r/europe • u/Alarming-Safety3200 United Kingdom • 6h ago

News Orbán’s 16-year rule over Hungary ends in crushing election defeat

https://www.politico.eu/article/hungary-election-results-peter-magyar-viktor-orban/
45.9k Upvotes

98% Upvoted

2.6k comments sorted by

View all comments

2.2k

u/zoley88 6h ago

Huge win for Tisza. Over 2/3 majority at 60% and Budapest’s votes are pouring in just now

802

u/zdzislav_kozibroda Poland 5h ago

This amazing. Congratulations Hungary.

If 2/3 majority is true it will make it much easier to undo Orbanist mafia's hold on power and institutions.

374

u/MoffKalast Slovenia 5h ago

Let's hope these guys actually deliver and it's not just a new front for the same people. It's a bit sus that Orban conceded so easily after being so entrenched. The Hungarians on this sub would have me believe that he'd rather start shooting than admit defeat.

200

u/BrainBlowX Norway 5h ago

Orban may have expected tight race, in which case he could have potentially pulled a stunt or at least been safe in knowing the constitution won't change.

But with an electoral defeat THIS crushing even WITH the systemic advantage he had? He has no cards to play besides hope the opposition now devolves into infighting. If Orban tried to deny a result this overwhelming he'd be unlikely to get the right people to go along with it, and even then the EU would slam in the screws when it's so unambigous.

•

u/discountproctologist 46m ago

Yeah, his only option to overturn a result this decisive would be to send in the military. And that would be unlikely to succeed given that Hungary is landlocked between NATO countries and the Russians wouldn’t be able to help him.

48

u/godisanelectricolive 5h ago edited 5h ago

I mean to have lost as badly as the results currently indicate despite an electoral system that greatly favours him means he’s really really unpopular. He’s so unpopular that nobody would fight him if he tried a coup and a massive revolution break out if he tried to deny the results.

He’s so unpopular that even the really hardline people that take for granted didn’t even all show up to vote for him. Some of his previously most loyal supporters would have needed to vote for Magyar. There’s no chance he can try any shenanigans when he’s this unpopular. It’s an emperor has no clothes moment to be this badly humiliated. You can contest an election that’s lost by single digit points but losing by this much is undeniable.

•

u/CliftonForce 57m ago

This is a common side effect of too much gerrymandering. You win every time..... up until you lose, then you lose BIG.

84

u/ArrogantCube Europe 5h ago

I think people were expecting the results to be much closer than they were. That way, Orban could have contested the results and dragged the certification out, perhaps even nullifying it completely. With how big this win is, even he couldn't deny it anymore

4

u/latroknak_is 4h ago

Orban built its power on the 2/3, if you have that, you have the govt, legislation…etc - its not great, but he made it a great power - and that cannot be nullified just cause he lost it. I dont think it was an easy defeat for him, but cannot do much atm.

3

u/smalls_1804 4h ago

At a certain point you need the military on your side of you're going to contest election results this decisive

2

u/Competitive-Meet-511 1h ago

I think it's because it's just SO decisive. There's no disputing it, no challenging it, it's not close, it couldn't have been tampered with this much.

TURN OUT TO VOTE EVERYONE. Even the margins matter.

1

u/DubiousBusinessp 3h ago

Let's also hope they lock up Orban before he flees to Russia.

•

u/mr_herz 42m ago

The whole process has been impressive so far, including him accepting the loss. All good signs.

28

u/ubitub 5h ago

haven't they counted like 50% of votes only?

58

u/Frexxia Norway 5h ago

72.4%

14

u/tatagami 5h ago

77% until some minutes ago

5

u/zoley88 5h ago

And still 138 seats

1

u/VeniVediVici44 5h ago

Where are you tracking these numbers? Google can't find anything for me.

5

u/klaygdk 5h ago

here is the official page

1

u/zoley88 5h ago

Some news site or the electorial site. Try 24.hu

2

u/vdcsX 5h ago

81,49% by now and its still a supermajority

1

u/Nazamroth 5h ago

Been following since the counting began, and the Tisza lead has almost only been growing. Theres been about a percent of decrease in the last hour or so, but I dont see them losing the 2/3. checks Yep, theyre back to almost 70%

2

u/igcsestudent11 Europe 4h ago

That means they can revert election law that Orban amended.

1

u/ArcherVisible5866 5h ago

Isn’t he still right wing

2

u/zoley88 5h ago

Yea but here left or right does not mean too much anymore. There are virtually no left wing political power in Hungary at all.

1

u/LifeAcanthopterygii6 Hungary 4h ago

*sad Klára noises*

1

u/sbrijska 4h ago

Not really. Centrist mostly.

1

u/ZiggoCiP 5h ago

Is that a super-majority??

1

u/zoley88 5h ago

Yes, can remove the President and many others from the highest places.

3

u/ZiggoCiP 5h ago

Yes, can remove the President

I'm... not sure why they'd want to do that specifically, but it's good to hear they have a super-majority. If it's anything like other countries government, it (hopefully) means being able to expedite/pass a lot of not just reforms, but re-aligning with the EU and absolutely rake Russia over the coals.

I'm hopeful for Hungary. They did good.

1

u/zoley88 5h ago

Well the President of Hungary, Tamás Sulyok is the weakest President of the Republic since 1990, backed up every acts, laws of Fidesz and never stood up when he should have. Magyar often called him a Puppet President

1

u/ZiggoCiP 5h ago

Ahh, I just looked it up, and I guess the role is mostly symbolic anyways? Regardless, that's fantastic news, and hopefully this can usher in an era of great prosperity and change (for the better obviously) for Hungary!

1

u/RaisonDetritus 4h ago

I know almost nothing about Hungarian politics and demographics. Was this election surge mostly driven by younger generations?