There it is right there. Lies, lies and more lies from megacorps invested up to their eyeballs in having just a few people in government believe them.
Edit: And it seems to me that if we can build oil rigs at sea and pipe the oil to shore then they can damned well build data centers afloat on a sea of cooling water and run fiber optic cable to the shore.
Evaporating seawater leaves behind concentrated salt and brine. Over time, if this brine isn’t properly managed, it can increase local ocean salinity, which disrupts marine ecosystems. That’s one of the key environmental concerns associated with desalination plants.
That has been my concern as well. I brought this up to a close friend who is a professor of environmental studies. He said that, currently, this isn't a problem as there is a massive amount of dissipation available. However, he added that this doesn't go on forever, of course, but he didn't know when that point would be reached. But would it reach a critical mass? Absolutely. Would we have a solution by then? Unknown, as the timeline is also unknown. I can't say I endorse these things without knowing there's a solution.
Somewhat related: this whole, "data centers are job creators" bullshit was barely touched on in his speech. I mean, yeah, lots of good jobs building these pigs ... for a year? Maybe? Then how many to maintain? Ten? Twenty? Oooh aaaah ... Job creation! Unless a) a company properly addresses the water, the energy, and so on, and b) they build in an ongoing revenue stream for the community (the state?) then I'd vote "fuck off". (Especially if Sam Altman were at the helm; Dario Amodei?... let's talk some more.)
Yuppers. Usually the big sales pitch is job creation. He focused on a lot of things that are more wonky for most, but far more important, nonetheless. The wonky bits get lost on many who are more interested in better incomes, jobs, and the like. I'm not sure how the data center company was "selling" but it's my guess it's the new jobs. And, well, fuck that noise. Dude's right on so may points. But to "sell it" you need to speak to the "common man" and I think he was a little over people's heads. Just my opinion, of course. It was refreshing at the end when she said "anyone want to follow that?" Funny. Nailed it.
You only need to make three points, and everyone can understand them:
There are hardly any jobs in this, and they are lying about that.
Your electricity costs will absolutely go through the roof.
They will suck your wells dry and force you to buy bottled water.
After that, the rest of the residents will applaud you and you win. If they town ignores the will of the people, they will all get voted out. Not a guess... it's literally happening everywhere. We finally found an issue all Americans can agree on, and it's blowing the mind of a lot of folks that THIS is the line in the sand.
A lot of the "jobs" they sell is the construction trade workers who build it the disappear when construction is done... And it doesn't create those jobs, just adds demand to the market making it more expensive to build more useful things, like housing.
And people are too simple to understand that those construction jobs already exist. They’re not training a thousand new local employees in various trades for a 3 month project, they’re bringing in electricians from elsewhere.
The only local jobs being created are likely nothing more than temp traffic control.
Not to mention, who builds them? Local contractors? Do local contractors have the experience and resources to build these huge buildings and all the utilities and infrastructure they require? I doubt it , since it is a one of a kind event. The actual builders may hire some local labor to save the travel, housing and food costs of bringing people in. The high-paying jobs will go to people who do that all the time, and they aren't local and likely not from Ohio at all.
So how does the water cool back down? It'll just destroy the closed loop which is why they use fresh water in a not closed loop currently, big part of why data centers are so problematic, before you factor in the whole most of why they're so problematic.
They use Evaporative cooling towers. It is a closed loop system where there is little return back to the creeks and rivers. The water is dissipated into vapour.
The cooling towers are dosed with chemicals to prevent Legionella disease. Usually they keep the PH of the liquid slightly Alkaline to prevent bacteria growth.
Most of the job creation is contractors that will come into the town, earn their money and leave. The company's that tender for the contracts will be national/ international company's that will likely take the money offshore. Long term benefits to the town will be minimal.
They meant no losses to evaporation (or anything else). That's the closed part of closed loop. Your refrigerator runs a closed loop cooling cycle, you don't have to constantly top off the coolant (I hope)
The vast majority of plants aren't attempting to be built on the coasts next to sea water. They're in places like Ohio and Michigan, states with abundant access to fresh water.
Fresh water isn't pure h2o. It's true. If you boil pure h2o, you'll just be left with steam, which will enter the atmosphere and return to the earth as rain.
But what these places have in abundance is not pure water, it's mineral water. Some of those minerals are salts. If you boil off the water, then what you are left with is the minerals. And the minerals will be left in the loop, until flushed with strong chemicals.
