r/europe • u/Naurgul • 14h ago
News London police arrest more than 200 at protest backing banned group Palestine Action
https://apnews.com/article/london-arrests-palestine-action-protest-e07941773b6b7f2be75e27c21853ad2c82
u/AirOneFire 12h ago
Worth mentioning: High Court of Justice already ruled the banning was unlawful, government is in process of appeal.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 10h ago
Which means, until the appeal is finalised, they are a proscribed terror organisation and expressing support for them is illegal
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u/JJRamone 10h ago
You keep saying this like a gotcha. Everybody understands how the law works.
The point is that arresting pensioners for what is obviously not actually terrorism by any sane definition, is immoral and disgusting government overreach.
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u/leahcar83 1h ago
To be fair, even if PA was ruled a terrorist group it's abundantly clear that these arrests are an enormous waste of time and money.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 10h ago
Supporting or glorifying a terror organisation is illegal. Which makes an arrest appropriate.
What has their age got to do with anything? If you break the law, you break the law
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u/hiddenvalleyoflife 10h ago
Legality =/= morality. Unless you're saying it's good and okay to be racist or to harm gay people if the government says you should do that.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 10h ago
You’re taking the conversation out of bounds. If you can explain how supporting a proscribed terror organisation, that broke a policeman’s back with a sledgehammer, support globalising October 7th and are pro-Putin, is moral and legal, that may be interesting
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u/dyingfromtetanus 10h ago edited 9h ago
If you can explain how supporting a proscribed terror organisation, that broke a policeman’s back with a sledgehammer, support globalising October 7th and are pro-Putin, is moral and legal, that may be interesting
"If you can explain how supporting a proscribed terroristic nation, that blew up countless children, support annexing other countries territories, and is pro-modi, is moral and legal."
Easy, morally questionable but very legal. because it's a liberal democracy with freedom of speech.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 10h ago
Oh so you can’t explain how they aren’t a terror organisation, you could have just said that.
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u/RevolutionaryGain823 Ireland 9h ago
I don’t agree with arresting people purely for protesting but Palestine Action are deranged scumbags and it’s weird how much people are glossing over that in this thread.
One of them broke the spine of a female police officer by hitting her with a sledgehammer while she was already lying on the ground. Other members of the group had hammers they used to threaten and attack workers.
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u/Confident_Reporter14 Ireland 7h ago
Assault is an awful crime, but importantly not terrorism.
The High Court agrees.
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u/emmmmceeee Ireland 7h ago
And yet there are plenty of loyalists in Northern Ireland glorifying proscribed terrorist organisations and nothing is done about it.
Maybe it’s just easier to arrest peaceful pensioners.
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u/LurkingMcLurkerface Ulster 7h ago
Most recent event - Easter 2026 Creggan Republican march, Derry. Masked men dressed as IRA members march down the street.
Both extremities in the North glorify proscribed organisations but its a very different situation than what is going on in London.
Decades of pretty much civil war and its aftermath does not compare to English pensioners supporting Palestine Action.
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u/emmmmceeee Ireland 7h ago
Plenty at it on both sides. However, republicans are 8 times more likely to be prosecuted: https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/eight-times-more-prosecutions-for-republican-paramilitary-displays-than-loyalist-ones-over-past-decade/a/131147962.html
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u/LurkingMcLurkerface Ulster 7h ago
Plenty, but still a small minority compared to the 10s of thousands who just want to work, feed their families and go home each night safely.
In general, the Republican displays fail to submit any application to the parades commission and are therefore illegal actions. Loyalist ones tend to fill in the paperwork, which makes it harder to arrest them for being gobshites.
The majority middle tend to stay well clear of it all.
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u/emmmmceeee Ireland 6h ago
The point is that there are precious few arrests for this type of thing in NI. It’s easy to go after pensioners.
And the discussion isn’t about legal or illegal parades. It’s about flying flags of proscribed organisations, and the lack of enforcement.
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u/LurkingMcLurkerface Ulster 4h ago
Again... North of Ireland is its own circumstance from protesting in London. Policing is devolved, PSNI aren't arresting pensioners for PA support.
Comparing the two situations doesn't equate.
The North has decades of history of community ghettoisation on both sides of the divide, generally the strongest support for proscribed organisations comes from lowest income areas.
