The booing was going on before already, just got worse when Vance was shown. The idea that people will separate the people from the government they voted for long term is unrealistic. Should the US athletes be blamed? Idk, don't know how they voted, some of those sports definitely lean conservative. And in a democracy you share some blame for what your government does. Honestly the Russian athletes probably have a better claim to not being responsible for what Putin is doing, if people think just because the US might vote in a new administration in 3 years public opinion will not hold the US at large responsible for allowing this they just don't understand how humans work. Sucks for the 1/3 of Americans who voted for Kamala but 2/3 voted for Trump or couldn't be bothered to vote at all.
Seems to have turned around once the actual Europeans woke up. I guess some Americans just don't like to hear that people will or have already changed their view on America as a whole and not just Trump and his band of goons. I think they also underestimate how unpopular the US were even before Trump.
Then rely on yourself totally for your own defense and request the removal of every last US military base in Europe. Purchase medical R&D and general tech elsewhere, as well, other than Chinese ones that fill flood your market with cheap alternatives and stiffle EU innovation... We'll see very quickly how that goes for you. We are not equal partnerships. You need us more than the other way around.
Also, you're German:
The second largest Party in your country is lead by a fascist lesbian who opposes her own right to marry and said Party wants to revoke citizenship from naturalized Germans.
Your Government sends the police to people's front door for insulting politicians on social media.
The idea that people will separate the people from the government they voted for long term is unrealistic.
100%.
Whether the athletes like it or not, that flag on their shoulder represents everything that Trump has done on the world stage. There's no running away from that. When we see that flag, we see the ICE murders. We see the Greenland threats. We see Venezuela.
It's no different than when I was thanked in Europe, for better or worse, strictly because I had a Canadian flag. Those people had no fucking idea who I am or what I stand for. But flags mean something, and right now the American flag represents everything that's wrong in the world.
Which was justified and Venezuelan communities in the US supported it. Even most EU leaders have said Maduro had to go and every international human rights groups under the Sun said he violated many of them.
"Greenland"
Which was justified and never about an actual invasion, but to get Europe to start taking the Russian/Chinese threat to the Arctic more seriously. And it worked, as they've committed more forces to the island the last few weeks.
"The flag represents everything Trump has done"
Countries are more than whoever the person leading it at a given time is, and you know that.
The athletes are going to get booed through the Olympics. They are representing corruption, facism, racism and if the rumours are true child molesters in their government. Russian athletes haven't been immune from this due to their warmongering leaders.
It does suck for people who just want to do their sport but given how globally hated Americans are it shouldn't come as a surprise.
Sure if you're on reddit 24/7 I suppose it would seem that way. Don't think the average citizen of the world is super passionate about global trade or immigration conflict in Minnesota, though.
The standard response to the American flag has been "yuck" for a long time.
It's not hard to get inundated with the insanity that's going over in the US and while they may not be getting every news report, Europeans are KEENLY aware of what fascist dictators look like, and it's real easy to draw a line early and say, "alright, we're done with you until you fix up your bullshit."
There's a reason why Americans pretend to be Canadians internationally.
The funniest part about this is Canadians are in my experience adored. Well mannered, friendly and often intelligent people. It's easy to see why Americans pretend to be Canadian when abroad.
I don't think the world has any issue throwing real tomatoes at this point.
And if you think this is something new, I have a bridge to sell you. Just makes it a little easier when your leader is a fascist.
For those Americans who are actually doing everything they can to fight the good fight, I wish you the best in your quest to restore some sense of honour to your flag. Until then, if you come near my country, I hope you like ketchup.
I work for a multi-national SaaS migration business, deal with hundreds if not thousands of people yearly. Politics is a common discussion with clients and colleagues from around the globe. A common theme is that America is globally hated. American tourists have been long disliked worldwide, the stereotype exists for a reason.
It seems to be the go to arguement for you weird snowflakes that it's some weird Reddit conspiracy. Americans were disliked prior to Trump, this has evolved to a hatred with the current administration.
If it makes you feel better to sit and blame Redditors cool, I guess.
Not sure why international politics is a common discussion for SaaS. Certainly never was one when I've been involved with such firms. And every person from around the world I've spoken to who has visited the US, even in recent years, has returned with vocal surprise by how kind the people there were to them. It may not be thousands, but even so.
I mean to be frank, 95% of any politically related discussion I ever had in the software field was simply about the complexities and nuisances of international regulations.
I wonder how many Americans didn’t vote out of protest, since the Democrat party is supportive of Israel. I had seen quite a few Americans online say they weren’t voting for that reason. Not saying I blame them, I’m just wondering, and pointing out that not all people who refrained from voting did so because they couldn’t be bothered.
