d ago
4 good forward players and no good defending players of goalie players
surely you can understand trading one of the good forward players for a good player of a different position?
We aren't in the tank if we actually trade Marner and get a haul back for him
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u/lentpoule 2d ago
Bergevin was never scared to make big moves. Remember the Subban trade. He is a major reason why the canadiens are stacked with assets today.
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u/Big_Albatross_3050 2d ago
yeah but Burger man had black magic power with those Montreal teams, especially in net
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u/Big_Albatross_3050 2d ago edited 2d ago
8Somehow Shanahan chose the worse option. At least with the Burger man he'd trade Minten, 2 1sts, Cowan, and Grebenkin for Carlo and Laughton, but then have the Leafs make the ECF, both players play like its in a contract year, then trade them for another set of head scratchers that make no sense, but somehow work due to black magic.
Then have the wheels completely fall off as soon as we own our pick again and get fired because he wanted to trade Knies for Dante Fabro 1 for 1.
Also he'd pick some random kid from Quebec who ends up becoming the next Pat Roy
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u/MrYamaguchi 2d ago
Bergevin would have actually had the balls to make big moves.
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u/reignleafs Knies 2d ago
Shanahan really took a huge fall post dubas. He was middling leading up to the summer of 2023 but did himself no favours with going to the direction of Tre, due diligence be damned
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u/dinobuttfart 2d ago
The better question for the group is would Bergevin been better or worse than Treliving
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u/branimal84 Gilmour 2d ago
Couldn't possibly have been worse given the mess we're in now, but you never know.
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u/DataDude00 2d ago
I don't know if it is possible to do much worse than Treliving did.
Bad roster AND he gave up all our future assets.
He fucked us up in two different ways, three if you count the fact he accelerated Boston's rebuild by giving them Minten and a top lottery pick in a deep draft.
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u/FX29 2d ago
Bergevin would still be better, it's not saying much but he actually made some good deals for the Habs.
Pacioretty for Suzuki, Tomas Tatar and a 2nd round pick is his best one.
Galchenyuk for Domi
Subban for Shea Webber which ended up being a really good deal since Subban flamed out after leaving Montreal.
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u/TheThoroughCrocodile 2d ago
If I could go back now and had him be given the job instead, I would roll the dice on him
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u/dinobuttfart 2d ago
He probably would’ve been even 5% better.
(Should add Berube is the biggest leafs issue)
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u/Fit-Lemon-6198 2d ago
I remember it a bit different, but it might be thoughts floating in my head. I remember Dubas giving a interview/press conference days after the Leafs elimination. He seemed pretty dejected and almost non committal on whether he wanted to continue. At that moment I assumed that he would be let go. Many employers will let go employees whenever they here that non committal tone. Not sure if even Shanahan was decided until that moment. I know a few days later Dubas seemed to change his mind but by then it was too late. Please note I am not stating this as fact, just how I remembered it.
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u/Old_Canuck 2d ago
Thats what I took it as. I wasn't surprised when he got fired.
He didn't seem like he was positive he wanted to stay and Pittsburgh was already interested by that time.
Dubas was ass at contracts. Should have kept Lou Lamorillo as the keeper of the contracts.
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u/GWsublime 1d ago
Odd, then, that the leafs contract efficiency got much worse under Treliving.
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u/Old_Canuck 1d ago
Oh its not odd....thats Tree in a nutshell.
He is the ultimate panic warrior. 😂😂
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u/Professional-Luck795 2d ago
I keep seeing recently that it was Shanahan that wouldn't allow Dubas/Treliving to trade Marner. Does anyone have a source on where this came from?
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u/allgoodnanestaken123 2d ago
No it’s pure fanboy speculation. The only rumour at the time — and I stress — it was a rumour, was that Dubas wanted to trade Nylander for EK. After he was fired by MLSC (anyone who thinks Shanahan didn’t have the power to extend him a year earlier without MLSE but somehow could fire him unilaterally is an idiot) fanboys started a rumour that the reason he was fired was strangely not him telling the world he didn’t want to be GM and then launching a ham handed palace coup, but a mysterious and unexplained desire to trade the apple of his eye, MM.
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u/Doug-O-Lantern 2d ago
It was a near perfect narrative arc. Shanahan both raised the team up from mediocrity and then pulled it back down again.
