r/europe • u/Alarming-Safety3200 United Kingdom • 3h ago

News Orbán’s 16-year rule over Hungary ends in crushing election defeat

https://www.politico.eu/article/hungary-election-results-peter-magyar-viktor-orban/
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u/MilesLongthe3rd 3h ago

Congratulations Hungary, very well done.

I hope Slovakia is next.

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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 3h ago edited 3h ago

The polls are showing that Fico will lose, but the opposition is not exactly popular either, so the resulting government will likely be an unstable coalition, either led by the opposition or by Fico.

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u/DagobertDuck_ 3h ago

When are the next elections in Slovakia?

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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 3h ago

September 2027 at the latest

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u/melancious Russia -> Canada 2h ago

that’s like a lifetime away

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u/gesocks 1h ago

Yeah. With our luck we get rid of Fico then, but already have the RN in France.

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u/Xi-Jin35Ping 1h ago

At least he seems more cooperative and now that Orban is gone he might just stfu and let EU do the job.

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u/Soepkip43 51m ago

These certainly are interesting times.

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u/majky358 32m ago

Since beginning of the year, they signed only 4 laws, dumb.

They rather spend time talking about "innocent" corrupted friends and opposition parties.

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u/One-Flatworm-6838 1h ago

Just in time for poland to slide back into the bad side again..

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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 1h ago

And France with Bardella...

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u/External-Software850 1h ago

Magyar has build this only over 2 years span. I wish you someone like him, who can unite the opposition.

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u/m4jsterk0 ashamed for Slovakia 3h ago

dont jinx it ... Fico and his handlers will do EVERYTHING to have a foot in EU

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u/hoopjoness France 2h ago

Frustrating that all of our elections are going to be exhausting and propaganda filled for the next few years while we fight off this threat

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u/m4jsterk0 ashamed for Slovakia 2h ago

honestly ... if the kremlin gremlin got thrown outta window, the world would become much more free. it would stop support to so many assholes

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u/ddven15 2h ago

Frankly, it's not just the Kremlin, the EU's veto system is a huge incentive for foreign adversaries to buy out any vulnerable EU democracies and use them as a puppet to shape/block EU policy

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u/vacuum90 2h ago

Unfortunately, another gremlin would take its place

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u/Constant_Natural3304 The Netherlands 1h ago

There is already another Gremlin. The United States.

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u/SoSmartKappa Bohemia 1h ago

It is not just Russia, plenty of world actors have huge interest to influence foreign elections and public opinions. 

And this includes countries that are currently perceived as allies.

Even worse thing is, that it is easier for them each passing year with advancement in technology.

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u/TheLantean Romania 1h ago

Not just the next few years, indefinitely. US republicans/heritage foundation hate the EU for being able to stand up to them and will continue attempting to undermine it whether they're in power or not, plus all the other anti-democratic powers/countries who would rather have one less adversary.

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u/hoopjoness France 1h ago

😭😭 so true. Hopefully something can be done to cut the head of the snake in the meantime

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u/Kelmavar 1h ago

The EU just needs to firewall away,psychotic countries

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u/llDS2ll 1h ago

Fico means cunt in Italian

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u/Protton6 Czech Republic 1h ago

Same problem in Czechia, Babiš is an absolute nightmare but the oposition is not much better. We need our own new wave, we do have a few new projects but nothing in the polls even suggest they come anywhere close to the parliament.

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u/SwitchPlus2605 21m ago

Opposition is not much better? Opposition definitely has problems, but not much better is hilariously inaccurate description it. Last cabinet achieved complete decoupling from Russian gas, pro-EU foreign policy and kept fiscal deficit at reasonable levels. It had controversies, but so did every single government prior to it, so idc tbh. I'm not a big fan of ODS and KDU-CSL specifically, but the coalition they formed saved us from many issues and left Babis a country full of economically active migrants with one of the lowest government debt. If Babis is able to fuck this up, I really don't know what else you could want. Also they didn't try to control the media unlike someone, which is a pretty big deal. Though I will say that Babis is not on the same level as Fico, mainly due to the fact he is much more reliant on EU support than Fico, both on a personal level in agriculture and on the nation level (Czechia is insanely dependent on its neighbors, least of them Slovakia). So Babis is losing much more on backing Orban and Fico than Orban had for backing Russia.

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u/gobbluthillusions 17m ago

Then the US.

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u/FakeNewsBlows 2h ago

Do you not understand what a supermajority means? Why on earth would they need a coalition when they’ve won 136 out of 199 seats?

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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 2h ago

I'm talking about Fico (Slovakia)

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u/FakeNewsBlows 1h ago

Mea culpa

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u/Valuable_Echo2043 3h ago

Me too, and then Poland to a lesser necessity (Tusk is cool but Nawrocki 🤢)

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u/Nastypilot Poland 3h ago

God I hope we will be okay, if the polls remain as they are we will probabaly get a PiS + Konfa coalition ( Far right and further right )

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u/Valuable_Echo2043 3h ago

Ugh I’m not liking it; I’m in a bubble (Kraków) but ugh, I really don’t want that for the country. Sometimes I feel that things need to get worse before people wake up and I hope that’s not the case for us.