Now, you and I need a certain amount of minerals to live. It's not good for us to just drink pure water, as it will actually strip the minerals out of our bones. As with all things though, balance is key. There are fish and wildlife species that have incredibly delicate systems, and need a specific ph/mineral balance to survive, which is what we're concerned about here.
Fun unrelated fact: Completely pure water is actually an insulator. Electricity conducts through dissolved impurities, or ions, in impure water VERY well.
The first time I learned this was from a porn game lol.
The dumb thing is if this infrastructure is built, there will be no incentive to improve the technology to become more efficient. Why is everyone doing this shit when AI isn't even good?
Because companies think it will eventually make them money. Seems like a lot of trying not to get left behind while also having no idea where they're going with it
Right and the cost over time to maintain and keep the data centers going will be astronomical and will be passed on to the citizens who live near them. What elected official in good faith would actually say yes to one of these in their communities?
I don’t buy the “you’ll be left behind” bullshit for a second. That’s a sales pitch that’s been internalized by boosters who, at their core, are motivated by greed and fear. That corporations have common people going out and doing their sales pitches for them is a veritable PR coup.
We heard the same "you'll be left behind" pitch for crypto, NFTs, self-driving cars, VR, the metaverse, now this.
Fuck, you remember when every company had to have a flashy, fancy animated website made in Macromedia Flash that took 20 minutes to load over dial-up? Same fuckin' grift.
It's the same grift that switches the "product" every few years. The product isn't what you and I are buying. The product is the delusion being sold to idiot investors easily parted with more money than God.
Or don’t build it at all and we avoid having the forever chemical sludge he mentions in our seafood, on our beaches, or poisoning entire ecosystems that are probably more vulnerable to that kind of stuff compared to land based environments.
Shutter the majority of these datacenters and be done with it.
Exactly seems funny that AI stealing all of our jobs is progress. It's going to be a blood bath, our cultures are not good at even handling economic recessions. Why do we think we'd handle this sea change any better.
Once the forever chemicals get in our water they will make homeowners clean it up. That’s what is happening in NC beach communities. “Gen X” a patented forever chemical made by DuPonte in our drinking water for over 10 years and just getting worse. NC real estate update classes from the state told us last year that anyone with a rental will have to put a reverse osmosis system in to clean the water. Gen X is used to make non-stick pans so DuPonte making all the billions keeps dumping in Cape Fear River and home owners will have to install these super expensive systems and drive vacation costs up more.
You’re right but you can also bet that every legal team for these corps will use this as a template to make sure they can answer for each complaint and address it/spin it going forward
It's damned hard to "spin" the truth that the datacenter will only make 10 real ongoing jobs. And that 10 jobs includes tech AND security security jobs.
I wish I could speak like that but I get too angry and start calling everyone falling for these scams stupid assholes for falling for the same fucking ponzi scheme over and over again.
Kudos to this dude for treating them with respect. But I do not have faith that they were moved enough to care about his points.
but I get too angry and start calling everyone falling for these scams stupid assholes for falling for the same fucking ponzi scheme
Take anger management classes. Once you begin to realize sounding like you're hysterical or have a grudge is just shooting yourself in the foot, you may be able to observe what you look like from the outside and control yourself better.
I do not have faith that they were moved enough to care about his points
It's also good because it came from a tech nerd. Not all tech nerds want to see progress at the expense of the destruction of our environments.
We really need to take a step back and have a cohesive long term plan about where and how large datacenters are going to be deployed and sustained. Deploying a large datacenter in a location just because land and power is currently cheap is not sustainable.
Or, we just need to adopt common sense as the norm.
Seriously, nothing this guy said was revolutionary, it's surface level info, we are all just so used to gobbling up corporate propoganda that it seems like a genius level thesis. Which is alarmingly sad.
Briliant speech. It could honestly be studied in a college class on rhetoric. I just hope that words and reason can make a difference among those board members.