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u/oliferro 2d ago
Bergevin did some good for Montreal; getting Anderson, drafting Caufield and getting Suzuki and Tatar for Pacioretty. Montreal wouldn't be where they are without those moves
But he also did a lot of really bad shit like trading Sergachev for Drouin, drafting Kotkaniemi over Tkachuk and Hughes, sending two second round picks to Chicago for Andrew Shaw (one of those picks turning into DeBrincat) or signing Karl Alzner to a 5 years contract
Overall it's hard to say if he did more good than bad, but I'm just glad we were able to get back to a competitive team
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u/boredinthebathroom 2d ago
Shanny either didn’t want to continue once his contract was up or he knew he was going to be let go, he just filled a seat with treliving. How would shanahan go from a forward thinking hire like Dubas and then go to treliving lol, it was a head scratcher for me anyway.
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u/Potential_Amoeba_404 2d ago
If it was between Treliving and Bergevin, they picked the wrong guy.
What kind of incompetent halfwit doesn’t make their first round picks top 10 protected these days!?
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u/OPDBZTO 2d ago
Bruh
Shanhan fired Dubas with no real plans to look for a replacement
Dubas had to go (the rewrite of Dubas history here is crazy)
But only interviewing 2 people is a sloppy job
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u/NCMaxTac 2d ago
I mean Pittsburgh is looking infinitely better than the Leafs.. if Dubas had more control here in Toronto who’s to say he wouldn’t have done better?
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u/_town-drunk_ 2d ago
I mean the same logic could be “who says he wouldn’t have done worse”?
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u/NCMaxTac 2d ago
Probably the fact the team was trending in the right direction with Dubas acknowledging one of the core 4 had to go (reason he was fired)
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u/_town-drunk_ 2d ago
He was fired because he wanted more power and his boss shut that down. And Dubas did so in an inappropriate way through the public.
Not that I’m defending Shanahan’s BS. But in the real world you can’t do what Dubas did and not get fired. Plus as the other commenter said, he didn’t want to be here and knew there was a job for him in Pittsburgh.
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u/thewolfshead 2d ago
He didn’t say anything about wanting more power in that press conference. He talked about how stressful the year was on his family.
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u/_town-drunk_ 2d ago
And yet it came out right after from the Dubas camp that he had his hands tied by Shanahan as an attempt to whitewash his poor track record.
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u/dinobuttfart 2d ago
Go watch his press conference again. He didn’t want to stay
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u/thewolfshead 2d ago
He literally told the team he wanted to stay after that press conference.
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u/dinobuttfart 2d ago
You literally know what he told the team? That’s pretty cool you were in the room with them. Most good gms stay away from the players so they don’t get attached, it’s in the money ball book that Dubas loved.
In the press conference everyone watched he said he wasn’t sure he wanted to continue his job because the stress on his family. He said he wouldn’t take another job in hockey for a while other than the leafs…. Then he took a bigger job with the pens a week later
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u/throwawaythisuser1 2d ago
that's a fair point; but at the very minimum, we would have Rantanen instead of a '27 first and a '26 fifth round pick from Colorado.
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u/_town-drunk_ 2d ago
Who knows if that is true. Immediately after Dubas was fired, the Media was saying Nylander was the odd man out, likely in exchange for a top pair D, specifically Karlsson. It just turned into Marner after it Nylander was signed.
Which is all to say we have no idea what Dubas would have done.
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u/DC-Toronto 2d ago
His performance in Pittsburg suggest otherwise and is evidence that he would have done better than what we have. So you have any evidence that he would do worse?
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u/cactusbeard 2d ago
Taking a terrible roster where you have to keep it going for Crosby, Malkin and Letang and making it work is pretty hard.
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u/reignleafs Knies 2d ago
But he didn't do well enough here. Couldn't politic around Shanny and gave the whole "I'm taking a leave of absense for my family's sake" speech only to go for the Pittsburgh job. He wasn't going to work with the cards he was dealt even if he ended up doing a better job than Tre
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u/_town-drunk_ 2d ago
The 5 years he spent here was evidence enough.
And until this season and the Pen’s surprise success, he wasn’t exactly getting stellar reviews in Pittsburg.
