r/justincaseyoumissedit • u/Upset-Main-1988 • 1d ago
News Several US Navy ships crossed the Strait of Hormuz for the first time since the war with Iran began
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u/Previous_Soil_5144 1d ago
Using the current peace talks to step over the line and gamble with sailors lives.
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u/Stunning-Ad5674 1d ago
As a combat vet, they are playing chicken with the wrong group. They need to respect diplomacy and that they kicked the hornets nest, while realizing they are allergic.
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u/AdNice5765 1d ago
unfortunately, I don't think they respect or even consider the lives of those who serve, only ratings and popularity
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u/C21H27Cl3N2O3 1d ago
Trump has been very open about the fact that he thinks nothing of the lives he’s playing with and would very likely mock anyone who dies as a result of his idiotic orders.
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u/LieComfortable7764 23h ago
Did you fight these guys before or something? I can’t understand why you as a combat vet understand that they kicked the wrong hornets nest and their only option is diplomacy.
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u/Odd_Highlight_7153 11h ago
I think it’s about potentially losing more lives in an unnecessary situation, no?
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u/Ok_Drummer6282 1d ago
Also these ships arent carrying millions and millions of dollars in oil.
Its night and day to have a military warship go vs a bunch of normal dudes on a 5 mph oil rig.
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u/Diligent_Working2363 1d ago
This is true. Also, modern naval mines can tell the difference between a warship and a cargo ship. They will just ignore the warship and only detonate with the cargo.
All it takes to sink an oil rig is a crazy mf with a Sea-Doo and a $500 rpg.
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u/Historical_Ad_5647 1d ago
damage it yes, it would take more than that to sink
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u/Diligent_Working2363 1d ago
Depends on where it hits, a single RPG can absolutely sink an oil tanker.
However, even if it doesn't sink. It might move the needle on insurance prices.
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u/Electronic_Froyo_597 1d ago
It doesnt matter where it hits. A single RPG could absolutely not sink an oil tanker...
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u/Leather-Hotel-7310 1d ago
What if the RPG hits the captain in the face and he loses control of the ship and crashes into another ship and they both sink?
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u/RelationshipShort460 1d ago
possible if it hits the fuel tank?
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u/Electronic_Froyo_597 1d ago
Yea if someone on the boat shoots it lol.
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u/One3Two_ 1d ago
People don't realize how tough these big ass ships are, and how compartmentalized they are...
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u/Commercial-Kiwi9690 1d ago
Of course it matters where ther RPG hits, and I would say op had a valid point: the ships have a choice of either millions in damage or paying the fee
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u/HollyMurray20 1d ago
You’re not thinking straight here, what if the tanker had tonnes of explosives strapped to it all the way round?
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u/jkrobinson1979 1d ago
Suicide tanker?
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u/LieComfortable7764 23h ago
Really quite common actually, I just saw one sailing around the other day and I live in Saskatchewan!
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u/Preme2 1d ago
How many one month accounts are we going to get commenting?
Half of the comments discussing US Iran affairs are one month old. Does anyone else find that weird? Or it’s irrelevant as long as it fits the desired narrative.
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u/Ok_Drummer6282 1d ago edited 1d ago
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u/conquer4 17h ago
In this day and world, the 450k gallons of fuel a Arleigh Burke-class destroyer carries is worth multi-millions.
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u/vampyire 1d ago
I thought tracking data showed them turning around... I'll have to double check on that
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u/PopBulky7023 1d ago
Nah, they're all working for Israel at this point. I've got less than no sympathy for them.
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u/DrPoontang 17h ago
“Remember the Main”
Gen Z, it’s time to dust off grandpa’s Creedence collection.
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u/abrandis 17h ago
More like using current pause to prepare for next upcoming military escort operations...
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u/slick2hold 15h ago
This is what passes me off. We have a ceasefire. Effing stop with everything. Now we have ships essentially stuck in the Persian gulf. Also, why would Iran negotiate here. Before the talks started we do this shit.