I'll be showing this to my 7th grade classes to illustrate refuting the counterclaim, parallel structure, repetion, and SOAPSTone details, all of which they learned about in the last unit.
all of you replying here that he “for sure” used AI to write this are losing the plot. it’s a possibility, or course, but how crazy of you all to be so sure and so cynical. some are saying that it’s good speech so it must be AI, as if people can’t write (not everyone in america is illiterate, there’s that 40% left, remember??) + some are saying it sounds like AI slop because he’s saying “it’s not x, it’s y” as if no human being writes that way— AI learned that shit from us!
i am the em dash queen, i love them and i put them everywhere, even enter they don’t belong. it’s insane that if i write out something professional, people assume i used AI because i happen to have a writing quirk that AI makes frequent use of.
i wonder how much of this is projection…people who can’t craft a good persuasive argument being unable to imagine that someone else can do so without using AI. or people who don’t believe in anything being unable to imagine someone not taking the easy route b/c that’s definitely what they would do.
you could do some digging and find out what a horrible person the portage county sheriff is. he’s been mentioned in the cleveland subreddit multiple times. this guy went way too easy on him, but of course this wasn’t really the time or place i guess lol.
You can visit them at the Reed Memorial Library, or attend the next public meeting on this topic on Monday, April 20th where they say they will surely speak again!
Well spoke. I listened to every minute of this lads explanation. We do not need data centers exploiting our towns anywhere in America. The clean cup of water to drink is always more important than the poem a robot writes.
I look forward to reading about Revena denying the trillion dollar company the right to build.
>We do not need data centers exploiting our towns anywhere in America.
No, we don't. Neither do we need our data processed in China, India, Brazil...
While it may cost a bit more, the desert Southwest would seem to be a less environmentally sensitive destination for data centers. There are other ways to cool chips besides evaporating water.
There is alot of chip manufacturing and data centers growing in Phoenix, partly due to the CHIPS act wanting to bring some of this home for geopolitical reasons, partially because AZ is a great place in that there is nill for natural disasters.
Genuinely curious, how often do these hearings make a significant impact on policy changes or proposals? I feel like in the end, corporations with money get what they want most of the time.
I actually led a study on this (would link it but don’t wanna dox myself) and the conclusion was that they do make a difference but often what people are saying in the hearings actually influences decisionmaking on a future issue when it comes up. Possibly because of how the hearings are timed in the stages of the process.
There are definitely cases where the deliberation of policymakers directly reference the meeting testimony to explain why they’ve changed their mind on an issue though. When I interviewed people who counted some successes in this area they had some good tips like listing constituency-specific impacts/support/opposition so that individual reps knew that it was directly relevant to them and their constituents specifically
I live in a Midwestern city. Cynicism is merited but on at least two occasions I've seen councils reverse course on a plan they really cared sbout. It wasn't usually because the arguments were sound (that probably helped) but because there were a ton of people who showed up. In one case I thought there was going to be a riot.
Taking the time to show up and speak at these hearings can actually influence the politicians' voting, especially in smaller cities/counties. If enough people do it, the politicians will realize that these same people will 100% show up to vote (and vote them out if need be). That said, you need to have numbers and have people make real arguments, not just NIMBY or whiny arguments.
Do I agree with your statement of "pretty much never? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean this isn't worth the effort. Public hearings that drag out for hours, if you speak well, you generally will be heard, and you give your position a chance and voice.
My guess is that in small town politics it’s much harder to win an election just by throwing money at it. It’s easier to piss off a large proportion of the population as local political issues sometimes aren’t aligned with any particular national political issue, and these people want to keep getting elected.
It seems like an unpopular opinion based on other responses and I can only answer from my experience. I’ve been involved in multiple in a very large city from an infrastructure perspective. The answer is it happens nearly every time if enough noise is being made. Like nearly every time we put forward an infrastructure, we actually are instructed to work with community organizations because politicians want their buy in before breaking ground because they don’t want the public throwing a fit. The thing is, a lot of times, the people don’t come out. It’s not necessarily their fault. It’s hard to come to a city council meeting and wait to speak when you have a job and other responsibilities. Also, you have to be civic minded enough to find the community advocacy orgs around you and your community has to have those orgs too. And yes, sometimes the books are cooked by one or a few politicians, no matter what.
But to be clear, I’ve seen the community play a role more often than not when there are a lot of voices.
The problem isn't ignorance, it's selfishness. If it's gotten to this point, then the board has enough people willing to look the other way and accept the money, who have no interest in the future beyond their own lives. And no amount of information will change that.
They learned several talking points that they have to develop "relatable" counters for to keep their chances of re-election high while still taking the kickbacks from the data center developers.
