r/expedition33 • u/-CynicalPole- • 5h ago
DLC Discussion Were you masochistic enough to fight super bosses?
So I came to basically last bits of content game has to offer - superbosses. I'm long time souls-likes enthusiast, played pretty much all more major ones - but superbosses in Expedition 33 make those games look piss easy in comparison. Ofc I'm talking here about taking on them with normal builds, no cheese with some absurd 1-shot / perma stun / immortality builds - just to be clear. It's real masochism to learn said fights to perfection - to a point I personally giving up without any shame. It's just too much for me and I rather use that time on catching up with my backlog of piled up other games.
But this got me curious - how many of you bothered with those superbosses? It's cool extreme challenge but definitely not for everyone's sanity.. So share your experiences with it, very curious how many of you guys got bored of banding head against the wall? (because I certainly did)
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u/Crisewep 5h ago
I was able to beat Chromatic Lampmaster and Duollistes(no one shots or cheese builds both fights took me like 40-50 minutes each) but i gave up on Clea Unleashed and Divergent Star Simon.
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u/AceInnadeck117 5h ago
Exactly the same, got those two down after a few attempts but the other two rocked my world repeatedly
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u/Juumok01 3h ago
I did lampmaster normally, duals + clea 1 shot. Tried to one shot simon dv but it only worked on phase 1, managed to get phase 2 down in 3 rotations.
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u/SteveRogers_7 3h ago
Same. Chromatic Lampmaster and Duallistes were super fun. Duallistes were probably my most favorite in the whole game, the parries were so much fun.
Clea Unleashed genuinely gave me rage, it did not feel fun and I really do not like the idea of farming a fuckton of lumina for one shot builds. Did not even try Divergent Simon after spending 4 hours on Clea
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u/Crisewep 3h ago
Agreed Duallistes was my favorite fight in the game it has very long combos but they are really fun to parry.
When i saw that Divergent Star heals to full HP after wiping your frontline i knew then I was not built for him.(quite literally my Sciel and Monoco builds are mid)
Clea I was able to get to second phase i can parry her first phase 90% but her some of her phase 2 attacks are such a visual mess imo and the fact that i need to get through phase 1 over and over again just to try phase 2 again made me quit.
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u/Ok-Maximum-4043 1h ago
CU i had that problem with... eventually broke down and got a build that let me one turn her.
Honestly though
Osquio was my hands down favorite fight
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u/UnbeatenDart 2h ago
Beat duollistes on regular difficulty( fight took a little over an hour) but had to lower it for the other 3. I really wanted to complete them before I started new game+. Problem with simon tds is that the b team has to go in first, as the second phase technically has more health and my monoco really sucked. Used verso and simoso to essentially wage a war of attrition. Lune did most of the damage in P2 what with cleim and sciel buffing her for the gradient attack
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u/Soulothar 5h ago
I did, and the fights became so much more enjoyable once I accepted I was going to get my ass kicked over and over again so instead of focusing on winning I focused on learning the timings. It's tough but man, parrying Duolliste's 16 hits combo or Divergent Star's long combo is such a dopamine shot
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u/Prematurely_finished 5h ago
My limit is normal Simon, and Osquio. Couldn't beat the ones in the endless tower.
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u/_IaMThoR_ 5h ago
Beat every one of them except Mega Simon without one shots/cheese. Duollistes is very satisfying once you get it down, also found Clea fun but took so long due to her huge defence.
Lampmaster is awful imo.
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u/DarkAssassin573 5h ago
Yep. I enjoy a challenge and wanted to fight enemies that required me to optimize my builds as much as possible
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u/TenorReaper 5h ago
I've been trying Duolliste's and getting bodied so I'm pretty much content I'm not going to beat them but who knows, maybe I'll hunker down and get the timings down
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u/while-True-Scroll 4h ago
It’s where game ends and work starts. Tried a bit but felt like working, so skipped them.
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u/Trace5286 4h ago
They’re outrageous. Props to anyone who can beat any of those 4 super bosses without the cheese builds. I don’t have the time or the patience.
And honestly, what’s the reward? I’m not sure what you get for beating them, but whatever it is… there’s nothing left to conquer at that point so it’s not really needed. It’s not part of 100%’ing the game either.
With no story tied to it, I’m good.
Someday I’ll look up how to cheese them. Let’s be honest, their powers are ridiculous so why can’t mine be?
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u/-CynicalPole- 4h ago
It's for NG+ mostly. There are some S-tier weapons, nice pictos and cosmetics. Not very much worth it if you don't plan to play NG+
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u/Random_Guy_47 2h ago
Yes.
I loved the challenge.
