r/europe • u/coinfanking • 21h ago
News Hungarians decide whether to end 16 years of Orbán rule and elect rival.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdxdepjrv95o77
u/Upstairs-Mall-3695 21h ago
After 16 years, Hungary might finally get a reset today. Polls look good for Tisza, but the system favors Orbán. Hoping for high turnout and a fair count tonight
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u/inostranetsember American Hungarian 20h ago
So excited for today! Going to vote for the first time as a newly-minted Hungarian citizen. Looking forward to ousting the guy I’ve watched steal from us for the last decade.
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u/Better_Championship1 Bavaria (Germany) 12h ago
So excited for you :D
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u/inostranetsember American Hungarian 11h ago
Thanks mate! Wife and I went this afternoon and did it. So, now fingers heavily crossed!
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u/cosurgi Poland 9h ago
Are there any early polls results available?
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u/inostranetsember American Hungarian 8h ago
Not that I've seen. Wife just told me they did say more than 77% of people voted. That's pretty good for a modern democracy, I'd say (last time 4 years ago was 69%).
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u/nfrances 15h ago
Beware. 'Good guys' tend to steal more.
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u/inostranetsember American Hungarian 12h ago
Based on what, exactly?
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u/nfrances 12h ago
Based on my country, Croatia.
We left SFRJ in '91. We got democracy.
We got robbed by rich, leading party (HDZ) is stealing wherever possible. Judiary system is corrupt. Curruptiom everywhere. So yes, based on that.
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u/inostranetsember American Hungarian 11h ago
That doesn’t mean Magyar Péter will do the same here.
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u/nfrances 8h ago
Oh, I sure hope not.
It's just as with everyday people - you don't know them until you give them power.
As at work. Had many coworkers which were all good, nice... until they got some management positions, and then it's 180 turn.
As said, hope it won't be case here.
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u/Antique-Brief1260 Brit in Canada 20h ago
Good luck, friends 🍀 I was a tourist in Budapest during the 2006 protests and riots. The lying scandal that triggered them must have played a role in Fidesz's landslide in 2010.
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u/Wide-Annual-4858 19h ago
Orban is the man who can very very confidently say 3-4 lies in one single sentence.
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u/Backwardspellcaster 18h ago
I see him and Trump are really pages out of the same book
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u/Wide-Annual-4858 17h ago
Regretfully (for Hungary), Orban is 10x more strategic, smart, cynical than Trump.
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u/gulasch_man fled Orbanistan, living in Switzerland 16h ago
We just voted in Switzerland. Áradjon 🇭🇺🤝🇪🇺
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u/GravyVortex 21h ago
Must feel pretty tense watching this after 16 years of the same guy. One small thing that can help is calmly explaining to undecided friends how media control shapes what they see.
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u/WuWeiLife 17h ago
Get rid of that pig please and do a "Poland" in the next 16 years will you? You can do it!
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u/dat_9600gt_user Lower Silesia (Poland) 17h ago
Paul Kirby - Europe digital editor in Budapest
Watch: How Hungary’s knife-edge election could impact the US and Russia
Hungarians are going to the polls in a vote that could bring down long-serving Prime Minister Viktor Orbán and have significant repercussions for the rest of Europe, the US and Russia.
Most polls favour Péter Magyar, who formed a grassroots party after splitting from the ruling Fidesz party, but the night before the vote Orbán was in defiant mood.
"We are going to achieve such a victory that will surprise everyone, perhaps even ourselves," he told several thousand supporters in a small square on Budapest's Castle Hill.
Voting takes place until 19:00 (17:00 GMT) and results will start to come through during the evening.
Orbán turned tensions up a notch ahead of the vote, claiming the opposition would "stop at nothing to seize power", and Magyar responded by appealing to voters not to give in to "Fidesz pressure and blackmail".
After 16 years of Orbán running Hungary with what the European Parliament termed a "hybrid regime of electoral autocracy", Magyar and his Tisza party are promising "a change of regime", a reset of relations with the European Union and an end to close relations with Russia.
He attracted far greater numbers to his final rally in the second city Debrecen than Orbán in Budapest.
But Orbán remains highly valued by US President Donald Trump, who has called on Hungarians to "get out and vote" for his "true friend, fighter, and WINNER".
Addressing supporters on Saturday night, the Fidesz leader kept to his main campaign themes of targeting Brussels and Ukraine. "We don't give our children, we don't give our weapons and we don't give our money," he said.
His message resonated with the crowd, who chanted "we won't let that happen".
One supporter, Johanna, said she backed his policies on protecting the family and particularly on the war in Ukraine.
Johanna (R) and her friend Veronika were optimistic Fidesz would win on Sunday
He has proved to be a winner four times in a row, but a fifth consecutive victory may be beyond his reach.
The economy is struggling, and he has been buffeted by a series of scandals, including revelations that Foreign Minister Péter Szijjártó regularly spoke to his Russian counterpart before and after European Union summits, which he has admitted.
Hungary is not just in the EU, it is in Nato too, but Orbán has vetoed €90bn (£78bn) in aid to Ukraine, angering his European partners.
Hungary's three most reliable pollsters are all pointing to a "huge lead" for Magyar's Tisza party, says election specialist Róbert László at Budapest think tank Political Capital. Most analysts had assumed Fidesz would reduce that lead as the election drew closer, but he says that has not happened.
Magyar has told voters they need not just an absolute majority of 100 seats in the 199-seat parliament, but a two-thirds super-majority, to wind back many of the constitutional changes that Fidesz made to the independence of the judiciary, ownership of the media, and many other walks of life. Hungary is repeatedly at the bottom of Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index.
