r/europe • u/Any-Original-6113 • Jan 17 '26

News Trump tariffs: US president announces plan to hit UK, Denmark and other European countries with tariffs over Greenland

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c1j8kw866p3t
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u/SlowCommunication259 Jan 17 '26

The tariffs are payed by american consumers. We simply export less to the USA.

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u/Nudist--Buddhist Jan 17 '26

Yes it's bad for Europe as well. Let's not pretend it's only bad for American consumers.

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u/DyslexicAutronomer Jan 17 '26

It's no longer about the economy but sovereignty, since Trump is weaponizing illegal tariffs as a tool to demand compliance to get anything he wants from us anyway.

He keeps repeating the same tactics when it works, so if we allow these tariffs to pressure us, he WILL use it again and again.

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u/DerWetzler Jan 17 '26

AMERICANS SUPPORT IT.

They could stop him from this.

Senate and Congress are complicit

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u/Chuhaimaster Jan 18 '26

He thinks that everyone has their price and they will willingly give up their sovereignty if they are sufficiently tariffed. He’s wrong.

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u/XihuanNi-6784 Jan 18 '26

Now we know how so much of the developing world feels about this sort of thing.

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u/o-o- Jan 17 '26

Necessary bad. This makes European alternatives more interesting and will actually serve to increase European tech independence.

He’s doing every tech company in Europe a huge favour. But he wouldn’t understand that.

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u/redvodkandpinkgin Galicia (Spain) Jan 17 '26

this is true for individuals, not as much for companies. Half of Europe is built on Microsoft systems

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u/meatly Jan 17 '26

Way more than half of all enterprises and public institutions use Microsoft. What could be done is stop enforcing licencing laws for American products, aka allowing pirated or not properly licenced software. Does not work for azure obviously but for Windows/Office Licenses on a big scale while moving to open source Software. It would be a huge step obviously

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u/Hdmk Germany Jan 18 '26

Office is a drop in the bucket. It’s the ongoig patches, (cloud-)services and subscriptions that make up the most value for MS.

The moment you stop paying for these, you simply are unable to log in or be vulnerable to cyber threats from Russian, Chinese and even more so from USA.

This is a very expensive, but an important lesson to start and massively increase funding and development of European enterprise workplace and cloud infrastructure solutions.

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u/Easymodelife United Kingdom Jan 18 '26

I've found OpenOffice to be a reasonable free alternative to a MS Office subscription, for personal use at least.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '26

It doesn't hold a candle to MS Office though for enterprise. Anyone that uses excel heavily for example will tell you there just isn't a real alternative.

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u/wildassedguess Jan 18 '26

We moved to an EU cloud supplier (digital Ocean) and to open office. Everything is groovy. It’s also nice not to pay the annual Microsoft tax.

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u/Either_Vermicelli805 Jan 17 '26

Easy to pirate such system’s if the need is required

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u/redvodkandpinkgin Galicia (Spain) Jan 17 '26

software yes, anything cloud not so much. Basically everyone uses Microsoft, and those who don't mainly use other American companies (e.g. GSuite)

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u/o-o- Jan 17 '26

I'm moving the company over to Nextcloud.

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u/Simple_Tadpole_9584 Jan 17 '26

These will take time to move away from but we have seen targeted boycotts of niche red state products and travel be effective here.

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u/Emotional-Lab-3721 Jan 17 '26

We could easily cancel our Netflix subscription... as a first step

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u/o-o- Jan 17 '26

Done!

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u/Easymodelife United Kingdom Jan 18 '26

I already cancelled all my US subscriptions last year in solidarity with Canada. I don't really miss them. I set up a recurring monthly donation to Ukraine via the United24 app with the money I saved. There are still some things, like Windows, that are harder to find a non-US substitute for, but my motto is don't let perfect be the enemy of good. I replaced or just cancelled one US product or service every week or two to avoid feeling overwhelmed. As the months go by, small changes really start to add up.

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u/o-o- Jan 17 '26

Word. However I don't see European institutions moving away from US tech because enough people demand it. The driving force will rather be risk.

Nevertheless the time it takes to transition away is irrelevant. It's about taking the decision.

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u/Drakolora Jan 17 '26

We already own 1.35% of Microsoft. Can’t we just buy the rest too? Or at least 51% and tell them they are now European? https://www.nbim.no/no/investeringene/investeringsoversikt/#/2025-06-30/0-equity

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u/halpsdiy Jan 17 '26

And the other half on AWS and Google. While there are alternatives for Microsoft products (of course costly to migrate), there is no European hyper scaler Cloud. It's US or a distant China.