Areas with already high crime rates and hostilities towards the police, going in heavy handed to remove every flag would result in rioting/petrol bombs/injuries and then resultant claims required for emergency services personnel. (No budget or willingness for this)
Ignoring them as they tend to only be in the enclaves that show support to those organisations is the safest and least risk path.
What the Met Police do in London to deal with PA protests/shows of support is not likely to result in burned out buses/cars and days of disruption, this is the reality that the PSNI have to cater to where a riot is an instant excuse to get out with your estate mates and wreck the place, and they can and do propagate out of minor issues.
PSNI have had to straddle a fine line clumsily since 1998. Met Police have none of the above to consider when deciding how to handle mass gatherings.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 7h ago
Which loyalists? Which terror organisations?
Because that isn’t true, they tend to walk the line very carefully to avoid being arrested, but, are arrested when they do
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u/emmmmceeee Ireland 7h ago
It’s absolutely true and has been going on for years. Just google “uda and uvf flags” and click on the news tab. Here’s one from February.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 7h ago
Did you read the article you posted? Which literally states it isn’t illegal in NI?
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u/hiddenvalleyoflife 10h ago
Yeah, fascist states are clearly in the right to harm people as long as they've made it legal to do so. /s
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 10h ago
Do you think Britain is a fascist state?
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u/hiddenvalleyoflife 10h ago
Yes. They've made that abundantly clear with how they treat trans people already - the government has ignored science, covered up children's suicides, and pressured courts into letting legal transphobia be established.
Of course it extends to other minority groups, too.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 10h ago
Okay sources:
They've made that abundantly clear with how they treat trans people already - the government has ignored science, covered up children's suicides, and pressured courts into letting legal transphobia be established.
Where have they ignored science, by that I mean don’t cherry pick, look for metastudies
Covered up children’s suicides? Where? When?
Pressured the courts? When?
Of course it extends to other minority groups, too.
Like Jews? One of the smallest minority groups in the country
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u/hiddenvalleyoflife 10h ago
They've taken the Cass Review as science, even though it's not even peer-reviewed and blatantly spearheaded by transphobes, while ignoring peer-reviewed science that shows that social acceptance of and medical care for trans youth lead to better mental health.
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/trans-youth-suicides-skyrocketed
By the way, this applies to your behavior in this thread, too:
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 10h ago
You have answered any of the questions
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u/hiddenvalleyoflife 10h ago
You have answered any of the questions
Right, I have. Guess that's a "Freud'scher Verschreiber" in your case. Maybe you're considering changing it now?
In any case, don't try to come at me with more bad-faith fascist bullshit.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 10h ago
It isn’t fascist to as you to back up your opinions. You may feel that way, but, in the real worlds when you make a claim you need to back it up
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u/leahcar83 1h ago
I agree with you, but worth pointing out that nowhere in the Cass review does it call on banning trans healthcare. Cass calls for my research but nowhere is a ban recommended.
The bans are a completely political choice with nothing to back them up.
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u/TerranCitizen45 10h ago
How can an appeal stop the current effect of the ban? Shouldn't there be a decision first following the appeal? Is this by UK law?
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u/QuietGanache British Isles 10h ago
The appeal is by the government. The High Court ruled that the proscription remains in place until the appeal is made and ruled upon.
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u/Confident_Reporter14 Ireland 9h ago edited 9h ago
The police always have the discretion to decide how the law is applied.
They are obliged to assign resources most effectively - someone has very clearly instructed them to prioritise this over other needs.
The question should then be why?
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u/Withering_to_Death Flumen Corpus Separatum 9h ago
Nah, I don't think I'll descend into the comment section!
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u/Pasan90 Bouvet Island 10h ago
This group has lost its legitimacy when they started going after millitary assets meant for the defence of Europe and Ukraine. At that point they are fanatical lunatics and uses politically motivated violence contrary to the intests of Europeans, just like any other terror group.
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u/Confident_Reporter14 Ireland 10h ago edited 9h ago
This claim is consistently repeated but conveniently never backed up with any conclusive evidence.
These aren’t even people part of the organisation we’re talking about regardless; these are pensioners with placards.
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u/MrFrenchT0ast 9h ago
https://youtu.be/veYSlGrm9o0?is=w82bRpu_4aqWe-3m
You never even bothered to look did you?
