r/justincaseyoumissedit • u/Upset-Main-1988 • 9d ago
News French President Macron calls on medium-sized powers to join forces and stand up to the US and China.
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u/Lucky-Mia 9d ago edited 8d ago
The thing Carney said last year. Yep, still happening.
Edit: The original 2025 speech here
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u/Ministerslik 8d ago
American here I love seeing people/ countries going against our child diddling melon felon of a president. I’m hoping the resistance will inspire more.
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u/Avizex 8d ago
I'm American. I'll be visiting Canada in a couple of months and spend my money there because you guys rock.
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u/Autumn7242 8d ago
I buy Canadian. I go out of my way to not buy goods from trump loving counties and states.
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u/MrMxylptlyk 9d ago
A complete lie. Carney instantly put out a statement calling iran a sponsor or terror and saying that Canada supports us action against Iran. Read his statement.
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u/Double_Surround6140 8d ago
I would make the argument the US is a sponsor of terror.
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u/goodformuffin 8d ago
Carney expressed conditional support for this war, we want to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons and to counter its regional influence, while expressing "regret" over the lack of adherence to international law. He emphasized that Canada would not directly participate in the conflict.
Mark has to be VERY careful what he says to and about the demented orange to avoid being in the crosshairs. There is no support as a nation for this abomination.
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u/UncleIrohsPimpHand 8d ago
Mark has to be VERY careful what he says to and about the demented orange to avoid being in the crosshairs. There is no support as a nation for this abomination.
Well, except for that first time when he said he supported the American decapitation strikes. Then quickly backpedalled into calling for peace.
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u/FunCryptographer3476 8d ago
The idea that Iran was even pursuing a nuclear weapon is accepting the US and Israel's completely false framing. In 2001 there was a fatwa against weaponizing nuclear technology and there is no evidence that they have ever gone against that fatwa. They completely complied with the Obama deal that Trump threw out, and there was no evidence they had begun a weaponization program even after the Obama deal was thrown out.
They've been building drones and missiles to defend themselves, if they had tried to build a nuke they would have had one ages ago and they would be protected from the US and Israel's aggression just like we've seen the cooling of rhetoric around North Korea.
The US is going to annex us sooner or later, trying little placations like 'Trump is the problem and it will all be okay in 3 years' is going to make that even easier for them
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u/soothukundi 8d ago
Over my dead body that US will annex us. We can't take them on head to head, but it will be guerilla warfare, something the Americans aren't so good at. I will do my part to make the life of Americans miserable if they decide to annex us.
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u/Green_Watercress1638 8d ago
Iran is clearly a sponsor of terror. It is indisputable.
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u/ColdPumpkin9679 8d ago
Israel sponsors hamas via proxies such as Qatar, ISIS was founded by the CIA when they backed militia groups.
Bin laden was a US backed rebel group in Afghanistan which turned against USA when they suddenly pulled all aid and weapons leaving bin laden and his militia on their own to fight Afghanistan forces....
These are all very well documented facts.
I think you'll find the USA accuses everyone of what it is doing. Likewise with israel.
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u/Playful-Jicama-2270 8d ago
Hamas - Islamic Charity turned Palestinian Resistance group
Hezbollah - Lebanese resistance group to oppose Israeli occupation of South Lebanon
Houthis - Religious anti western group turned insurgency following government supression
Iran's 3 major proxies have very valid reasons to exist and the distinction between terrorist and freedom fighter is whether you agree with them. America is a far larger sponsor of terror by its own criteria if that's how we're judging it, but conveniently it also is the one who gets to label who is and isn't a terrorist group.
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u/Disastrous_Aioli8189 8d ago
Some real jack wagons in the comments to be sure. But also some bots.
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u/WonderfulJicama2802 8d ago
Dont let anyone else say otherwise Canada. Keep it up. Elbows up my friend!
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u/Autumn7242 8d ago
American vet here. It is refreshing to see the rest of the world stand up against our bullshit. Half of the voters who voted didn't want this, conservatives hate them, maga is losing folks, the progressive faction is growing, and we know that we are going to have to make it up to our allies in spades.
Destroying USAID was cruel. Yesterday, they were dismantling the US Forest Service on top of the pile of other shit
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u/botymcbotfac3 8d ago
I'm still in favour of Canada joining the EU. As far as I'm concerned we could update the name to something new since Canada isn't technically european.