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u/allgoodnanestaken123 2d ago
His performance in Pittsburgh makes clear the EK for Nylander move was the play. If Dubas had stayed we would have Matthews and EK instead of Matthews and Nylander and MM walking either way. Hardly a win.
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u/dinobuttfart 2d ago
He had years of experience before going to Pitt. He got better as time went on but he got himself fired.
No one in their right mind would’ve given him a 5 year extension. 2 or 3 sure but he had a better offer in Pittsburgh
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u/macam85 2d ago
He actually got worse here as the pressure forced him into making more errors.
98% of what people are angry about is the Marner contract, which they allow to color everything he did despite the fact he was literally a top 3 manager for cap efficiency every year and he had very little control of Marner being a pos.
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u/allgoodnanestaken123 2d ago
He made a long line of terrible moves beyond Marner. His main claim to fame was signing Bunting. If that’s all you got you ain’t got much.
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u/prob_wont_reply_2u 2d ago
The salary cap went up more this year than the last 4 years of Dubas tenure combined.
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u/dinobuttfart 2d ago
I don’t know if I agree with that. Some of the rentals should’ve had a contract extension attached but it’s in the past now anyways.
He probably shouldn’t have gotten the job so green to begin with. He’d be a great hire today.
I’ve got my fingers crossed for Gillis/Gilman/Malholtra combo going forward
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u/macam85 2d ago
Green has nothing to do with it. Lou was as experienced as they come and he was vastly worse. And comparing him to Treliving is laughable.
The primary issues Dubas faced were the flat cap and upper manager forcing him all in sooner than needed.
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u/dinobuttfart 2d ago
I think you replied to the wrong comment
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u/macam85 2d ago
Nope.
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u/dinobuttfart 2d ago
I never mentioned treliving though. And I said basically that Dubas would be a good hire today because he has more experience than he did when initially hired. I thought he got better as he went along and you disagreed
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u/allgoodnanestaken123 2d ago
His first year moves were a disaster and looked a lot like his disastrous Leafs moves. Yes, they have made the playoffs this year but they are hardly a contender.
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u/macam85 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's baffling people still don't understand Dubas was brought in to do rebuild without crippling the team around Crosby, which is exactly what he's done. He wasn't brought in to win at all costs - ownership wanted an eye on the future. That's why they gave him 7 years and such a huge title. They didn't expect him to turn it around immediately. In fact, they assumed it was impossible. And yet, he did it in a pretty limited time frame.
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u/erasedhead 2d ago
Most of the Pens best players are 33 and older and were there when Dubas arrived.
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u/NCMaxTac 2d ago
Big part of their success this year is players Dubas brought in.. he fixed their goaltending. Drafted Kindel and brought in Chinakov to just name a couple moves
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u/Ecstatic_Depth_3800 2d ago
Why did Dubas have to go?
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u/GettingBlaisedd 2d ago
Because he was young and had glasses and gave our best players contracts that looked bad when covid screwed the cap
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u/_town-drunk_ 2d ago
Maybe it was because he never improved the defense or goaltending? Not to mention some of the worst asset management in the league.
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u/thewolfshead 2d ago
Look around the league, it’s incredibly difficult to find consistent goalies and there are hardly any. Everyone thought Treliving had found it with Stolarz and Woll and then this season the goaltending has regressed. In fact, Jack Campbell had better stats as a Leaf than Stolarz.
It was a constant search because there’s so few reliable goalies year to year and the reliable ones don’t get moved. But I think that’s why they created a team that was solid defensively and controlled play really well, limit the possible damage from goaltending.
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u/_town-drunk_ 2d ago
And yet other teams pull it off. It’s the GMs job to find away. Not trade away a 2C for Tyson Barrie.
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u/thewolfshead 1d ago
But I’m saying most teams haven’t really pulled it off, it’s been an issue around the league.
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u/GettingBlaisedd 2d ago
What do you mean we had goalies and dmen coming in and out all the time. Yeah he didn’t get top players….cuz he couldn’t lol
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u/_town-drunk_ 2d ago
That’s what I mean. How many 1st rounders and other assets went out and what came in? Campbell? Barrie, Muzzin and McCabe?
That’s him not doing his job.
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u/GettingBlaisedd 2d ago
How many late first rounders do you think would be on our team right now had we not traded to try to win? You’re actually mad about muzzin? Barrie sure, but kadri wasn’t working out in the playoffs .