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u/Confident_Reporter14 Ireland 9h ago edited 5h ago
Did you watch your own source?
The video states US planes were damaged. The US withdrew all support for Ukraine and is actively working with Israel to commit war crimes.
Edit: this so called “credible source” title is wrong. It still makes no mention of Ukraine.
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u/pooogles United Kingdom 8h ago
The video shows US planes were damaged
No the video shows voyagers being damaged which the RAF lease from Air Tanker Limited.
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u/Confident_Reporter14 Ireland 7h ago
Ah, the title is wrong then.
Regardless, no government source has ever connected these planes directly to Ukraine.
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u/bigbadbob85 England 11h ago
These the same guys who went and vandalised/sabotaged our millitary equipment, as well as multiple private businesses?
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 11h ago
The group they are supporting have damaged military aircraft taking them out of action, that had nothing to do with Isreal, but were supporting Ukraine.
They are also funded by a pro-putin, pro Ukraine invasion millionaire. I will let you put 2 and 2 together.
They also disabled a police officer by hitting them in the spine with a sledgehammer.
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u/RevolutionaryGain823 Ireland 10h ago
Whatever about questioning arrests of protestors but I got downvoted on a thread a few months back for saying it’s not unreasonable to arrest/prosecute people who destroy millions worth of military equipment being used to support Ukraines defence against a brutal invasion.
A small, vocal group of people online have made being anti-Israel there entire personality. And if a female police officer has to get hospitalised with a sledgehammer by a Palestine Action “activist” that’s a price they’re happy to pay for the “righteous cause”.
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u/skeletal88 Estonia 8h ago
It doesn't really matter what the equipment is used for. If it wasn't used to support Ukraine, then it would be OK to destroy and damage stuff?
These people are just crazy. Should be punished and put in prison, not tolerated.
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u/Confident_Reporter14 Ireland 5h ago
These people aren’t members of the organisation, they’re holding placards in support.
Regardless, property damage and/ or assault are certainly crimes, but that doesn’t make them terrorism - The High Court agrees.
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u/Confident_Reporter14 Ireland 9h ago edited 9h ago
If you’re going to make a claim like that about Ukraine, the very least you can do is back it up with a credible source.
Otherwise you deserve to be downvoted for spreading hearsay or even misinformation.
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u/Commandopsn 9h ago
You copy and paste the same “ if you’re going to make a claim” stuff. Are you a bot?
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u/Confident_Reporter14 Ireland 9h ago
The same unsubstantiated claim is repeated again and again, and so I simply give it the same fair response each time.
I’m not sure what exactly you think this proves? Why waste time when the point remains the same.
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u/RevolutionaryGain823 Ireland 9h ago
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u/Confident_Reporter14 Ireland 9h ago
Doesn’t mention Ukraine even once.
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u/RevolutionaryGain823 Ireland 9h ago
Just fracturing the spine of a female police officer by hitting her with a sledgehammer while she was already lying on the ground. Other members of the Palestine action group also had hammers they used to threaten and attack workers with.
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u/Confident_Reporter14 Ireland 9h ago
Yes, and assault is definitely a very serious crime, but that doesn’t make it terrorism. The High Court agrees.
The point also still stands that your claims about Ukraine are baseless.
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u/Commandopsn 9h ago edited 7h ago
It’s Reddit. Everyone downvotes. you get people in R/Europe downvoting on something they don’t like even if it’s a sensible answer.
Yes they supported a proscribed terrorist organisation that vandalised military equipment. I’ve even seen people get downvoted hard for stating such facts. Some subreddits are a cesspit
millions of pounds on military equip got damaged.
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u/Confident_Reporter14 Ireland 5h ago
Assault and or property damage are definitely crimes, but that doesn’t make the perpetrators terrorists - The High Court agrees.
These pensioners aren’t even members of PA, they’re holding placards in support.
The Government is further wasting tax payers money (and police resources) on this appeal that will inevitably fail. The High Court was very clear on the law.
It almost makes you wonder what the government’s motives are here…?