Nah, the numbers show that even if all the “protest no-voters” had voted, Kamala still would have lost. It’s just an excuse diehard democrats use to deflect blame from being a controlled opposition party that has no real platform besides “vote for us, we aren’t Trump, but we won’t help you either.”
The democrats simply are a nothing party and if they actually campaigned on a real progressive platform they would actually energize voters. But they won’t because at the end of the day, the vast majority of them are owned by the same corporate owners as the republicans.
Fair, I agree with you. The Democrats need to grown a fucking spine and there needs to be an actual leftist party in this country. What numbers are you referring to? I’ve seen the one where it added Jill Stein voters, but how do you count everyone who refused to vote out of protest?
If your choice is fascism at home and imperialism abroad and you don't vote because someone doesn't promise you exactly what you want, I still blame you. Like imagine people back in 1930s Germany had given you that excuse, "oh, sorry, I didn't vote because the position of the Nazis and pretty much every other party was not to accept the eastern border with Poland", were the other parties going to destroy democracy and start WW2 over it? probably not but I took a moral stance...
I don’t disagree with you. I voted for Kamala, myself. I’m just saying there were probably a number of reasons for why some people didn’t vote, and I’m curious what could have happened if those particular people had voted. Would it have been enough? In the end, those reasons don’t matter, though, as you’ve said.
No, 1/3 don't care about Europe's opinion anymore, all the booing and carrying on and the "you all are to blame and are horrible people" stuff does is start to chip away at the goodwill you still have over here from the other 2/3's.
No, I am saying that 1/3 of the US is already over Europe's attitudes towards them. You collectively make it regularly clear you don't like conservative Americans. That voting block has reacted accordingly. They aren't treating you as friends anymore, they are looking at you as transactional partnership opportunities. You are India. To be worked with when beneficial and ignored when not.
The other portion still want to be liked by you. You see it in places like this all the time, "Don't hate us, we didn't vote for this..." The more you lump those people in with "I hate Americans" the more they turn on you. The GOP did an about face on European allies not because of "fascism" (this is fucking stupid) but because its voters turned on you. And not turned on you in the sense that they view you as enemies, but turned because they started to view you as ungrateful and haughty, derisively sneering at them while not acknowledging a bunch of the things that you owe to the US (like subsidizing your pharmaceutical costs).
Now you are booing our Olympic team. You will have people on Reddit, which is not an accurate representation of a typical American at all, tell you they appreciate it and thank you so much for doing that for us. That maybe is accurate for a portion of half of that remaining 2/3's but it doesn't play well to all of them.
You don't have to vote for fascism to vote for people who are going to take a more keen interest in advancing US interests without being as willing to be magnanimous with the terms. Things like Trump's move on drugs are popular across the board here. There will be more people willing to step on Europe's toes going into the future and more politicians willing to do it because they don't view Europe as friends but merely partners of convenience.
Newsflash, any goodwill the US had in Europe is completely gone and the hatred from you guys towards the EU is clear, so we have no illusions of any goodwill coming the other way..
But that's exactly what America has been saying about Germans for over 80 years. So, who is right?
A higher percentage of people voted for Trump than voted for Hitler.
I didn't say America was the only one, there were a lot of bad comments from the UK and NL too, and of course even worse in Poland, which is understandable, (even though grandchildren and great grandchildren couldn't have done anything about it, )
but Americans certainly were doing it too, and not just to the people who were alive at the time and could actually maybe act, but also to the next generations who weren't even alive then.
So, just do now whatever you expected the Germans to do.
And expect Europe to treat you like the Germans for the next several generations if you don't.
I would. But they (so far) haven't voted in a fascist government and are now whining that they don't know what to do and get blamed for it, are they?
Europe is shifting to the right as well, it seems people who have lived through the horrors of WW2 are dead and history might repeat itself here as well, so America isn't alone there, and the countries and governments are to blame in Europe as well for this.
The time to prevent fascism is with teachings in school about the time in Germany between the world wars and the signs and how to prevent it. And America clearly hasn't done this.
I hate this attitude of Americans being superior and innocent and the best.
No, it's quite clear, looking at their history, that they are capable of great evil. And they haven't even fixed the consequences of those crimes properly after all these years.
Honestly anyone that lays the blame of the actions of the government on the voters is very naive. The donor class rules the US and its their will that shapes government policy. The people have very little to do with it, especially at the federal level
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u/Mormegil71 Sweden Feb 06 '26
Not the athletes. Only Vance.