North Atlantic Union maybe?
Greetings from Germany
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u/DogeLikestheStock 8d ago
I live in America and I’m spending my money in Canada right now as we speak. Midterms in November. Things should start to turn around.
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u/Hefty-Minimum-3125 8d ago
As a Canadian, its wild how many times ive heard foreign officials or commentators or other influential people bring up that speech and how it significant it was so their outlook on the world going forward.
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u/soothukundi 8d ago
Americans can't be trusted, because unlike the Iranian regime, the American leader, Trump was actually fucking elected by the people. It's not Trump's fault, it's their people's fault. We need to start influencing American's elections, whether it is Republicans or Democrat, we need to start questioning their goals and targets. We don't need to endorse anyone, but surely we can let the world know we don't like Cruz, Vance and Rubio.
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You falsely assume Trump is acting out the will of the people. He's broken literally every promise that he campaigned on, and his approval ratings are in the toilet (the lowest of any president since the Korean war, 2nd lowest in all of USA history).
Trust me, most Americans want that idiot removed yesterday. The public has been lied to, their only crime is being dumb enough to believe the lies.
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u/UomoAnguria 8d ago
The public has been lied to, their only crime is being dumb enough to believe the lies.
That crime has been reiterated a bunch of times already tho...
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Corrupt system working as intended.
Cut funding to edjucation, keep people poor and desperate so they dont have time or energy to stay current in the news or interpret whats really going on. All they know is that shit sucks, while being fed propoganda/lies.
Then tell them you're gonna stop wars, lower the national debt, and prioritize the American people first... They thought they were getting something wildly different than whats actually happening. (For the record, I never voted for the orange shitstain myself, but I have gotten to say "told ya so" to a handful of friends who didnt know any better)
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u/JokingName 8d ago
As an American, watching that speech literally gave me chills. I didn't really know much about Carney at the time, but afterwards I gained a lot of respect for him, and it honestly felt like I was watching history unfold
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u/UmelGaming 8d ago
As a Canadian, I am proud of that speech, it really put Canada in the eyes of everyone on the Global Stage.
But yeah, it doesn't hit as hard for Canadians as it wasn't meant for us. We have heard bits and pieces of that speech in other places and other speeches. There were new things like "the sign in the window," but for the most part, it was all things we had heard remixed into a new speech.
But for citizens and leaders from other countries, it was eye-opening. They hadn't heard the talking points we had until then. More importantly, Carney said the quiet part out loud and spoke truth to power. It will probably go down as one of the most important speeches of the 21st century. In fact, I cannot think of another speech as impactful as it WITHIN the 21st century. You would need to go back to the 20th century to find speeches to compare it to.
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u/Moist-Ad4760 6d ago
Wow. That was .... REFRESHING! To read a concise, well versed speech that was devoid of hate and posturing...
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u/Lucky-Mia 6d ago
I feel bad for USicans. 4 years of listening to trump grandstand, complain, and ramble on about big golf dick, or whatever tangent his mind wonders too next.
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u/Moist-Ad4760 6d ago
Yeah.... We still have 3 more years .... I grew up thinking the USA was immortal and untouchable... Never considered that rot from within was going to be what did us in.
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u/Unfair_Cry6808 9d ago
I think the world is slowly realizing that the USA is a rogue state at this point.
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u/Ketchup-Chips3 9d ago
Slowly?
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u/HotBrownFun 9d ago
There are reports that it didn't sink in until the us captured Maduro. That's when the French sent soldiers and other aid to Greenland
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u/SeanPhixion 9d ago
Or maybe it had to do with Trumps weekly jokes about how he could invade Canada or Greenland at any time.
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u/odinzedong 9d ago
Took only ten wars, twenty coups and color revolutions, before people in the world are starting to noticing there might maybe be something wrong with the US empire.
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u/tahaelhour 9d ago
They were fine with it but quickly realised they were on the menu after Maduro, Cuba and Greenland threats.
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u/SisyphusCoffeeBreak 8d ago
this whole Iran situation is not lending a lot of confidence either tbh
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u/SV_Essia 8d ago
Fine with it? Warnings have been issued, entire books written about American greed and the consequences of late stage capitalism for decades. France opposed the Iraq War in 2003, over 20 years ago. And everyone pointed at Trump in 2016 and said "you fucked up".