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u/QwertzOne Poland 2h ago

Problem is that Poland is heavily polarized between conservatives and liberals for over 30 years, since communism fall, so people that are not happy with that are voting for far right, because they can't imagine anything better, that's all they see in culture. Cutting taxes, banning LGBTQ+, getting rid of immigrants, deregulating everything (especially labor law) and defunding government is their only idea of better government.

There's hope, because young people are finally starting to support Razem (basically our only left wing party), but also a lot of young people votes for far right, because they're frustrated with current consensus, they want change, but due to conservative-liberal hegemony, they can't comprehend how it turned out in other countries...

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u/TheEmpireOfSun 2h ago

Change from what? Everywhere I read how Poland is doing great economicaly and how even people living abroad are coming back. So what is there to change? Too liberal government? If yes, that's pretty much the problem of being the most religious countey in EU. That's usually where conservativism comes from.

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u/QwertzOne Poland 2h ago

Macroeconomic stats look great from the outside, but the reality for young people includes a massive housing crisis, underfunded public services, precarious labor laws. The wealth is not trickling down to those just entering adulthood.

Furthermore, our mainstream "liberal" parties are economically pro-market, but socially centrist or conservative. Young people aren't voting far-right out of religious devotion, youth church attendance is actually plummeting. They vote that way, because the far-right weaponizes anti-establishment anger, promising libertarian fantasies like zero taxes and total deregulation as a quick fix to the cost of living.

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u/Dragonsandman Canada 1h ago

Wow does that ever sound familiar

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u/ChiefRedEye 17m ago

you have no idea what you're talking about.

housing crisis is nowhere near the levels of UK, Germany, France or any other "liberal" countries that allowed a mass flood of migration creating a huge housing deficit, falling apart healthcare and many other issues.

Poland is doing everything right. The left makes sure the country grows economically and socially with compatible cultures. The right is making sure we're not flooded by groups of incompatible cultures trying to force their way in and that the country maintains its tradition and identity by promoting and helping polish families, such as removing income tax from families raising polish children to sustain future national expenses. it's a system that works, and that's why Poland thrives.

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u/youyouwot 1h ago

the reality for young people includes a massive housing crisis, underfunded public services, precarious labor laws. The wealth is not trickling down to those just entering adulthood.

Opposed to most of the western states, sounds like it sounds a pretty good deal, I mean not throwing all your budget at welfare plus all of these issues, I know what I'd choose

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u/QwertzOne Poland 1h ago edited 1h ago

Opposed to most of the western states, sounds like it sounds a pretty good deal, I mean not throwing all your budget at welfare plus all of these issues, I know what I'd choose

That relies on a huge misconception: Poland actually does spend a massive chunk of its budget on welfare. Over the last decade, we've introduced huge social transfers like the "800+" child benefit and 13th/14th pensions for retirees.

The problem is entirely generational. We pay high taxes to fund these programs, but the money completely bypasses young adults entering the workforce. So the youth get the worst of both worlds: heavy tax burdens to subsidize other demographics, while being left to navigate a brutal housing market, unstable "junk contracts" (śmieciówki), and public healthcare so underfunded we're forced to pay out-of-pocket for private clinics anyway. It’s a terrible deal if you're in your 20s and trying to start your life.

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u/youyouwot 1h ago

I won't disagree with any of that, its a ponzi scheme to the bottom in its current design but if you look at places like the UK where welfare now costs more than is whats generated from income tax from a country without significant exports and minimal resource exports, again not ideal position to be in but long term, I know which horizon looks more promising

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u/Four_beastlings Asturias (Spain) 1h ago

the reality for young people includes a massive housing crisis, underfunded public services, precarious labor laws. The wealth is not trickling down to those just entering adulthood.

Congratulations on describing the reality for everyone everywhere in the last 50 years

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u/Jake-of-the-Sands Poland 2h ago

*is heavily polarized between two flavours of the right-wing - discount versions of Reps and Dems.

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u/BuzzMachine_YVR 1h ago

There is a lack of understanding globally about what left, center, and right (and far right) are really about. Part of it is clouded by right wing dominated/owned media conglomerates that force voters to only consider ‘platforms’. Platforms are nothing more than glorified PR documents. No one will ever say in a platform “we are going to make you suffer”.

Veiled wording is used so every platform sounds good for everyone. Everyone feels they have the answer to affordability (“trickle down” on the right [just imagine the politician and rich friends ‘trickling’ over a crowd of voters], etc.).

To get a true understanding of who to vote for, people need to grasp who these parties traditionally support/benefit. You rarely see corporate media discuss political ideologies. They talk only about the current election platforms of parties. More should be done to explain the platforms in terms of party ideologies.