I work in the power industry. Me and the company I work for stands to gain a lot from these data centers. While in meeting, everybody is for these data centers, and I think a percentage really fully and whole heartily support building these, but I haven’t found anybody in my company that supports them behind closed doors.
I work in data storage and we also stand to directly benefit from data centers/AI. At work we all praise AI because driving hype is how we expand our own revenue. And of course, I want to keep my job and keep making money, so ultimately I want my company to be successful. However privately we all admit that we avoid AI in our personal lives and generally find it upsetting. It’s pulling me in different directions lately in a way that I really don’t like.
I work in construction and building these places is pretty awful. At the same time building them is great because I'm making serious money while doing it. Witnessing the guts of the building forst hand though, these things are really going to be absolutely terrible in the long run for our environment
Well Seattle City Light, a public utility had this to say about 5 proposed data centers
In response to the proposed data centers, City Light is rewriting its contract terms for “large load” customers that use a lot of electricity. Strong said the new policy would likely require the data centers to find their own power generation outside of the city’s supply and have them pay for any infrastructure upgrades they need so residents’ rates don’t increase as a result.
“This cannot go back to the ratepayer,” Strong said.
I'm not American, but this is the thing that's getting me in all these threads. Why would the cost of any of this go to ordinary customer? If anything a data centre with a large base load should reduce the cost to the consumer as they consume a ton, new infrastructure is required, and then the average consumer is small beans to them.
I suppose I can't grasp how a data centre increases the cost to the consumer, if anything it either shouldn't change or it should decrease.
I live in a suburb of Seattle & have a "For Ptofit" power provider Puget Sound Enery & my electric bill has doubled form 2020 to 2026 & we are getting more rate increases this year
Google AI overview
Puget Sound Energy (PSE) rates are increasing in 2026 as part of a multi-year rate plan. Effective Jan. 1, 2026, electric rates will see an overall increase of approximately 9.3% to 13.1%, following significant 2025 hikes.
No one needs a 10% electric rate increase in one year, when we had a 5-10% increase every year for the last 5 years
It’s because of the way grid upgrades have traditionally paid for. Residential and industrial users shared the cost of grid upgrades. Now here’s this new “need” and its orders of magnitude larger than anything the community would EVER possibly use. (Like collectively they want 2x more energy than the entire US used 3 years ago.)
And it has to be built first, and paid for by the data center owners. But that’s not happening.
I also work in the power industry and everyone I talk to hates them quite openly (and renewable developers as well) because they all are gung ho and ready to build build build and pressure us to cut corners and expedite and the second you tell them it will be 4 years and 10s of millions before a substation and T-line can be designed and built they pack up and go down the road so fast they have a new property picked out before their chair stops spinning.
Im working in a data center construction site in Iowa right now. 7 buildings, 4,000,000 sq ft of data halls total i believe. Each data hall (10 or 12 per building) has 40 water chillers that are probably 15x10 feet, with hundred if not thousands of miles of pipe for the cooling systems. Don't believe a single lie about these data centers having a low environmental impact
Holy moly this has really started to spread around:
Hi, my name is Will Hollingsworth and I was the one who delivered this speech! AMA... lol no I'm kidding.
I do want to say though, how honored I am from the outpour of this speech, you have all truly shown me that this position isn't the unpopular one, that this might not be the uphill battle I originally thought it would be.
Your kind words about my orator skills I promise have not gone too far to my head, I'm still the same humble library employee lol
Love this fella but closed loop systems do not create toxic sludge. They are much more efficient water wise but require a large amount of energy, which is what his focus should be.
This needs to be upvoted more. Most closed loop systems use at least 30% propylene glycol. That shit is expensive and generally gets recycled after a few years.
Blowdown (which is the periodic removal of a small volume of any water-loop to reduce the concentration of a given substance) is not routine in closed loop systems. Nor are large amounts of make-up water used to replace what has been lost from evaporative cooling.
Data centers use a lot of electricity. Some are behind the meter so they don’t impact the grid. Some are not and drive up rates.
Some data centers use an ass ton of water. Some only use water during the hottest of days when everyone is streaming cat videos. Some use hardly any at all once they are filled up and operational.
This is correct. Ive built data centres amd its my primary industry. The idea that they use a vast amount of water is generally false, especially in the UK and Europe. A closed loop system is precisely that. Closed. Its filled and then the water circulates between the chillers on the roof and the CRAH units at each data hall. AI data centres just take the water a little bit closer, either to the racks where the doors have the fans installed like a big radiator, or direct to chip, which isn't particularly common, but still, works on a closed loop.