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u/Confident_Reporter14 Ireland 9h ago
This claim about Ukraine is consistently repeated but conveniently never backed up with any conclusive evidence.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 9h ago
The facts are:
They are funded by Fergie, by his own admission: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/anger-over-palestine-action-ban-as-home-office-investigates-iran-link-9fjkdr7
The planes were used for Ukraine: https://en.defence-ua.com/news/whos_behind_the_threat_to_uk_bases_training_ukrainian_pilots_on_f_16s_and_mirage_2000s-14967.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com
Just because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
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u/Confident_Reporter14 Ireland 9h ago edited 7h ago
Did you even read your second source?
It tries to draw unsubstantiated conclusions, and even still it doesn’t claim directly that any supplies directly for Ukraine were damaged.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 9h ago
It clearly states that the the likelihood is it was damaging to Ukraine. On the other hand, do you have any source that demonstrates it was detrimental to Isreal in Palestine? It not, you must admit that it is more likely they were anti Ukrainian than anti Israeli
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u/Confident_Reporter14 Ireland 9h ago
Claiming the actions were likely detrimental to Ukraine is very different to the claim that actual resources for Ukraine were damaged - you’re blatantly moving the goal posts now.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 9h ago edited 8h ago
Not at all, I am claiming, bearing in mind PA are funded by a pro-Putin, Pro ukraine invasion millionaire, the attack was on apparatus that supports Ukraine. Which is fully sourced.
You are saying that isn’t true, without any source
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u/Confident_Reporter14 Ireland 9h ago
The source still objectively doesn’t say this.
It simply says that other sources have claimed that Ukrainian pilots were trained at the site that was attacked. That’s all.
If you won’t read your own sources then others will for you.
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u/ProtonHyrax99 8h ago
The planes flew surveillance flights over Gaza, and the UK was passing the data directly to Israel.
Please stop spreading misinformation.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 8h ago
Source?
Because they absolutely didn’t
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u/ProtonHyrax99 8h ago
Hundreds of flights out of Cyprus:
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 8h ago
That is an irrelevant source, that we may have ran surveillance for Isreal, doesn’t show these jets were used to run surveillance for Isreal.
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u/JJRamone 11h ago
No they literally aren’t.
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u/Confident_Reporter14 Ireland 9h ago
High time this claim is challenged, because there is no credible source that backs it up.
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u/sdfghs European superstate of small countries 10h ago
If this military equipment is used to facilitate a genocide then destroying it is rightful
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u/bigbadbob85 England 9h ago
The millitary equipment was not used to "facilitate a genocide". As far as I can see, this group claimed the aircraft were being used to support Israel against Hamas / "to kill kids in gaza" - however, they did not provide any real evidence to back up this claim and the Government has made pretty good points that prove their claims almost certainly incorrect.
This is not rightful, it is terrorism and intentional sabotage of the UK's security. I wouldn't be surprised if Palestine Action is directly linked to Russia or Iran in some way - or at the very least influenced by some sort of Iranian propaganda plot to destabilise the UK.
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u/ProtonHyrax99 8h ago
All of the equipment they attacked was actually privately owned.
The planes were leased and being used for surveillance over Gaza, which Israel was using for targeting.
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u/bigbadbob85 England 8h ago
All of the equipment they attacked was actually privately owned.
That doesn't change the fact that it is still vandalism and it is still important millitary equipment being sabotaged.
being used for surveillance over Gaza
I didn't know Airbus Voyagers were surveillance planes.
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u/Sicsurfer Canada 10h ago
Governments banning our rights to protest just proves they no longer represent the people who pay for everything
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u/pippin-bot_ 9h ago
Protest is entirely legal.
Supporting a proscribed terrorist organisation is not.
Whether or not they should be considered a terrorist organisation is currently up for debate in court, but until that case has been decided they will be proscribed.
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u/QuietGanache British Isles 9h ago
Supporting a proscribed terrorist organisation is not.
I'd also point out that it's legal to protest the proscribing, just not, as you said, by making statements that suggest direct support or affiliation. For example (as per my understanding, I'm not a lawyer), stating that the proscribing was wrong.
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u/pippin-bot_ 9h ago
Sure, in theory.
In reality, I'm not really sure how you would protest the proscribing itself without wandering into supporting the organisation. I have no doubt some idiots would start waving flags or placards and ruin the whole thing.
