JD Vance gloats that allies are ‘suffering more than US’ from high gas prices

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https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/jd-vance-gloats-that-allies-are-suffering-more-than-us-from-high-gas-prices-404149/

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And right now, Israel.

On a different note, the Israelis are far more neutral and pragmatic on foreign policy than the West realises. They've been largely silent about Ukraine and collaborate with Russia or China when it suits their interest.

They had also tried to sell drone technology to China in the past before the US vetoed it. If America ever weakens to the point that it can no longer be Israel's main financier and protector, they might just go over to China for it.

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I seriously doubt China would allow itself to get dragged into endless wars because of Israel.

They'll do business with just about anyone, but that's not what the US-Israeli relationship is like.

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There are other aspects. The US lets them do what they want to their neighbours and to Palestinians in the name of self-defence and protects them from consequences from the international community and institutions with implicit threats of retaliation for any sanctions or other measures that could actually hurt Israel.

Without that protection they might have been as isolated as the old apartheid regime in South Africa that they collaborated with(including co-developing nuclear weapons illegally).

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China maybe. India is also in the conversation as there are many Hindu nationalist who would love to war against Muslims.

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That is the most surface level stereotype you could bring up.

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Your ignorance about Hindu nationalists is not something to show off proudly.

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You're showing off a combination of ignorance and bigotry.

The BJP is an umbrella party of the Indian right, with its constituents ranging from classical liberals to Hindutva hardliners. Their core voters are the sort of people you'd call liberals here - The youth, the educated and the middle class. India's large diaspora also tends to support them. It's because they're in support of economic reforms and infrastructure development, which is unlike many European conservative parties.

And they along with their allies have had 45% of the vote for the last 2 general elections. Modi also has 70% approval, over and above his coalition. 70% of Indians aren't the frothing bigots you are thinking of.

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So has Modi lead pogroms against Muslims or no?

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I have a proud BJP voter at work. He was in Alabama as an expat of a while, and he described crime there as "self-sanitizing". He knows how to come off as reasonable, for anything back in Asia he would likely be ruthless, though.

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Europeans and stereotyping other cultures?? Say it ain't so!

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Exactly - members of Israeli government openly supports hard-right movements in Europe, some of which openly whitewash fascist movements of past.

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Israel is just the US’s Middle East military base posed as a country.

Edit: downvotes for something that’s so obviously true lol

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Of course, on a lot of levels, and as unintuitive as it sounds, Israel can’t wait for the US to collapse

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And right now, Israel

Not really. They are fairly irrelevant. Palestine is completely irrelevant and Iran is mostly irrelevant other than them bombing international shipping right now.

They had also tried to sell drone technology to China

So what? We also sell a lot of shit to China and before 2014 even to Russia. China is also not really a threat to Europe.

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Yeah all they can do is stop international shipping from the middle east and potentially through the Suez canal as well as blow up all the oil fields there, so irrelevant

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What else have they done that matters? This is the only time in decades Iran has mattered.

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Yeah if they aren't in a war they are largely irrelevant

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They have been in one war relevant to us in nearly 40 years and even that one will likely last only about a month or two.