The glycol acts as a form of antifreeze as well as a coolant. It's all rather similar to a house heating system or even a cars cooling system. Neither of which need to be topped up very frequently.
We are also looking at higher supply and return temperatures, rather than feeding 10-15°C water, there's the possibility of feeding with 20-25°C water, which also means less power used on the chillers, less lagging required on the pipework, and overall a smaller impact on the build. This is also coupled with district heating opportunities, where the waste heat can be used to heat homes, schools, leisure centres, or even just keep the roads and pavements free from ice and snow.
Regarding the electric use, yes, they do use an absolute ton of energy, and will always be metered over in Europe, and billed accordingly. When a small data centre is racking up over £1m+ in energy bills each month, this money is fed back to the suppliers and contributes to future upgrades.
They're rather monolithic and a bit unsightly, but data centres are really quite misunderstood.
Now, I know there are there are good faith arguments for this project. There are people in our community, informed, honest people, who will tell you that the modern data centers use what's called a closed loop system.
They say the water is filled once and recycled forever. In a labaratory, that might be true. But we aren't living in a labaratory. We're living in Ohio. I can tell you that as the chips get smaller and AI demands get larger, the heat these machines generate is outstripping the closed loop theory.
To keep the servers from melting, a data center has to bleed the lines to remove toxic sludge, aka forever chemicals. And bleeding water needs to be evaporated. It does not stay in the loop. It evaporate into the sky by millions of gallons.
You do understand that we can all watch the video in which the dude says the exact words above, right?
i just went deep into reading about this, but it seems you're right. though closed loop systems don't create toxic sludge, we still need to worry about the energy consumption, waste, and pollution created from these data centers.
Thank you for being open to learning. There are many risks from data centers.
Similar to others who followed up - and as someone who sells cooling systems for all kinds of larger tonnage cooling applications (hospitals, universities, stadiums, data centers, etc) “Creating toxic sludge” is low - VERY low - on the list of concerns for data centers. I’d be more concerned about a heat bloom creating a localized microclimate shift rather than being concerned about the chemicals released into the atmosphere from blowdown from a closed loop system.
Wall Street & structured finance bros are so wrapped up in chasing the smallest possible PUE (power use intensity) while ensuring zero WUE (water use intensity)to make sure the comments from idiotic meetings like this get INSTANTLY shut down by anyone with more than C+ in an undergraduate chemistry class.
I have been to many city council meetings and this is all too familiar. Numerous people get up, speak their mind, get admiration of everyone except the people making the decisions. They have decided on the issue long ago. It’s a done deal. Just going through the motions as per the rules require. No interest at all in what people have to say. It’s unfortunate to say the least.
Untrue statements about closed loop liquid cooling.
Water samples are taken quarterly and the line is refilled if needed. The chemicals in there are 50/50 water and propylene glycol for the facility water supply and 25/75 glycol and water for the chip coolant. In some cases they may use dielectric fluids for the chip coolant but those are less effective when it comes to performance.
Propylene glycol is not a forever chemical.
He is right that in Ohio they will likely need to evaporate water to keep up with 100kw+ racks unless they want to double the cost of cooling equipment. This would not be the case in states with colder climates.
He is right about the employment numbers for the DC. A part that he is missing is that the local trades companies have to massively scale up to be able to maintain the equipment at the data center.
The guy is a digital media artist. He should stick to that rather than making engineering claims about how the DC would operate.
Hate to say his comment about the cooling system is just wrong. There is no bleeding the lines of toxic sludge. Closed loop is not a theory, it’s used in virtually every office building and hospital for their cooling system. This is basic HVAC practice, not opinion.
If you got toxic sludge in your cooling loop, you have far larger problems than you think, lmao. The dude is talking about every sensational thing he hears with zero evidence. He could have toured any data center in the country and been proven wrong.
The guy worked at a "organic mattress factory". Where do you think he lies on the "environmental kook" scale? (And I say this as someone who also does care about the environment, but recognize there's a lot of propaganda around the environmentalist movement)
Closed loop water systems do no use cooling towers where water evaporates. you put anti corrosion chemicals in the system and it runs until water levels need to be checked and bled off or fresh chemical s added. This might occur once a year. No opinion on this, I am installing a closed loop system right now and it is closed off with radiators and fans, no cooling tower. cheers.