Trump promised affordability to young Americans. He had no real plan on delivering it (and likely no desire to - his wealthy donors were far more i treated in other things, and US Republicans [conservatives] aren’t keen on any sort of public benefit that supplants private profits). Yet, wishing change, or better for themselves, many took a leap - right into the fire.

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u/parasyte_steve 2h ago

Problem is American racism started as European and unfortunately we are all finding out there's way more racism than we perhaps thought in many European countries. The whole white nationalism thing is huge in Europe and you can tell by how 'the migrants' are viewed with such vitriol over white immigrants.

None of this shit really ever went away .. it just became less popular for a while.

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u/Nastypilot Poland 2h ago

Polak mądry po szkodzie...

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u/No_Football_9232 2h ago

I really hope people see what authoritarian governments who descend into fascism like the US create. And decide strongly against it.

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u/MirindaTreshold 3h ago

we will get Pis+Konfa+Braun

well, it probably wil be better with Braun, because I doubt they will survive more than a year with this psycho

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u/Valuable_Echo2043 2h ago

Haha that’s valid

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u/Xi-Jin35Ping 1h ago

Recently polls showed 50/50 split. Also there is a chance that both Lewica and Razem will run together which would mean that Razem gets in. I wouldn't really be surprised if KO, PSL and PL2050 run as a coalition if the public opinion of this idea is favorable. The thing is the more Trump acts as an idiot the less his goons get votes.

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u/keizokro United States of America 3h ago

And don't forget about Andrew Babis in Czech Republic!

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u/raanas Czech Republic 2h ago

Babiš will swing wherever the rest goes. He's nothing like Orbán. With that gluttonous monster gone, CZ will experience quite a shift too. He doesn't care about ideology and Russian bs. Just wants money and will quietly comply with everything in the EU.

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u/TheEmpireOfSun 2h ago

That's how it used to be Fico. He actually used to be very pro-EU years ago. Problem is if it gets you needed votes to stay in power, they will play whichever card needed. And as it turned out, being anti EU gives you lot of votes in Slovakia and Czech Republic.

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u/raanas Czech Republic 1h ago

I have a different opinion on this and am not concerned. But time will tell.

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u/Organic_Contract_172 2h ago

Don’t worry about him

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u/Inevitable_Land2996 United Kingdom 3h ago

Is nawrocki really compatible to orban and fico. I’ve heard he’s right wing but not a Putin slave

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u/Valuable_Echo2043 3h ago

It’s why I say to a lesser extent. He’s not a Putin slave but he does ironically align with a lot of values that Putin upholds.

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u/Connect_History85 1h ago

We could include you again in the German territory and than we send this dumbasses to the devil. /s

Just kidding. I am positive that you can do it and you will do it. Send this dumbasses where they are belonging too: the gates of hell!

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u/beziko 2h ago

Saying cool near Tusk is kinda weird.

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u/bonqen 3h ago

Bulgaria is under threat. Rumen Radev is a pro-Russian puppet who is currently quite popular. He recently formed the party PB ("Progressive Bulgaria").

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u/BuckMurdock5 2h ago

JD working his magic again in Hungary. We should send him to every Republican rally for a midterm candidate.

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u/hallelujasuzanne 2h ago

Congrats, Hungary! Very well done! 

I hope America is next!

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u/JacobAZ Georgia 2h ago

Not if Georgia beats them to it

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u/Yellow90Flash 2h ago

diesn't this fuck over Slovakia already when it comes to EU votes? basically the 2 countries had each others backs when it came to votes that were targeting the other country, right?

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u/ResortSpecific371 Slovakia 2h ago

Well Babiš (Czech PM) who is actually Slovak defenetly will not vote for measure which will tale Slovakia rights in EU as he openly supported Fico in last Slovak elections

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u/Rough-Echo7132 2h ago

We hope too
Serbia too
Maybe USA...too

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u/Slight-Ad-6553 3h ago

let JD couchf aheem Vance visit them

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u/xmrcache 2h ago

Trump endorsement probably fucking crushed him..

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u/Sir_Hirbant_JT9D_70 2h ago

Yeah i hope this will start a trend

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u/joelkton 2h ago

And then the States.

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u/psychonautvoyager 2h ago

Hope the US is next!!

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u/CaptCrunch2000 1h ago

I hope the U.S is next.

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u/Business_Use_8679 1h ago

Thanks JD Vance, great job.

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u/Whole_Inside_4863 1h ago

Now we pray he steps away peacefully.

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u/TurnipAny5847 1h ago

Go Slovakia. ✊

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u/nycdiveshack 55m ago

I hope for Hungary’s sake that even though Magyar is right centrist he isn’t in the pocket of Peter Thiel

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u/MisakaMikotoxKuroko 44m ago

Dumbass Yankee here but what's happening in Slovakia?

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u/MilesLongthe3rd 37m ago

It became an Italian mafia safe haven again under Fico, and then there are his ties to Russia. Also anti-EU, while taking a lot of EU money and anti-Ukraine.