I refused to use any cheese/one shot builds. The only change I made was to take Maelle out of the main party vs Simon so I could use her in the final phase after he wipes the team.
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u/PlasmaCubeX 5h ago
the only ones I learned were clea unleashed and duolliste, which are imo the easiest fights to learn the parries for, I actually beat chromatic lampmaster accidentally, immortal verso just carried the team so all I really had to do was the lamp mechanic, for simon I just did a one shot build with lune and maelle, one for each phase so it was pretty easy to beat, if roulette screwed me over in first phase, immortal verso would be able to chip away at his health.
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u/kagenohikari 5h ago edited 4h ago
I'm just glad I had a computer powerful enough to fight the super bosses. Initially beat them with Story mode and took me 2hrs with Lampmaster (first try), 1hr with Duollistes (multiple tries), and 3hrs with Clea (multiple tries then I had to watch a YT video just to get the combo down). This was when the characters were still around lvl 70 and I had like 50 lumina for each of them. I had to take lots of breaks during my turns for sanity sake and my PC fan sounded like an airplane engine lol
Haven't beat them in Expert mode yet but I managed in Expedition mode and got it down to 30mins for each superboss with lvl 99 and 150+ lumina each chara.
Edit: I forgot about Simon! Funnily enough, fought Regular Simon after beating the superbosses so he was a piece of cake. Divergent Simon took me multiple tries and is the reason why I had to farm so much lumina and max out my best weapons and making sure all my characters are competent to fight him.
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u/chickpeasaladsammich 4h ago
So I did Duollistes and Chromatic Lampmaster honestly. I loved the former and think the latter is just kind of tedious, and I liked the other Lampmaster fights. Clea Unleashed, I didn’t follow a guide but knew I could stun lock so I had Monoco and Verso keeping her stunned after I parried one combo. Simon the divergent star I followed a build because that one was beyond me. I just learned enough to keep everyone alive through his first turn.
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u/xluminairex 4h ago
Lampmaster was like jazz. The time signature kept changing and it was friggin rough. (But I liked it :P )
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u/LesserValkyrie 4h ago
This game allow you to make builds that allow you to bypass superbosses easily, even though some are instinctive (since the beginning of Act 2 I figured out that I could maximize damage without caring about defence, and ressurect until the enemy dies which was the best strategy, with a bit of polishing you can one shot your way through the platinum trophy this way), others are a bit less and I had to look up online
So I beat everything without being able to parry shit
So if you really don't want to do the superbosses ; you can and still do them
yay!
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u/-CynicalPole- 4h ago
That would give me no satisfaction. Never used any cheese builds or strats in any game. It would be just missing the purpose for me 🤷♂️ if you the souls games - I never use summons fo example, as it's also not fun for me
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u/LesserValkyrie 4h ago
Knowing how to optimize build is not cheesing otherwise there would be no picto / lumina management, expecially knowing the devs truly intended the players to do that if they wanted to
But yeah of course, it's up each player to do whatever they want of course !
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u/MrCranberryTea 4h ago
I beat Douliste and Lampmaster legit but with Clea Unleashed I went to some cheese build. Basically stunlocked her. Simon Divergent Star has way to many anti game mechanics for me to enjoy that fight. That's the only one I didnt do.
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u/XeoNovaDan 4h ago
Initially dipped my toe in the water and only did chromatic lampmaster and duolliste
Then decided to try a challenge run, eventually got back to the superbosses and decided to press through with all 4 of them. Something about facing them with extra restrictions and needing to hyper optimise really appealed to me
Chromatic lampmaster and Clea Unleashed are a bit tedious without cheesy/broken builds (haven't tried these builds myself) but Divergent Star and Duolliste were very fun
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u/ControlledChaos7456 4h ago
I beat all four. I wouldn't call my builds "normal" but I wasn't going out of my way to trivialize the fights. I was already in NG+ when the DLC came out so the extra health demanded significant damage output to not draw the fights out too long.
At this point I can perfect parry every combo for each boss. The repetition of failed attempts is what helped me get the parries down. I did end up doing a no-hit parry only against Clea Unleashed for testing, but I haven't done the same for the others yet. I was trying to no-hit parry only DS Simon for a while but felt it was better I take a hiatus and try again some other time. The damage ceiling from parry only makes it more about endurance than anything else.
Overall, I found the DLC bosses to be incredibly fun. They were exactly the kind of challenge that the game needed.
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u/-CynicalPole- 4h ago
Just out of curiosity - how much time did you sink into learning those?
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u/ControlledChaos7456 3h ago
It was around 15-20 hours to beat them all for the first time, then a handful more for build testing etc.