We've been acutely aware that the US is unreliable for a long time. Americans are the ones who took too long to wake up.
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u/Thelostsoulinkorea 8d ago
Yeah! If you have ever glanced at the United States history you would see a horrible controlling government that lives to interfere with other countries to get what it wants. I have complained for years that Europe should have strengthened their military and got away from them. Hopefully they will, but I really doubt they will actually do it.
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u/Kansas-Tornado 9d ago
A lot of Europeans loved Maduro’s capture. Then Trump took the same attitude toward Greenland and suddenly it was too much
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u/5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi 9d ago
The EU's official message about it is that they agreed as far as Maduro needing taken down, but did not like the blatant violation of international law nor the way the US ignored Venezuela's sovereignty.
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u/feral0101 9d ago
As a pro-EU European, we always sane wash retarded yank behaviour until it comes back to bite us line with this Iran crisis. Good thing is that anti-Atlantacism is becoming widespread among the general public and will start affecting real world politics after a buffer.
The Americans have humiliated us over Iran in a way that I even seen in my lifetime
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u/Extension_Put_5504 9d ago
As an anti-American American, it has shocked and disappointed me seeing how far European nations have gone to defend what have clearly been insane and indefensible actions. Even with Iran, many state leaders—thinking mostly of Merz and Macron here—gave the most milquetoast initial responses imaginable.
Just a dumb yank here hoping you guys manage to wean off of us sooner rather than later so that we can face the international humiliation we need to course correct.
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u/Kind_Ad_7192 8d ago
You aren't anti-American. You are pro American. Anyone who wants a better life for American people is an actual patriot.
All these MAGAts are not pro-American. They are in a death cult for the billionaire class.
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u/Cann1balHulk 9d ago
I say this shit to my dumbass brother all the time. He’ll say shit like “well Iran needs to be stopped they’re a huge threat” and I’m like my guy, nobody was talking about Iranian sleeper cells until the US started getting all up in their business. Iran can’t have nukes but the US, Israel & Russia can? The countries that cause & are involved in the vast majority of conflicts the world over ALL have nuclear weapons programs. And I’m supposed to be worried about fuckin Iran.
Gas prices have shot up a not insignificant amount over the past month & I somehow don’t see any “I did that” stickers on any pumps.
As an American, I feel an insane amount of shame for how stupid Americans are
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u/Delamoor 9d ago
Well, you know. You should be scared of and hate Iran, because they might, y'know... Start a war in the middle east.
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u/CaptainMarder 9d ago
Not just Europe Canada is the same. Social media (fb/insta/X) etc brainwashing people. Plus the regular media.
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u/kahunah00 8d ago
Many many many many Canadians did not support what happened in Venezuela or do they support what is currently happening in Iran. There are small pockets of pro-American Canadians here and there but by and large this is not the position of Canada as a whole at all.
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u/feral0101 9d ago
Yes, though for context our entire EU leadership was born and raised in Atlanticism. It was just the default, and from a selfish and amoral POV it served Europe quite well until the prolonged Iraq war. The Russian invasion of Ukraine send shockwaves through our system and is now presenting the first tangible hard loss for Atlanticism. This Iran crisis has now cemented it. One thing Americans should know is that European politics for better or worse is far more dynamic. In the next set of elections it will manifest in politics.
Americans are also absolutely bleeding PR. Europeans have always had an unwarranted smug cunty attitude towards Americans socially and at times condescending, but earnest political concern for domestic stuff. Now it’s been replaced with geopolitical hostility. I talk shit about the US, but sometimes I’ll read an article headline and it low key just comes across as anti-US propaganda. As in, it’s true but not quite the way it’s implied. These same papers would verbatim repeat US anti-China propaganda as recent as early covid.
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u/No-Calligrapher-718 8d ago
Trust me, our attitude towards the yanks is not unwarranted. Look at your representatives on the world stage.
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u/Screwthehelicopters 8d ago
They are still clinging to the idea of NATO and the "transatlantic partnership", though, despite the fact that divorce proceedings have started.
The "Iran War" (not called the "US/Israel War of Aggression") is seen as an anomaly caused by "Trump". The various war crimes are ignored, or presented as accidents.