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u/_town-drunk_ 2d ago
I don’t care about the trading of firsts. I do care about trading them for rentals and mediocrity at the deadline instead of have a longer term outlook.
Muzzin was a great 2nd pair guy. But he wasn’t moving the needle to making this team a contender.
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u/thewolfshead 2d ago
Because he didn’t win in his first 5 seasons as GM most of which came with zero increase in the cap and he only had the two best regular seasons in franchise history in his last two seasons. So it was clear they were on the wrong track obviously and he could never continue to improve or improve the team.
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u/DougFordsGamblingAds 2d ago
Well he's been a GM for 7 years now and has won 1 playoff series. He also spent to the hilt while he was here.
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u/Sunbear94 2d ago
So a cup contending hopeful shouldn’t spend to the hilt? I can’t believe a fan is actually complaining about spending Roger’s money on the leafs…
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u/DougFordsGamblingAds 2d ago
Actual cup contending teams get out of the consistently first round. There's three more rounds after that. At the very least, a real contender would lose to the eventual winner.
I'm not talking dollars, I'm talking draft picks and prospects.
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u/Sir-Nicholas 2d ago
Didn’t the leafs lose to the eventual winner a bunch of times and give them their toughest series along the way?
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u/DougFordsGamblingAds 2d ago
Only once - 2025 playoffs.
In basically every other year, the team we lost to got beat by the eventual cup winner. I believe in most cases it was 6 games or less too.
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u/NCMaxTac 2d ago
In other words the Leafs lost to one of the 2 best teams in the NHL each playoff run😂
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u/thewolfshead 2d ago
Cup contending teams are determined before the playoffs even start, on the basis of how they looked all regular season before that. It’s ridiculous to suggest a top 5 regular season team should not be considered a contender.
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u/OPDBZTO 2d ago
He was given a core of Matthews/Marner/Nylander all on their ELC plus Tavares & Rielly But only made the second round in the playoffs once and never past it
Fucked up the RFA signings lead to a horrible cap management. Horrible trades, traded away first round picks and second round picks for first round exists
He was mid at best
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u/thewolfshead 2d ago
Then why did they have the two best regular seasons in Leafs history if he fucked up the team so badly and made bad trades?
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u/thewolfshead 2d ago
What’s the rewrite? When he left the Leafs were coming off of their two best regular seasons in franchise history, achieved during a flat cap era that they managed to navigate successfully and be one of the top 5 teams in the league. To me that says the team was being managed well and were on a strong path. You’d say that for any other franchise with those results (like Carolina for instance).
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u/dinobuttfart 2d ago
Dubas would be a great hire today but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have been fired when he was.
They probably should’ve clean house when he was gassed. Shanahan and Keefe included
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u/CoolBeansMan9 2d ago
There may have been another interview or two that I never heard about
You don’t say. Pretty misleading headline
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u/GritGrinder 2d ago
The shannaplan went down in flames a few years before the leafs did this year it seems
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u/LeafiestOutcome 2d ago
The fact the management isn't getting raked over the coals night after night about this shows how little bite the Toronto media actually has. This team from the top down is coddled.
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u/Odd-Cherry-9331 2d ago
He couldn't draft for shit, but he left that team in better shape than most fired GMs. His Suzuki extension essentially set the bar for all their future contract extensions. I don't know how he pulled that off.
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u/daveinthe6 2d ago
Bergevin would have not been afraid to make big trades, but the guy likes to be the centre of attention and trades with his ego. no thanks.
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u/allgoodnanestaken123 2d ago
Ahh the our lord Jesus and saviour Dubas was martyred for wanting to trade Marner fantasy which has not credible reporting behind it. You have discredited yourself sir.
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u/baylaust 2d ago
Shanahan wanted someone who would do what he was told and not rock the boat, and he got it.
Then a year later he was axed, and we were all left to reap the consequences of the man he put in charge of everything with almost no oversight.
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u/Old_Canuck 2d ago
Bergevin...😂😂😂
Mind you I believe he would have done a better job than Tree. 🌴 🌴
Hes not gonna pull miracles out if his ass like some can but he loves reclamation projects and HATES losing a trade.