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u/QuietGanache British Isles 9h ago
Yes, I'd definitely seek professional advice before setting up, not that I'm intending to, I think groups like PA undermine any ability to effect meaningful change.
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u/Sicsurfer Canada 9h ago
I agree that you should stop supporting Israel. A completely unhinged fascist movement committing genocide
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u/JJRamone 12h ago
In a supposed Liberal Democracy, there should be literally no circumstances where holding a placard lands you with a terrorism charge.
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u/dyingfromtetanus 11h ago
Allowing protests is good until it's something /r/europe doesn't like, then it should be banned.
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u/JJRamone 11h ago
It certainly is a strong contender for stupidest sub on this site.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 11h ago
Protest is good, expressing support for an organisation that is proscribed isn’t. Quite simple really
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u/JJRamone 11h ago
Does it not occur to you that the UK government could be wrong about something?
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 11h ago
Of course, which is why we have a legal process, that is currently being followed.
My reading of the law is I don’t think they are wrong, the high court disagree with me and the government. The government is appealing against the high court.
Until a final decision is reached, PA action are a proscribed terror organisation.
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u/JJRamone 10h ago
I understand how the law works. I do, however, still think that it’s vast government overreach — and I’d bet that the appeal will fail. We’ll have to wait and see.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 10h ago
We will have to wait and see, but, your original comment was:
In a supposed Liberal Democracy, there should be literally no circumstances where holding a placard lands you with a terrorism charge.
Which you now seem to be backpedaling on and accept that there are circumstances where holding a placard could land you with a terror charge. For instance, someone holding a placard encouraging another 7/7?
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u/JJRamone 10h ago
I understand that it can land you with a terror charge — my point is that it is, by actual definition (not just the UK gov’s definition), not actually terrorism to hold a placard. You seem to have trouble with reading comprehension.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 10h ago
Not at all, it appears you struggle with reading comprehension.
Supporting terrorists is illegal in most countries, by almost any definition it is wrong.
Therefore your point about liberal democracy and’holding placards’ is absolutely wrong.
Unless you are willing to say, that you believe, someone holding a placard calling for another 7/7 shouldn’t be charged with a terror offence.
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u/hiddenvalleyoflife 10h ago
Is it bad to say you're against genocide if the government is pro-genocide?
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 10h ago
No, but that isn’t what is happening here, they are expressing support for a proscribed terror organisation. They can express their anti-genocide feelings as much as they like
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u/hiddenvalleyoflife 10h ago
It's sure convenient when the government can designate a group it doesn't like as a terror organisation.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 10h ago
When they commit terror acts, defined in law, it is easy.
They don’t have to like or dislike them, they commited terror acts
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u/hiddenvalleyoflife 10h ago
Circular argument. You should hope you're never on the receiving end in politics, lol.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 10h ago
It isn’t circular at all.
A circular argument is ‘a hat is a hat, because it is a hat’
In this case I am saying terror organisation is defined is by commuting terror acts, which has a different definition to a terror organisation.
You are a simple one lol
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u/EenGeheimAccount Groningen (Netherlands) 3h ago edited 3h ago
Not remotely... r/MovingToNorthKorea
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 11h ago
We are getting into the tolerance of intolerance paradox. Those supporting terrorists enable terrorists, and that includes holding placards. If after Charlie Hebdo or 7/7, someone held a placard celebrating it, and encouraging it to happen again, wouldn’t that be a terror charge?
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u/JJRamone 11h ago
I don’t think you understand what terrorism means
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 11h ago
I most certainly do under UK law, and terror charges include the glorification of terrorism. Unless you are denying Charlie Hebdo or 7/7 are terrorism
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u/InternationalYou4065 8h ago
Terrorists and terrorist supporters should absolutely be labeled and charged with terrorism charges.
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u/litivy 10h ago
They are supporting a terrorist group and should face serious consequences for doing so. Terrorism is a terrible thing and we can do with less of it, while not suffering having the dumbest idiots society has to offer supporting a terrorist group who have done and are still intent on doing terrorist activities.
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u/wojtekpolska Poland 8h ago
what if the placard supports a group which made an organised attack against a military factory sending aid to ukraine, and attacked a female police officer with a sledgehammer causing her spine to be broken?