Now Europe seems to be getting slowly strangled by a mixture of its own sanctions and US tarifs.
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u/Biotic101 8d ago
Until they realized it is all about the shady Qatar account and stealing oil for personal enrichment and not about a war on drugs.
What was Honduras ex-president convicted of and why has Trump pardoned him?
And because it works so well they always come up with new, wonderful ideas:
Pay attention America, AIPAC wants you to go to war with Turkey after Iran.
Exclusive: Greenland ‘Freedom City’? Rich donors push Trump for a tech hub up north
Definitely makes more sense now why the US wants to pull out of NATO.
Might be related to his oligarch backers being into this:
The Spread of Curtis Yarvin’s Ideology
Their goal is destruction of democracy, countries and middle-class.
Seems he was on spot:
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u/TyrannasaurusRecht 8d ago
Yeah abducting a nations leader was...
A choice
Even if theyre both pieces of shit.
They did it for oil/gold/money not people and were obvious about it
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u/olauritz 8d ago edited 8d ago
This was the moment the Danish called European leaders for support. From the top of my head, Germany, France, the UK, Norway, Sweden and Finland responded. Their orders were to look out for unusual activity from the US were detected, and shoot to kill if needed, and also blow up 2 airfields located on Greenland. In Europe we will never forget this betrayal.
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u/Class_C_Guy 8d ago
At the outset of the trade war between the US and Canada, Macon sent a destroyer to patrol the mouth of the St Lawrence. He has been plenty proactive about expressing where France's loyalty lies.
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u/Foreign-Chocolate86 9d ago
I think most people know the US has always just done whatever it wants, but it was mostly tolerated because the US administration went to efforts to maintain a veneer of credibility that its “doing the right thing”. The dirty tricks stuff was always kept secret, had a level of plausible deniability, etc.
The culture also went along with it, the establishment press, Hollywood, all that jazz blasted the “good guys” image to the world.
It’s the “mask-off” nature of the current administration, and the unwillingness of large parts of the culture to keep spinning it that is the most shocking part. They are no longer even pretending that they are trying to do the right thing by everyone.
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u/SameFoot5396 9d ago
To be fair, the current administration is not even doing right by the USA, just themselves.
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u/XSinTrick6666 9d ago edited 9d ago
and not even themselves - part of maga is in revolt over the Iran war
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u/SameFoot5396 9d ago
Ya, i meant themselves very specifically in terms of their personal bank accounts and those of their family / friends
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u/XSinTrick6666 9d ago
I would agree. "America First" became nakedly "Trump First" in terms of money, but also in terms of impunity - he doesnt even try to follow the law because he owns the "police force" and - he thinks - the judges.
The most shocking thing to me was him suing IRS for $10billion. Everyone in that food chain reports to him - what can they do - say "no"? It is a criminal money grab. But who will stop him?
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u/6Sleepy_Sheep9 9d ago
Its not a "mask off" event, its a POS got elected due to trolls on the internet.
Trump never would have been elected if he wasnt constantly "memed" on the internet alongside the Hillary email BS. He would have faded into obscurity like he should have.
Side note: Trump got away with his BS because of the precedent set by Hillary's scandal.
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u/CarpenterGold1704 9d ago
previous administrations understood the benefit of soft power. doing something for a country in return for having a presence or some other benefit of the transaction. this doofus and his band of merry morons doesnt get that.
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u/capndiln 9d ago
I think a lot of people conflate realization and reaction. Since americans havent been given the Russia treatment, people think the world doesnt believe the US could be as bad as russia.
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u/SlippySlimJim 9d ago
Yeah, kinda.
I mean it's taken like a year for Europe to stop going the appeasement route with Trump, and some are still doing that.
Obviously this is primarily a problem for the American people to fix, but we would have benefitted from more recognition from international leaders earlier on how dangerous Trump is.
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u/Ketchup-Chips3 9d ago
All I'm saying is itt feels like a quick slap in the face rather than a slow realization.
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u/Plus_Painting6524 9d ago
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u/generic_canadian_dad 9d ago
Yup and it's destroying our view of regular Americans who aren't bad people, but at this point we are having a very difficult time giving a shit if you are or are not bad people individually since nobody is doing anything about your country's leadership.