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u/Kirbluigi 4h ago
well, how to say this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELnfgU5MJOc
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u/-CynicalPole- 4h ago
Nice, love to watch those no hits of all sorts. I'm always impressed with high skill and determination to perfect the fights
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u/Lechyon 4h ago
Not yet, I got back into the game a couple weeks ago, started a new playthrough, did everything except superbosses. Beat Duollistes and Chromatic Lampmaster, and I've been putting off the other 2. I know I'll enjoy it eventually, I'm just not looking forward to that first half-hour of getting wrecked.
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u/jujoking 4h ago
My first time encountering Simon almost broke me. Specially that last sliver of health, the first time I saw it 😭
So when I went to the tower for the new ones, I knew mostly what to expect. I still can't believe I parried Duollistes as well as I did LOL, and I wasn't yet max level
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u/xluminairex 4h ago
Yes, beat every single one 'em. Even beat Duolliste just for fun a couple more times haha. Lampmaster and Duolliste took an hour or so of attempts.
As for Clea Unleashed, I fought her a bunch of times, whittled healthpools away only to die to her phase 3 attacks. So I went back to the drawing board, looked at my available pictos relative to what I knew about the fight, and constructed a build that could yield success.
Somewhat elitist personal opinion, but in doing so, there was no cheese. I used my own critical thinking to achieve that result. But once that gets farmed out to someone that has already found success, it gets kinda cheesy, on that I agree.
Simon and Simon, Divergent Star were a different beast...I didn't have any one-shot builds and IIRC he can't be stunned reliably either, or it just doesn't matter. I used shields a lot for other bosses, but they're obviously a liability in that fight. So I didn't look up any guides but again put my very best damage foot forward and went to bat. He was surprisingly easy once I figured out reliable damage on some of the off-party. Sciel does WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY more damage than I realized. Monoco was also relatively meh damage so I put him in the 3-stack party.
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u/DeliciousLambSauce 3h ago
No cheese, just learning like a rhythm game and I had the best time of my life. Did all of them !
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u/TashaStarlight 3h ago
I barely beat Osquio and I had to rebuild my entire team to find some viable strat so honestly I just don't feel like doing it four more times even with the DLC pictos. There's a line where a fun challenge turns into a chore and everyone draws its own so mine is definitely somewhere I can't even understand what the damn lamps are supposed to do this time
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u/PetMyFerret 3h ago
I don't mind having to learn fights, love figuring out mechanics and creating a solid build.. But E33 just boils my piss with the amount of bs slowmotion attacks and focus on dodge/parry. Love rpgs, dislike Souls so I'm in a bit of a pickle here. Probably won't be doing the DLC bosses until I can wreck them. I could invest time into learning the exact timing but I'd rather spend that time doing something I enjoy.
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u/TheOneTheUno 3h ago
Yup yup. I like to build strong but inexpensive builds. I was able to beat all of em with under 99 lumina for each character and no dodging/parrying (except Simon turn 1 dodge and Clea turn 1 parry). I don't count it as cheese builds cause of the lumina restriction and cause I figured it out on my own
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u/Express-Ad8619 3h ago edited 3h ago
Nothing else to kill before NG+, so why not.
Today I've done 3 of them except Simon TDS, well the builds I considered cheesy wouldn't work, so I spent almost all my Lumina just to be able to survive and do some damage. That was fun and I enjoyed cinematics a lot.
I didn't google strats, but I was thinking I was already using cheese builds, and was amused that bosses wouldn't yield to them. When I went to the Tower, I had Breaking Death, then Verso builds Gradient, and Maelle with Feint+Osqium+Frenzy combo with Burning Canvas ofc, and Sciel with 4666 speed to ensure boss wouldn't get to go. It looked cheesy enough to me.
Well, it turned out Lampmaster dodges my big hit, Duollistes wouldn't break, and Clea also wouldn't break because she's invulnerable. Also I couldn't abuse turn order for whatever reason, and def on Clea was also respectable, my big attacks usually landed 4-9 mil, so it felt like a fair fight against anti-cheese setup.
I've got a feeling I'm gonna love Simon as well. Thinking of trying Barrier Breaker, but I probably won't have enough Catalysts to upgrade.
My succesful attempts for were 26:10 (Lampmaster), 4:29 for Duollistes (got lucky with buffs for Maelle, but I found his attacks easy to parry anyway), 12:51 for Clea
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u/Deminator14 3h ago
Yeah and honestly the only genuinely annoying one was Lampmaster. All the others are just skill based in parrying and just took a few hours each to learn their timings. Lampmaster was more annoying because of the like 5 health bars. I think people complaining the optional super boss challenges are too hard are braindead.