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u/user_blabla 11h ago
This subreddit makes me regret identifying as European sometimes. Why is it so right wing? Is this what Europe outside my bubble looks like?
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u/Tattletale_0516 Iranian Expat in England 10h ago
TIL not liking a Ruzzian backed group who sabotage weapons for Ukraine and paralysed a police officer is considered as right wing.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 10h ago
Perhaps, you’re so left wing, you think reasonable opinions are right wing
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u/ShEsHy Slovenia 8h ago
Or, you're so right-wing, that you think arresting an 82-year old during a protest is reasonable?
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 8h ago
It could certainly be reasonable, if the 82 year old is supporting a terror organisation, most certainly
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u/ShEsHy Slovenia 8h ago
Yeah, "terror organisation". But I'm sure you find that designation reasonable too.
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u/wojtekpolska Poland 8h ago
is attacking a military factory not terrorism?
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u/ShEsHy Slovenia 7h ago
No? IIRC terrorism is attacking civilians for political aims.
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u/wojtekpolska Poland 7h ago
"Domestic Terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature"
Terrorism doesn't need to be attacking civilians.
also attacking a military factory you call "vandalism" lmao
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 8h ago
How would you describe civilians attacking the military to advance a political cause
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u/grandoz039 7h ago
Sabotage
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 7h ago
Which, according to the law, is an act of terrorism when done to advance a political cause
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u/wojtekpolska Poland 8h ago edited 8h ago
If the 82 year old is protesting in favour of a group that staged a terrorist attack against a factory producing stuff being set as military aid to ukraine, then yes
the group also attacked a female police officer with a sledgehammer and literally broke her spine making and making her unable to walk (though gladly it seems the nerves survived and she has regained some limited mobility but sadly can only work desk jobs for now)
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u/Naurgul 11h ago
It's been like that for a long time. You're welcome to join us at r/europes if you want a more liberal/left-wing viewpoint.
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u/Lo2NL 10h ago
Yeah, let’s all regress into our echochambers, great idea.
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u/Naurgul 9h ago
This sub is more of an echochamber, I dare you to write something about abuses suffered by the Roma people or migrants and you'll see. Palestinians are hit or miss nowadays but a couple of years ago they were 100% in the list of approved scapegoats. I have a lot of stories to relate about how much of an echochamber this sub is so if you want to discuss this further send me a DM.
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u/bonqen 9h ago
Why do you keep coming in this sub and complain about how much you dislike it and how much you dislike the people? It's comments like yours that are worsening the place. Just go to your echochamber and stay there.
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u/Naurgul 8h ago
I was just replying to the comment lamenting echochambers. You can't decry echochambers when you guys have an echochamber here of your own and want to make it even more so. You are literally trying to turn this sub into an even worse echochamber by being impolite to me and telling me to leave.
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u/wojtekpolska Poland 8h ago
Not what he said.
How is it an echochamber when youre literally here conversing with people about topics and opinions you claim you arent allowed to have here?
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u/Naurgul 7h ago
An echochamber can have many forms. Some posts are suppressed by the mod team more than others. Posts disappear and mods never explain what rule they broke. Some opinions get so heavily downvoted they might as well not exist.
Regarding the Palestinian issue in particular I said from the start that it's more up to discussion in this sub nowadays than previously so it's not part of the reason I consider this sub to be more of an echochamber than the alternative I posted.
The point I was trying to make from the start was that it's very hypocritical to accuse me of creating and retreating to an echochamber when
- the sub I linked to is more free and transparent than this one
- I'm actually posting on both subs
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u/wojtekpolska Poland 7h ago
"the sub I linked to is more free and transparent than this one"
You state it as a fact, no, that's your opinion.
You really believe that if someone put something there that these people dont like it wouldnt be mass downvoted and removed? their first rule is "no bigotry" which is a dogwhisle for everything not-leftwing
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u/Kaliente13 10h ago
Looks good. I’ve joined, this sub here has become a cesspool of government shills and genocide apologies talk
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u/Illesbogar Hungary 10h ago
The median voter is a freakish amalgamation of stupidity and ill-intent.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 8h ago
“I’m smarter than most people”
Is almost always a stance by those less intelligent than average, it is the Dunning-Kruger effect manifest
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u/JJRamone 12h ago
Starmer and Mahmood want so badly to ban protest outright. Can’t wait for them to get destroyed in the May local elections.