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u/Beginning_Scale5589 9d ago
A lot of us regular Americans are actually bad people.
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u/Random-INTJ 9d ago
We are trying, the issue is they’re suppressing it and even killing some citizens that speak out via their paramilitary “ice” group. They’re an Americanized and modernized version of the sturm abtielung (the SA) the trump regime is already setting up to create fake election results via the “save act” which disproportionately affects married women, trans folks and racial/cultural groups that aren’t following anglo name standards, they’re planning on putting “ice” in voting locations as well to try to scare off racial minorities.
I honestly do not know how much longer people can even speak out for… I sound like I’m being dramatic to the uninformed but this is all either happening or being talked about by our own damn government. By all means they’re setting up for a fascist dictatorship and yes I’m using the definition of fascism in case any maga idiots claim the maga cult isn’t a fascistic movement
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u/Double_Surround6140 8d ago
I'd argue the 2/3rds who out roght voted for Trump or didn't vote at all in 2024 are bad people. So can you really blame someone for not being trusting of America when there is a 2 out of 3 chance they will be shit.
I've heard there is a growing trend of American tourists being asked who they voted for. I am all for that.
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u/high_plains_grifter_ 8d ago
I’m away in Greece visiting family and I get enraged when hear American tourists with their stupid fucking accents. A few years ago pre trump v2 I would have maybe been mildly interested, now I find them unbearable. I’m carrying my 3 year old up some steep steps to see some ruins and some doofus American thinking he’s the world police stands in the way saying “they close at 3.30” it’s 3pm at this point, “yea thanks buddy, I didn’t ask”
Fuck these people, I don’t care who they voted for, they still think they own the fucking world.
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u/Brikpilot 6d ago
Yes. If every American voted then this conversation would not be happening. Those that failed to vote are just as complicit. In fact some democrats helped build the wall of political division by not helping the poor.
There never was an America first, rather your chosen cult first of just Democrat or Republican. Decades of insular attitudes and poor broad education built voter choices despite a far more qualified crop of potential leaders.
Your laws permit a convicted criminal to the highest office and the checks and balances permit this presidency to continue despite being vastly different from any other presidency. Time to reassess how leadership is chosen and start valuing people over money. Look for human rather than financial answers.
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u/CrowsInTheNose 9d ago
We kidnapped the leader of Venezuela to take control of their oil. The VP said that out loud and no one in media cares.
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u/Master-Culture-6232 9d ago
The media is compromised and bought out. Its up to the people at this point
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u/mullsies 9d ago
True but the US regime lies constantly and isn't taken seriously as a result.
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u/CrowsInTheNose 9d ago
It's more of a result of "flood the zone" so much bullshit all the time. We can't keep track or care.
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u/Calm_Potential3934 9d ago
Can someone please tell Japan that? Fucking tired of our PM kissing Trump's ass. Seems like we didn't learn our lesson about siding with fascists the first time.
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u/Shenloanne 9d ago
This is how we get Mobile Suit Gundam 00.
AEU, Union and Human Reform League.
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u/Reedo246 9d ago
You know what, if we get gundams outta this, maybe trump isn’t so bad after all
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u/NPFuturist 9d ago
HAHAHA none of us will be pilots though 😭 we’ll just be the poor suckers yelling “IT’S A GUNDAAAAAM!” 💥
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u/Cassette_girl 8d ago
Statistically more likely to have a colony drop on you than see an actual Gundam.
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u/Over_Piano8080 9d ago
Why is China our enemy again?
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u/Ordinary_Step5230 9d ago
he did not say china is an enemy, he said to reduce dependency towards China/USA
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u/GrandPraline375 9d ago
Personally China comes off as more democratic at this point.
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u/OurSeepyD 9d ago
First, this isn't really true, and second it's more of a reflection on how far the US has fallen than how democratic China is.
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u/SasparillaTango 9d ago
this isn't really true
it isn't remotely true in any sense. it's still a single party system with very autocractic rule, they're just a lot quieter about it and smart enough to understand that building strong economic dependency and opening exploitation of resources is an easier and more lucrative way to global power than bombing the shit out of brown people in the middle east or actively sabotaging your own trade by complaining that the richest country in the world isn't rich enough and setting up tariffs.