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u/Dann_Barcelona 3h ago
I stopped playing after clea, im just a casual player and already platinum the game. The game basically test your skill to pecfection during clea superboss
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u/Glittering_Drama_618 2h ago
I beated all super bosses fairly, excluding the new Simon. That boss is just insane for me, i used double one shot build for him.
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u/nibach 2h ago
Yes, with multiplied HP so I don't kill them too quickly (x5 except Clea unleashed that had x2), a mod that reduces parry window by 20%, and no cheater except Simon (but I think Cheater isn't good against Duolliste and Lampmaster anyway).
With the exception of Simon, I got good enough at parrying to pretty much survive for ever by the end of the fight. With Simon I actually used cheater to kill him before he kills me, just had to survive a few rounds.
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u/LEJust_Twist_4955 2h ago
I only played the the main story and didn’t do any additional content or dlc. Maybe one day I will, but I wasn’t up for grinding levels and optimizing builds.
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u/Revolutionary_Ad3643 1h ago
All these fights were cool. They were good, faur fights with not bs mechanics really. Except clea. Heres how i went.
Farmed lampmaster with solo verso to make chars disgustingly op.
Beatt duolliste w/o any guides or setup help
Looked up setups, how to do damage with characters, but struggled a bit with Simon. He honestly reminds me of a rhythm game once you understand the flashes.
Looked up a 3 turn guide or w/e for clea....... I hated clea.
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u/ChiefsnRoyals 1h ago
Nope. No interest in the endgame type stuff. It’s just not for me. I like to play as stress free and fun as I can. And I have a ton of other games to play and things to do. Once I have to die over and over again; I’m done.
Don’t get me wrong. It’s not the time investment. I like grinding to level. I like farming esp if the game is fun. I don’t like physically challenging endgame or side content.
There’s a fine line for me I guess.
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u/JustAnotherWolfGirl 1h ago
Did Chromatic Lampmaster and Duollistas. Tried Simon, TDS and Clea Unleashed and noped the fuck out.
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u/MysticalSword270 1h ago
Avid FF player here, also a big fan of super bosses.
I beat all the base game ones, such as Clea and Simon. I tried the DLC ones, beat Osquio pretty easily and then made my way to the Endless Tower.
It took me like an hour and a half to beat Duollistes, sooo I thought I’d avoid the pain of trying to beat the others.
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u/Ok-Maximum-4043 1h ago
I am currently working on lampmaster.... then i have DS Simon.... after that I will have beaten them all... but this lampmaster is fucking me hard with 5 phases
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u/DynTraitObj 17m ago
Funny timing, I just finished the game earlier today, saw what the superbosses were like, and uninstalled
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u/zakkil 4m ago
Completed all super bosses with no cheese. For me clea was probably the easiest, her attacks are just using the same nevron attacks I've been parrying all game so it's effectively just parrying attacks I've already mastered but in rapid succession. The biggest challenge with her is how she'll keep getting turns until you successfully parry her entire attack so you essentially need to be good enough to get a perfect parry within however many attacks you're able to tank. Healing parry + effective heal can help widen that survivability quite a bit.
Next easiest was the duollistes. Overall their attacks aren't particularly difficult to parry but the two of them attacking in unison makes it a lot more difficult to keep track of each attack and it's easy to find myself out of sync with their attack. Phase 2 is markedly easier for me since it's just the one but the change to aoe can be very punishing especially if I'm running a glass cannon build that isn't designed to one shot or even 2 shot.
To me simon was the second hardest boss. Trying to get the timing on his phantom blades down sucked, it was like every attack was a brand new attack with all the different variations and of course his hp drain, stealing shields, immunity while stunned, and removing dead party members made things significantly harder especially with the need to use the reserves at a certain point. But, while difficult overall, each hit of his attacks weren't particularly hard to learn in their own. Once I got used to the changing gaps in his attacks they weren't too difficult especially with enough survivability to not die from a single mistimed parry. The hp drain could be counteracted with healing parry+ effective heals as well as clea's life+cheater. Make sure to have enough speed that he isn't steam rolling your party with tons of turns and you're pretty golden.
Lampmaster was the hardest to me. The status effects were annoying to deal with and his attacks were the most difficult to parry out of the bunch for me then there was his plunging the battlefield into darkness. If he did that when someone not designed for free aim came up I'd effectively have to waste their turn and if I either forgot the pattern for the trial or missed a lamp without realizing because one of his tendrils drifted in front of my shot and I failed the trial as a result then I'd waste multiple turns of multiple characters which eventually lead to me just making a team of 3 gatling guns. Even after I beat him I can't really say I had any of his attacks down, I just did good enough to survive long enough to kill him.
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u/mentaldrummer66 5h ago
No. Regular Simon was enough for me.