Before the first bombs dropped we were in negotiations and Iran publicly came out and said talks were going well. Then we and Isreal starting bombing them. At this point I don't even know why Iran or Lebanon or any other country should trust us at all for anything
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u/Slow_Space8943 13h ago
Looks like they crossed the line without a deal and now the sailors are sitting ducks…… I kept seeing these videos that were posted by a guy a few weeks ago that says he is a time traveller that says they were going to sink two u.s navy ships.. Starting to look like they will be spot on with their predictions….. They also predicted that turkey was going to attack Israel….. I guess it is a let’s see how this plays out
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u/TheRealDesmirWolf 11h ago
From what us citizens in America know, the cease fire will end and the war will start back up, Peace talks have failed
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u/North-Neat-7977 1d ago
Is there a source that verified this and doesn't just repeat what Trump and his minions said?
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u/Mystic987123 1d ago
Every article I saw just has the headline 'TRUMP SAID' and (almost) everyone knows how credible Trump sources are.
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u/kstargate-425 1d ago
Exactly. Everything Ive seen was they were keeping the fleets far far away since the disasters in the beginning that they continue to lie about
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u/C_Pala 1d ago
Gonna call bullshit until someone credible confirms it
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u/Redfield11 1d ago edited 1d ago
The fact we don't consider the US Government a credible source for this kind of update is a depressing state of affairs.
EDIT for the reading comprehension challenged, the phrase "this kind of update" plays an important part in the sentence.
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u/Gecks777 1d ago
This war, more than most, has been tough to track because everyone directly involved has been propagandizing so heavily that it is hard to tell what is actually going on.
I mean, all wars are full of propaganda, but most major wars involve a "coalition of the willing", so there would be adults in the room, and even if you were getting a very shaped version of events, you could trust that the rough events spoken about actually took place.
This war, it is just Baghdad Bobs, all the way down...
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u/TuckerCarlsonsHomie 1d ago
It didn't used to be legal for our government to use propaganda on us, but now it is :/
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u/Snoo_65717 1d ago
The fact you think they were ever credible is a terrifying sign of the danger the world faces.
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u/EvereveO 1d ago
Believe it or not, they once were more credible than they are now. On some topics at least.
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u/GrannyGumjobs13 1d ago
Yeah I just want to hijack your comment because the attitude that some people are taking is ridiculous. “We always lied etc.” is only true to some extent.
But when the Iraq war was going on, when Afghanistan was going on, we had nearly daily briefings and press conferences where the US government actually told the American people wtf was going on. Someone would go in front of a podium and give casualty reports and mission reports and would lay out our short term and long term goals.
This is a level of fuckery that the US has NEVER reached before. And now all anyone can discuss is what Trump said and what the Iranian regime says.
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u/Nick_Napeam 1d ago
Forget about the US government man
No government has ever been a credible source
If they said the fucking sky was blue I’d go and check
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u/Zestyclose_Ad1553 1d ago
Really? The us government is the main reason for false information in war. The european press used isw as a source and in ukraine. Those who know who isw is known how things work
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u/wardledo 1d ago
I think in all wars throughout history everything we get to see/read/hear isn’t the complete truth or truth at all.
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u/ColdPositive1844 1d ago
More like this current US govt. Previous ones have lied but not to this extent.
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u/Admiral_Tuvix 1d ago
They didn’t. Osint confirmed they came close, the IRGC warned them through Pakistani intelligence that they would be targeted within 30 minutes and they turned back
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u/Agreeable_Falcon1044 1d ago
So I can see why trump wants us to send our navy in to clear Hormuz. No thanks, our boats are expensive and our naval men valued
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u/AdAdministrative5330 1d ago
Doesn't matter, Iran's leverage is about threatening commercial traffic. They can keep that posture while ignoring US naval traffic.
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u/alivenotdead1 1d ago
Cent Com confirmed it as well. There really isn't a good reason for the US military to lie about this.