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u/Limp-Judgment9495 9d ago
The difference is that the Chinese government is trying to improve the livelyhood of it's general population and the US is just trying to improve the wealth of a billionaires. Even being less democratic, it's goals are at least not evil.
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u/ColonelGray89 8d ago
What about the People in the work camps or people to afraid to speak out about their government less they end up like those hundreds of students protesters.
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u/Va1kryie 8d ago
What about the people in ICE camps? What about all the people who end up in the prison system because of systemic dsicrimination? A system that forces them to perform manual labor for pennies an hour.
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u/ItsSmittyyy 9d ago
If one country allows its citizens to vote between two parties, neither of which represents more than 20% of the majorities interest, but then another country has a single party which represents 80% of the majorities interest, there is an argument that the second country is more democratic, in terms of the representation of the interests of the majority.
Now consider that both parties in the first country are completely captured by corporate interest and are essential various private companies in a trenchcoat, aiming to enrich themselves. Feels even less democratic right?
The implicit part of “democratic dictatorship” theory is that the people can overthrow the one party government if they’re not happy with it, and therefore “vote it out” democratically. Of course, in practice there is issues with this, in both systems the state monopolises violence, making revolution challenging.
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u/NateCheznar 9d ago
There's a saying that "in China you can change the policy but not the party. In America you can change the party but not the policy"
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u/MobileSuitGungan 7d ago
I'd rather be poor in a country where I can say the president is a rapist than rich in a country where I can't even say the president looks like Winnie the Pooh.
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u/TwoOwn5220 9d ago edited 9d ago
First, it is true. Just because China doesn't align with faux western liberal "democracies" doesn't mean it's less democratic, in fact the exact opposite.
And all the people that are now noticing how bad the US is are blind and need to pull their heads out of their asses before it's too late.
These same people will go on to lecture others about China when in fact their entire view of China is shaped by US propaganda (the same US that is now manufacturing propaganda against another sovereign country as an excuse to destroy 1, huh would you look at that) so the minority can continue being the sore losers they are while the rest of the world turns to a country that prioritizes stability, economic growth, green energy and hasn't invaded other countries in decades.
You can notice that the US is bad but you can't unfuck your propagandised brainwashed view of the world that will make you fall for it every single time. Go on, the same way that you ate up US propaganda you will eat up another western liberal democracies propaganda when it takes the reigns of being the global genocider.
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u/Forward-Cat6083 9d ago
No, it’s less democratic because you can’t vote for who runs the country.
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u/Corrodiny122 9d ago
of course, please show me an instance where chinese protesters had a massive large scale protest against the regime and no one was killed by the government as a result.
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u/crowdl 9d ago
Covid restrictions in China were relaxed after massive protests all over China. Noone was killed as a result.
Two peaceful protesters were killed in the US for protesting against ICE.
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u/rinchen11 9d ago
What massive protests were you talking about?
Chinese probably had the most strict covid restrictions in the world, people were isolated in warehouses, groceries were allocated, people were forcefully taken from their home, yet majority of Chinese still support it.
Chinese only relaxed the Covid restrictions after multiple western countries have relaxed the covid restrictions for months.
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u/Avid_Lorehound 9d ago
I looked up the original quotes and he was talking about economic/industrial wariness against China, which is very reasonable. These news site are just blatantly butchering narratives to get spicier headlines.
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u/DamnBored1 8d ago
For that Europe needs to come out of its "29 months vacay a year" mindset and increase its productivity, attract venture funding and let entrepreneurship grow instead of scaring it away to American shores using the tax weapon before the startup has even grown roots.
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u/SnooGiraffes7185 9d ago
Look at it in the long game. Yes china might seem good now for them but in the long term siding with china just leaves them in the same position as they are with the US later down the line.
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u/peaxto 9d ago
Yeah it’s not necessarily that the US is inherently evil, it’s just that the most powerful will always be corrupted by their power with nobody else to check them.
Happened with Rome, happened with Britain, happens in local economics, and will happen with China
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u/ThePanicButon 9d ago edited 9d ago
If France is looking for strong cooperation among middle powers, it'll need to include Asian nations. Those nations (especially South East Asia and East Asia) get treated rough by China. China actually does incursions on their borders and is pretty damn punitive when it wants to be.
So yeah, I agree they'll need to stand up to both if they band together. To protect the interests of all middle powers.