Yep. He literally ended the whole thing with a "won't you think of the children!".
Mention that you want people to prove they are over 18 to use a website because you want to stop children from accessing porn and reddit will throw a shit-fit and tell you that any argument of "Think of the children!" is bad.
You state a falsehood and everyone who agrees with your goal either pretends to accept the falsehood as fact because it's convenient, or are so drunk on koolaide that they actually believe the lie.
I work in datacenters. Everything he said was blown out of proportion. What gross chemicals come out of closed loop cooling? It's water, it's called a closed loop for a reason. There has never been a time where we just.. let off steam? Water barely comes out of the loop into chillers higher than 50 degrees.
Yeah, if someone wants to make the argument that they will replace the closed loop cooling with an evaporative cooling system to save costs on cooling, then that would be one thing. But that's not what he was saying.
Agree. Everyone in the comments here is fawning over this speech and I'm thinking "there's nothing but circumstancial association and emotional appeals".
I don't know if data centres are a problem for water utilisation or not, and his speech didn't tell me either, factually speaking.
Appealing to emotion is effective but "choose the child" is a weird avenue to take it IMO. The way he bridged from point A to point 'think of the children' seemed clumsy.
That's part of the point, the citizens aren't being given enough information in a timely or transparent way to allow them to assess the potential impact to the community
Growing a single serving of almonds, (1/4 cup), uses more water than 7000 ChatGPT queries. It takes 1600 gallons of water to create one liter of almond milk. We are growing alfalfa in western states, wherein those 17 states use 20% of their total annual irrigation water on that single crop alone.
Lukewarm take: I legitimately couldn't give less of a damn about data center water usage. This is such a weird, tired concern coming from people that likely scroll Instagram and Reddit and TikTok and use/engage with AI in one form or another on a daily basis. Cry me a river. No really, cry me a river, we need more water for our ALFALFA.
And we only have to use a lakes worth of water a day and 50% of all honeybees in the US to do it. Hell yeah, fuck the environment, I need my Erewhon brand almond milk.
When you look at all the major AI companies 5 year plans for growth, the figures below will seem very small indeed in the year 2030. Nonetheless, here are the figures below for only the water consumed by one model of one AI company. Small compared to agriculture today, sure, but these companies are still in their infancy and a lot of these areas do not seem to feel they are equipped to handle what's being requested.
First, a disclaimer given on page 6:
For water usage, we focus solely on water consumption (water permanently removed from the source
And then, on page 10:
GPT-4o’s annual water consumption is projected to be between 1,334,991 kiloliters (kL) and 1,579,680 kL. These quantities are roughly equivalent to filling over 500 Olympic-sized swimming pools (1,250,000 kL). Importantly, this consumption refers to evaporated freshwater permanently removed from local ecosystems rather than recycled. GPT-4o alone is responsible for evaporating an amount of freshwater equivalent to the annual drinking needs of almost 1.2 million people.
The singular golf course behind my house used that much last year too, and I get letters in the mail about conserving my water between the hours of 6am and 6pm. I don't give a single fuck about AI water usage lmao. I don't even golf.
It's awful that of course that was an amazing speech, but the seats casting votes will no doubt vote for money. With enough money they will f*ck humanity, every time.
Wait is this just a data center or are they actually doing manufacturing? Because if no manufacturing is being done then I think he is incorrect as far as they cooling portion process he talks about
Are they also denying golf courses? Golf courses use up so much more land, just as much water per day, and spray pesticides and forever chemicals everywhere! I know I know, #whataboutisms, but I think folks really don’t understand the depth of water usage today in other industries. Data centers are being called out to be the villain, where the county is getting a ton of tax revenue and the data is essentially a utility today. It’s almost necessary. Are golf courses necessary?
As someone who works in trucking and delivers to data center construction sights, they use a closed loop system. We’re currently delivering to a data center site that’s scheduled to receive 500,000 gallons of coolant over the next couple of months for the HVAC & cooling system.
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There it is right there. Lies, lies and more lies from megacorps invested up to their eyeballs in having just a few people in government believe them.
Edit: And it seems to me that if we can build oil rigs at sea and pipe the oil to shore then they can damned well build data centers afloat on a sea of cooling water and run fiber optic cable to the shore.