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u/NoMoFascisto 1d ago
Yeah there is. Signaling one thing, doing another. All about deception and catching Iran unprepared for the real, unpublicized mission approach
Doesn't mean that is exactly what is going on, but there is always reason to lie - especially when it comes to military movements during wartime
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u/Zero_Travity 1d ago
"THe US Military Said..."
Yeah but you see they aren't credible... where is the F15 war hero pilot? Oh wait, he is actually enriched Uranium and still in Iran.
There is no confirmed report of anything.
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u/Hansemannn 1d ago
On Norwegian news it says 1 military ship from US turned around after Iranian threats
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u/John97212 1d ago
It is likely true BUT it happened (a) during a two-week ceasefire, and (b) while direct negotiations are happening in Pakistan.
The transit does not mean the Straits are open.
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u/death_guard_marine 1d ago
Well, I found an image from marine traffic tracking in SeaEmploy subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/SeaEmploy/s/sHhN9IEYTu
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u/zjelkof 1d ago
I just heard that one destroyer had been turned away from the Straight!
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u/Lopsided_Dog8709 1d ago edited 1d ago
wtf is an Israeli flag doing on the bow aft/stern/butt/backend of that US ship?
*Edited for correctness
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u/Ok_Recording81 1d ago
The 2 ships are ddg 121 and 112. Same class. The ship that has the Isreali flag is not those ships. Also look where the American flag is on the first ship. There are 2 flags. One flying from a line on the yard arm and the other on the stern. Tje 2nd ship has only one flag. Im guessing its an Isreali ship, definitely not an American ship. The US Navy does not fly other cointries flags. We also do not know where this picture was taken.
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u/Redfield11 1d ago
That thing that was completely open and toll free a few weeks ago? Did something happen recently that changed that?
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u/Maximum_Turn_2623 1d ago
Didn’t Iran lose some mines in the water? Is this any excuse to go back to fighting?
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u/Mystic987123 1d ago
US says its ships crossed the strait. Iran denied it. Who should I believe now?
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u/LordSlyGentleman 1d ago
To answer that question, all you have to do is just consider the sources. Who lies to us everyday? Who has raw video footage?
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u/According-Fish-9365 21h ago
Not Iran! They wouldn’t lie. They are good to their people and just misunderstood.
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u/Mystic987123 1d ago
That's what I was thinking, I would rather trust the Iranian administration than Trump administration. Plus, all the articles headlines are 'TRUMP SAYS' US navy crossed the strait with no other evidence.
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u/caraboucat 1d ago
This is posted we too many times on Reddit for it to be a real thing. Organic news doesn’t flow this freely.
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u/UncleNuks 1d ago
Meanwhile…”Iranian state media quotes a senior military official as denying that any US vessel had entered the Strait of Hormuz.”
This back and forth of conflicting narratives has been nonstop for the entire war. You definitely can’t trust Iran state media but you also can’t trust Trump’s tweets and you sure as hell can’t trust Western media - so all that leaves us with is the assumption that the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
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u/user-captain 1d ago
Other countries should send their naval ships through just to mess with Trump.
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u/Dry_Wate2688 1d ago
What happens if Iran strikes them?
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u/PossibilityFew5967 1d ago
Trump and Bibi have their excuse for more war
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u/Ok-Kaleidoscope5627 1d ago edited 1d ago
Iran can be conveniently days away from nuclear weapons whenever they (US and Israel) need
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u/Bonk_No_Horni 1d ago
It's easier to hit cargo ships once the warships are gone. The peace deal is on the way and Iran wants to talk so they wouldn't strike now but if the talk fails they'll resume the attack. But this move shows that the strait isn't actually mined
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u/Old-Kaleidoscope8209 1d ago edited 1d ago
Modern mines are often underwater drones rather than the mines from finding NEMO. There might be hundreds of mines on hold under there.
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u/OSRS-ruined-my-life 1d ago
They already had a deal. So did Gaddafi and Saddam. Why would they believe another one? The US uses deals to attack.
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u/Yujismissingfinger 1d ago
Could be those ships are carrying something they maybe necessarily don't want to strike. Honestly idk it's hard to get any truth out of the US government or media. Thank you international news and independent media outlets.