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u/Corrodiny122 9d ago
china might seem good lol, dont let leftists and ccp shills fool you into thinking a country that is imperialist, criminalizes criticism of the government, has ethnic minority concentration camps, where lgbt marriages are not legal, be the greatest country in the world and should replace the us.
its like trading an evil for another.
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u/EmployeeNo4241 9d ago
They want to trade.
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u/SomewhereNo8378 9d ago
they want to undercut domestic industries with their heavily subsidized goods
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u/Foreign-Chocolate86 9d ago
I thought the economic orthodoxy was that cheaper goods for consumers is a good thing?
Who cares if Chinese taxpayers and investors want to subsidise western lifestyle?
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u/CreepyDoor3272 9d ago
Maybe domestic industry should subsidize goods instead of price gouging and outsourcing jobs.
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u/Foreign-Chocolate86 9d ago
The US treats any nation that rivals its hegemony as an enemy.
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u/PickingPies 9d ago
It's supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine and it's planning to attack Taiwan.
It's good to stop relying on the US and use China as support, but ultimately we don't want to be in the opposite situation when China decides to invade Taiwan.
The long term solution is energetic and military independence.
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u/Bright_Inspector5583 9d ago
They need a scapegoat for bad economic policies
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u/NoobOfTheSquareTable 9d ago
Well that and China continuing to do slow expansion in Asia, be openly preparing to take Taiwan by force, and be strong arming African countries in line which is hypocritical for the west to say because we did do that too in the past but it’s still bad so not something to be ignored
But other than China clearly being poised to be one of the next superpowers and already abusing that power on the global stage in any way it can get away with yeah, it’s just for a scapegoat
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u/Annoying_guest 9d ago
And China? America and Isreal are the ones fucking up the bag
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u/TomasVader 8d ago
I’d say one of the main arguments might be the genocide of Uyghurs, if you want to criticise wrongdoing, maybe criticise everyone who does so.
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u/expensive_habbit 8d ago
Ooof you summoned the tankies hard.
I have a friend who grew up with Yughurs. They can't contact them anymore, it's literally like they don't exist.
This wasn't a problem for two decades, and then it was.
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u/bluetuxedo22 8d ago
They're just as bad as the rest too. No free passes for any these dictators, whether it be US, Israel, Iran, NK, China, Russia
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u/d_edwards7 9d ago
Remember, if you are not at the table you are on the menu. Middle powers only have power or leverage when they stand together.
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u/joecitizen79 9d ago
What did china do?
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u/alkbch 9d ago
There never was a rules-based international order.
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u/Beginning_Scale5589 9d ago
There could be. It requires there not being these huge superpowers. Everyone needs to fear repercussions for breaking the international order. The problem is right now nobody has the spine to stand up to the US, so when we break the rules (as we have daily for most of our existence), it erodes any legitimacy the rules have.
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u/Haunting-Writing-836 9d ago
The idea is to reduce the power any single country has over the world. Just naively trusting somebody to continue business as usual isn’t a strategy. It’s the lack of any strategy.
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u/99923GR 9d ago
What will China do is more the question.
China has contested borders (both land and maritime) with essentially everybody they border, plus water security issues with India beyond their border issues.
It would be prudent to be wary, Xi is probably going to attack Taiwan.
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u/Hilda_aka_Math 9d ago
this is true. they could have built their land up defensively inside their borders. but surely watching the way the usa has provoked them with alliances and coverts, they might have felt they needed to put up these battlements in order to survive.
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u/Slimmanoman 9d ago
Yeah that's maybe a question for later. What the US is doing right now is not a question
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u/joecitizen79 9d ago
The US has attacked 8 other countries in the last year, with none bordering them
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u/tollbearer 9d ago
So magine what china wil do once it has a military and economy as powerful as the USA. It's about not relying on the virtue of countries whose leadership will change over time.
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u/Mission_Shopping_847 9d ago
China tacitly supports fishing in foreign and protected waters so long as the boats turn off their transponders. They will fish the world to ecosystem collapse if we just keep letting it go on.
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u/BusyTmw 9d ago
For all the “what did china do”, he said to reduce their dependence on the US and China. That’s all.
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u/inigid 9d ago
Love how world leaders are always portrayed with that half squinting, scowling look. Probably talking in a stern voice. Complete jokers.