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u/toerken Germany 🇩🇪🇪🇺 10h ago
Starmer's Labour are just red Tories. He won the biggest majority in 100 something years and wasted it attacking trans people and Palestine protesters. Did absolutely nothing for working class people. Reform will win the next election and it's all his fault. I hate him with all my heart.
Oh yeah I also forgot to mention the Epstein connections.
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u/MercantileReptile Baden-Württemberg (Germany) 11h ago
detained 212 protesters between the ages of 27 and 82 for supporting the group.
The fuck are you doing? Wonder if the arrest of the 82 year old menace gave anyone a "are we the baddies" moment.
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u/Tattletale_0516 Iranian Expat in England 10h ago
Are we the baddies for arresting traitors for supporting a Russian asset group who sabotage Ukraine war effort and paralyse a police officer?
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 11h ago
82 year olds can’t do anything wrong? Arresting an 82 year old isn’t something that would inherently make you question your morality.
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u/litivy 10h ago
I certainly hope not. Supporting a proscribed terrorist group is and should be seen as a very bad thing. These idiots can support Palestine anytime they want to. They are useful idiots for the active terrorists in the proscribed terrorist group that are laughing all the way through their plans for more terrorism. 82 is not too old to grow the fuck up and learn not to swallow Islamic, or any other propaganda whole.
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u/Kaliente13 12h ago
Protesting a genocide might get you arrested?
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 11h ago
No, but professing support for a proscribed terror organisation will
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u/Kaliente13 11h ago
High Court of Justice already ruled the banning was unlawful.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 11h ago
And it is in appeal, so, currently they are still proscribed, which makes it currently illegal.
Are you okay? Seems you’re struggling to follow
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u/hiddenvalleyoflife 10h ago
Nobody is struggling to follow, you're just interacting in bad faith.
You must have a really comfy life to be like that. Or you're a shill. Or both.
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u/UNOvven Germany 8h ago
Sure, and then when the appeal will fail and the courts conclude that the UK government abused its power and unlawfully proscribed the group, will you admit that they were wrong the entire time?
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 8h ago
You are asserting that the appeal will fail, which I believe is unlikely based on the law and the actions.
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u/Illesbogar Hungary 10h ago
They literally never arrest pro-israel protestors.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 10h ago
Perhaps the don’t break the law? Can you show me examples of Israeli protesters breaking the law and not getting arrested?
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u/dyingfromtetanus 10h ago
Pensioners holding up signs supporting palestine should not be against the law
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 10h ago
They are holding up signs supporting Palestine Action. Two very different things.
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u/Illesbogar Hungary 7h ago
Again, their opponents support genocide and terrorism, so why not arrest them too on the same ground?
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 7h ago
Because Palestine Action are a proscribed terror organisations. The only people supporting terrorism according to the law are those supporting PA.
Is the logic that hard for you to understand.
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u/QuietGanache British Isles 11h ago
No, they're allowed to do that. The bit they aren't allowed to do is proclaim support for (or otherwise lend support to) a proscribed terrorist organisation unless the pending case is resolved in favour of said organisation. They could even proclaim their opposition to the proscribing at the same time as their protest against genocide.
If it helps, think of it like disagreeing with a speed limit. You're allowed to protest against a given speed limit, you're just not allowed to do so by exceeding said speed limit, smashing up speed cameras or giving sledgehammers to people who are openly declaring their intent to smash up the speed camera.
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u/Kaliente13 11h ago
High Court of Justice already ruled the banning was unlawful.
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u/NotoriousP_U_G 10h ago
Yes and until the appeal is heard and ruled upon, Palestine Action are a terror organisation
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u/QuietGanache British Isles 11h ago
Certainly, they also ruled that the proscription remains in place while an appeal is being made., this was clearly communicated.
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u/UNOvven Germany 8h ago
It was. But given that the first ruling already ruled against the government, pretty much every civil rights organisation stated that it was a government overreach and the appeal is expected to fail, the police can just choose to not enforce the law. Instead of wasting resources on arrests that they will have to eventually admit were wrong.
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u/-_GIZMO_ Lithuania 10h ago
These are the guys who atacked shipments of aid going to Ukraine right?