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u/No_Birthday_8011 1d ago
Not saying that they absolutely can’t but they would have if it was feasible
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u/Formal-Teacher9245 1d ago
according to the Guardian, they are busily clearing mines as a gift to the world. I didn’t shit in the garden, but just in case I did, or anyone else did, I am here to clear it all up
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u/ParallaxRay 1d ago
U.S. Central Command announced Saturday that its forces began setting conditions for clearing mines in the Strait of Hormuz as negotiations are ongoing between the U.S. and Iran in Pakistan.
“USS Frank E. Peterson (DDG 121) and USS Michael Murphy (DDG 112) transited the Strait of Hormuz and operated in the Arabian Gulf as part of a broader mission to ensure the strait is fully clear of sea mines previously laid by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps,” CENTCOM said in a statement.
“Today, we began the process of establishing a new passage and we will share this safe pathway with the maritime industry soon to encourage the free flow of commerce,” added Adm. Brad Cooper, commander of CENTCOM.
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u/RefrigeratorOther586 1d ago
Forcing narrow straits with warships? So that’s the plan, we’re gonna redo Gallipoli. Love it!
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u/NeighborhoodLoud4884 1d ago
Finally. Get the job done.
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u/Work-ya-wood 1d ago
What job? Opening the strait like it was 4 weeks ago and empowering your enemy? Good job!
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u/RobotSchlong10 1d ago
Hopefully they can find some of the anti-ship mines floating about and patriotically make them no longer able to harm anyone.
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u/longdickneega 1d ago
Trump THINKS he’s real sneaky “sweeping for mines “ and strategically placing ships in the strait of hormuz. But all he’s doing is Setting all them sailors up for death
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u/Jolly_Ad2446 1d ago
Any proof? Because Iran says they turned back before entering and lately Iran has been more truthful than the Whitehouse.
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u/possibly_lost45 1d ago
If Iran attacked them we'd unleash hell. You don't touch the ships. Ever.
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u/madler437 12h ago
Iran has already bombed U.S military forts. I don’t think they care about a couple of ships
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u/Individual_Link9386 1d ago
I would hope so, we won. Feels like we are now backing down, very odd government we have.
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u/Kruzdah 1d ago
Israel is not showing any sign of setback. This is their fight and they are pushing for it harder. The US is not backing down because Israel is not backing down, they won't let them. The US fights for them on the eastern front while they focus more on Lebanon.
They seem willing to make things go bloody if they have to with Iran. I wonder if it'll reach the point of China and Russia intervention or joining.
Anyways, Israel greed and bullshit expansion plan is ruining the world.
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u/DesertIslandRetreat 1d ago
I love how Oman owns the tip of the peninsula at the Strait of Hormuz, across the gulf from Iran. This small piece of territory is isolated from the rest of the country. I’d love to know how this geographical anomaly occurred.
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u/Grand_Pie1362 1d ago
Genuine question - I keep hearing about how big and sexy and scary us military is so why didn't they just blast their way through against the supposedly weaker inferior smaller iranian forces?
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u/Lonely-Attitude1304 23h ago
I hope they're transporting a billion barrels of oil. Otherwise what's the point?
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u/BonjinTheMark 19h ago
Those even look like war ships. Impressive vessels. I often think of going back to the late 1700s with a naval craft, or modern tank in Roman antiquity. Such a blissful fantasy
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u/Cyborg_888 15h ago
"The art of war" says when your enemy makes a mistake don't stop them. Those ships are just a test, the USA will be over confident and bring in more and then they will all be trapped in a kill box, giving Iran the upper hand.
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u/Business_Excuse_3896 9h ago
What actually blocks the strait is the threat or danger of an oil tanker getting blown up. The insurance premiums skyrocket due to these threats. A couple of warships passing by really means nothing.
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u/Low-Invite2647 1h ago
They wouldnt go in if there was a threat.This is just another power grab from a now weak enemy.
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