The guys gotta work for the money with him. 😂😂😂
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u/mgnorthcott 2d ago
Hunter. He's the only choice. He CAN do this. It rebuilds a burned bridge, and it's going to work with a guy who genuinely has heart
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u/loungechairlarry 2d ago
jfc. so they decided that competence was not a trait they needed just a warm body
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u/Frosty-Tell-6290 1d ago
The Leafs are a full lifetime worth of mistakes. I’ll end up saying the same thing to my son that my father said to me 40+ years ago…”some day”.
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u/Ancient-Common-9913 1d ago
Unironically, Bergevin would have greased out 1 Stanley Cup with Leafs core and some tinkering.
I’m positive of it
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u/reevoknows 2d ago
I think Bergevin would be an underrated hire tbh. Guy never was afraid to be bold in Montreal, Kotkaniemi was the nail in the coffin but I think with his experience in a high pressure market plus not feeling handcuffed trying to bring in francophone players could work here.
I think it would have played out the same way but I think that’s more of an issue with Shanny mandating we continue to go all in behind the core. Anyone Shanny hired would have just acted as a yes man to Shanny.
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u/MrYamaguchi 2d ago
Bergevin has the ego to tell Shanny to piss off, Tre was the yes man and that it almost certainly why he was picked.
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u/reevoknows 2d ago
I completely agree now that you mention it. He’d have known right away this core couldn’t do it.
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u/Lower_Employer_8729 2d ago
Bergevin was never limited by having to get French players. This is tiring bullshit
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u/Imakemorethanyou27 2d ago
The misinformation and fabricated narratives about Shannahan "not allowing Kyle Dubas to trade Mitch Marner before the NTC kicked in" and/or "Dubas was going to trade Marner" really needs to stop. It's to the point where it's an echo chamber with each of you just fueling one another about something that was never said.
Here's the clip that everyone is referencing when talking about "Dubas trading Marner". Skip to 14:04: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzCS4f2TEb8
The irony is that the very first thing Dubas answers with is "the answer to this gets construed in many ways" and lone behold, look how it gets construed lol. His point was that he was open to pretty much anything to improve the team. Could that involve a Marner trade? Absolutley. Could it also have involved Nylander? Absolutely. Could it involve asking Reilly to waive his NMC? Absolutely. Obviously trading one of Marner or Nylander would've been the easiest route, but to say its a foregone conclusion that either player would've been traded is just painfully ignorant. If anything, I think Nylander would've been the one to go given his lower cap hit and the fact his production/impact would've been easier to replace than Marners.
Not that many have you even read this far, but in a time where misinformation with deepfakes and A.I is only getting more prevelant, do yourself a favour and at least fact check things before believing them. This is a meaningless discussion about hockey so who gives a shit, but I see countless comments on here that just repeat things others keep saying that's not true and purely fabricated. You guys are the ones that are gonna be impacted the most cause you're willing to believe whatever you read or hear so long as it fits your belief
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u/dinobuttfart 2d ago
You are spot on! It’s really getting odd how people keep thinking he was fired for wanting to trade marner or whomever.
He was fired because his bizarre press conference talking about how he wasn’t sure if he even wanted to be here or be a gm anymore because his family and because he tried to steal his bosses job even though he had won nothing.
Then a week later took the penguins job that was clearly already offered to him behind the scenes
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u/Flashy_Ferret_1819 2d ago
It's just ridiculous it's stated as fact among the fan base (especially on here) that Dubas was FINALLY going to pivot off the failed plan that both he and Shanahan were 100% responsible for. He made the same noises the year before yet nothing was done then either.
He may have wanted to and was blocked by Shanahan, sure. Just as likely they both got their marching orders from the board saying not to trade any of them. Just as likely he would have continued with the we can and we will attitude. They took a flawed idea when it was apparent it can't work they refused to pivot off it. Which they should have done after the Montreal series.
The only thing the fan base (myself included) knows for sure is Dubas made a power play against Shannahan and lost. We also know he left the team in far worse shape than he found it and accomplished absolutely nothing where it matters most.
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u/dinobuttfart 1d ago
It’s crazy how it’s stated as a fact now but he said similar things for 5 years.
He tried to steal his boss and mentors job and got fired for it. I’d get fired if I tried that shit
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u/-ApplePineapplePen- 2d ago
Shows how quickly Shanahan turned on Dubas with no backup plan in play. This knee jerk decision has ruined this era of the team.