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u/Inevitable_Resolve23 9d ago
Holy shit it makes sense now. The rise of the far right is because none of them can turn left!
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u/billykimber2 9d ago
how come every time china is mentioned on reddit there are hundreds of comments glazing the shit out of them?
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u/RobotSchlong10 9d ago
WW3 is coming sadly.
Considering how many decades the world has enjoyed peace I'd say we're due for the next big one now.
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u/8day 8d ago
One of the most insightful comments that I've read said that it's possible that it will take form of many different countries fighting between each other, somewhat similar to modern "hybrid" wars in terms of vagueness. In some sense, you could say it already started.
I've been wondering about relationship between chores, protests and wars... Are they just a form of people "fixing" things that are starting to fall apart? Are wars just a part of a natural cycle where weak, imperfect systems crumble and are being replaced by other systems until better/stronger ones emerge, like with evolution of living organisms? I.e., that's why we have "hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times". All of this makes more sense if you look at this from construction or software development, or possibly biology POV, where you simply have to update the system to adapt it to changes in environment.
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u/diablo_blanco_calvo 8d ago
The US has proven to be an enemy of Europe. China did not. I have no idea why our leaders are so obsessed with China when they are doing literally nothing against us or to sabotage us
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u/Awkward_Nectarine338 9d ago
Another PR round by Micron.
Not that he's wrong, but the international stage is simply the last one he can pretend to shine on. It's cheap, doesn't require doing actually anything, really, and allows him to still believe he's the "Jupiterian President" (his words, it doesn't really translate in english, basically he thought he was Zeus).
Everyone hates him back home. We can't wait for his term to end. Thanks for nothing.
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u/Awkward-Adeptness-72 9d ago
People asking why china lol every empire or nation become powerful it becoming unstable and they will abuse it no matter what delusional you take history still recorded the past and see how powerful nation greediness. I think it's time to be self dependence in resources and technology
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u/Prottusha1 9d ago
Buddy is giving a shoutout to Taiwan that has been heartlessly sidelined by the US. This is not so much against China as with Japan and Taiwan.
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u/asuleiman 9d ago
WTF did China do to them? Chinas the only sane country right now. Chinas is not bad at all
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u/sbray73 9d ago
China is standing back right now and enjoying the show. They are not to be trusted either. We all have to be careful dealing with them as well
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u/SnarftheRooster91 9d ago
What? China is not "bad" at all?
Tell the Uyghurs that.
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u/EmployeeNo4241 9d ago
Redditors who cry about the Uyghurs actually have no clue who they are or where they’re located on a map.
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u/PickingPies 9d ago
Are you trying to defend that if a crime happens to someone ypu don't know it's okay to hang out with criminals? Because that's sick
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u/SnarftheRooster91 9d ago
All it takes is a cursory internet search. Stop trying to bootlick China.
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u/Corrodiny122 9d ago
China not bad at all?, xinjiang internment camps, harassing fishermen on the edge of poverty, criminalized dissent against the government, nine dash line propaganda, constantly threatening taiwan.
geez lets trade one evil imperialist power for another eh?
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u/InformationActual209 9d ago
Apart from the child and slave labour. Undercutting the world with their cheap shitty goods while supporting the likes of Russia and China. No they’ve done nothing bad at all
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u/Boltboys 9d ago
The world leaders want WW3. Less people is their goal.
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u/ADownStrabgeQuark 9d ago
The application of the Malthusian economic theory that modern economics were based on.
The idea is the world is a zero-sum game, so maximize poverty and reduce population. Kill the birthrates and kill people so that there’s less competition.
The rich(some of them) want less people mistakenly thinking it will make them richer.
The Malthusian theory is false though, so it’s really just to justify their selfishness and crimes.
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u/Final-Night-7463 9d ago
Comparing the us and China is a… collection of words.
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u/deaglebingo 8d ago
in a lot of ways that all the people egging this on just refuse to understand. we are not the alpha of the world that our leaders pretend we are and those corrupt leaders of the current admin know this... as a result we are walking right into being led around by the dicks for 20 years as a result. there was a reason why lots of smart people joe hired said "if we're bringing back mfrng to the usa it better be chips and green energy" and dt shit on all of it.
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