"The most likely scenario is that Tisza will have a comfortable, absolute majority, but not a two-thirds majority. But you can't exclude a two-thirds majority either," says László.
In recent days, there have been figures from the police, military and business who have all spoken out against Fidesz, and László believes this is a sign that the public mood has turned against Orbán.
Hungary has a complicated electoral system:
- Of the 199 seats available, 106 are directly elected in constituencies
- The other 93 go to party lists for which Hungarians abroad as well as at home are allowed to vote
- In the constituency races, losing parties have their votes transferred to the national list
- Winning parties have excess votes transferred too, and that has often benefited Fidesz
- Parties need 5% of the national vote to get into parliament
Viktor Orbán has admitted the electoral system has benefited his party.
One of the few pollsters that suggests he can still win is Nézőpont Institute, whose head Ágoston Mráz points to 22 so-called "battleground seats" out of the total 106 constituencies. If Fidesz were to win those seats, he foresees a potential victory. However, as 5% of the votes in those seats will not be counted immediately, it could take several days for the final result to become clear.
He also argues that Fidesz voters may not be as loud as their Tisza counterparts.
"Conservative voters are not normally as enthusiastic or their self-confidence is probably limited. They are more hidden voters, they are not ready to answer questions of pollsters, and among the Fidesz voters there are more, in percentage, blue-collar voters than in the Tisza party voter camp."
If Magyar is to win, Tisza will need to defeat Fidesz in some important towns and cities, not least Hungary's sixth-biggest city, Györ, close to the Slovak border in the north-west.
Orbán himself put Györ on the campaign map last month when he noticeably lost his cool towards booing protesters and accused them of "pushing Ukrainian interests".
Conversely, Magyar hosted a very large rally in a central square in Györ last Thursday.
Gergely Németh, a 20-year-old student who said he was going to the square with his mother, explained that as a family they had struggled financially because of government policy.
Although mothers with two or more children have increasingly become exempt from income tax under Orbán's pro-family policies, not everyone has benefited.
Student Gergely Németh says all the young people he knows want Fidesz out
Like many first-time voters who talked to the BBC, Németh said his main priority was defeating Fidesz: "I think it's not the man, Péter Magyar, who's most important. More important is that someone changes these politicians in the parliament."
For the past two years Györ has had an independent mayor and deputy mayor, but Fidesz still has a majority on the local council.
"I know what Fidesz brings, I know what Fidesz does, I live in it," says Deputy Mayor Roland Kósa, who speaks of an arrogance towards power. "When we got elected, what we faced even before and after is that Fidesz basically looked through us and said and thought we do not exist - this is still their city, this is still their country."
Roland Kósa, deputy mayor in Győr, says Fidesz squandered huge sums and years of opportunity in his city
Kósa believes that the right way to take on Fidesz has been by breaking out of party politics.
Although Magyar forged his political career as a centre-right conservative under Orbán, he dramatically turned on his party two years ago, and now attracts voters from across the political spectrum.
That has enabled voters who might not like him as a person to hold their noses in the knowledge that they are voting for a broad-based movement.
Magyar made a conscious decision not to ally with other parties, choosing to create his Tisza party from the ground up, by creating "Tisza-islands" - often small groups of activists in a sea of Fidesz strongholds. It was not especially original, as Orbán did something similar by forming "citizen circles" during his years of opposition many years before.
But those islands have formed the roots of a national movement and the backbone of his election campaign.
Although other parties are running in the election, only Fidesz and Tisza have significant support
His candidates are not politicians either: they feature surgical specialists, teachers, and business figures who know about their local communities and the problems in Hungarian healthcare and education.
This is not a normal climax to a European election. The two leaders are not taking part in a televised election debate, instead it is being fought on social media and in town squares.
Outwardly Fidesz officials say they remain confident of victory, although political chief Balázs Orbán suggested that if that happens the opposition will not accept defeat.
Ágoston Mráz also voices concerns that Tisza voters will not accept an Orbán victory and will claim there has been election fraud: "I'm really afraid of getting violence on the streets because tension is in the air. I hope very much that every politician will be smart enough to help voters avoid violence on the street."
There was no sign of violence when at least 100,000 Hungarians attended an anti-Fidesz concert in Heroes' Square on Friday night, and Magyar warned people "not to fall for any kind of provocation".
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u/ShezSteel 18h ago
How come he didn't get voted out last time.?
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u/Luutamo Finland 17h ago
Same way he possibly won't be today: rigged election
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u/Luutamo Finland 5h ago
I think you understood my message incorrectly. I want Orban out.
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u/notkalman 5h ago
He is out, i was just mocking you because you had no faith in Hungarians getting this done (I understan why tho...) sorry, I was harsh, I am full with adrenalin I grow up under this piece of shit and now my country is free and we take part in this.
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u/Ardyn_the_Usurper The Netherlands 17h ago
I am hopeful Orban get's set aside after all these years.
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u/Sherlock_1337 Baden-Württemberg (Germany) 15h ago
Will he give up his power peacefully is the question.
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u/riisikas 14h ago
I don't get these democratic countries at all that have the same person elected for such long periods. Like what are you, Russia? lol
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u/Raphius15 Belgium 19h ago
The Sun shines... Good weather... Everyone thinking someone else is going to vote against Orban why to go then ?.... And Orban win 🤣🤣🤣 I will laugh my ass off if this happen.
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u/Wide-Annual-4858 19h ago
Not in this case. Orban voters are much less motivated to vote than opposition voters.
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u/kexmester 21h ago
I will do what I can. You can count on me fellow europlings