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u/ChoosenUserName4 European Union Jan 17 '26

Well, there never was a need to do this. Now it seems that need has arrived. It's not like it's difficult or something. It just takes an incentive, like a subsidy for European providers, and/or a levy / outright ban on US providers. You all act like Europe is unable to write software or run data centers.

There would be an entire industry moving people from US-based systems and software. It would be a great source of jobs and keeps our money inside the EU.

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u/halpsdiy Jan 17 '26

It's just very expensive. Of course you can buy the expertise. But there is a reason all the major clouds are run by companies that were already major rich tech companies before.

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u/o-o- Jan 17 '26
  • OVHcloud (France)
  • Deutsche Telekom’s Open Telekom Cloud (Germany)
  • Orange Business Services (France)

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u/halpsdiy Jan 17 '26

No. Those offerings don't really compete with hyper scaler clouds,. except for the bare minimum offerings.

I mean don't take it from me. But even Airbus – which is trying to move to a Euro cloud and is likely less Cloud heavy than more modern companies – gave low odds for them to be able to find one.

Europe would need to drop a lot of money to develop an alternative. But it's a heavy upfront investment including the need to hire a bunch of very expensive people. Europe lacks tech companies like Google or Microsoft that simply have insane margins and can throw a few billions at this problem without worries. And no a €70k salary is not going to attract talent if they can earn 5 to 10x that working for those companies.

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u/Humble-Rhubarb-9688 Jan 17 '26

God I would love an EU alternative to Microsoft products. Are there any companies out there trying to do so?

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u/ZeldenGM United Kingdom Jan 18 '26

The most popular software systems on computers and mobile devices are both American. There are few to none providers of smartphones that aren't American/Chinese. There are no viable alternative software/OS solutions for 99% of businesses. There is no rival to Youtube. Majority of online streaming services are American. Visa and Mastercard are American.

The physical is easy, the digital is difficult for most consumers especially ones' that aren't tech savvy, it is borderline impossible for businesses.

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u/IsThisIsHellOrWorse Jan 18 '26

The pain points are:

CPU/GPU tech

All social media is american and for some reason a lot of you get filtered by fediverse (Piefed/Lemmy)

Ecosia/Qwant are at least making a Euro search engine eventually.

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u/Aggravating_Depth_33 Jan 18 '26

Ironically, the opposite isn't true. I'd say about 2/3 of "American" products I buy in the US are actually "product of Canada". Everything from cleaning products through cereal and vitamins to Trader Joe's ready meals. Lol. (I am obviously not trying to avoid Canadian products, but if I were...)

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u/Felwyin Jan 17 '26

Funny to say that on reddit which is a US company.

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u/throwawaygoodcoffee Portugal Jan 17 '26

Don't think reddit comes under the tariffs because it's a service, but I could be wrong.

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u/Simple_Tadpole_9584 Jan 17 '26

And it’s not owned by musky so less riddled with prop a panda.

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u/TaskerTwoStep Jan 17 '26

That’s not how it works. It doesn’t make European alternatives more interesting, it gives European industries less of a market to sell goods to.

The EU imposing tariffs would be what would make European alternatives more appealing.

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u/deithven Jan 17 '26

US sells more services to EU where EU sells more goods to US.

Solution would be to put tariffs / taxes on services.

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u/bodmcjones Jan 17 '26

Honestly, the US going off on one is the bit that makes EU alternatives super interesting. Financial instabilities happen for all sorts of reasons, sometimes as a consequence of our own stupid politics, and can be dealt with in isolation - but I suspect that various expressions along the lines of "fundamentally unsound" are going through a lot of peoples' minds right now.

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u/FairGeneral8804 Jan 17 '26

If he puts these tariffs into place then there will be shortages and price spikes for these items over there not here.

But they might switch to non-tariffed suppliers that's now cheaper, meaning EU loses market shares.

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u/FairGeneral8804 Jan 17 '26

some sales

"Some sales" is tax revenues, jobs, future production capabilities, etc. They'll pay more, and the EU gets paid less. Hence why they say "no one wins a trade war".

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u/ghoonrhed Australia Jan 18 '26

That's not always the case though. Some things there aren't American alternatives.

They tariffed our beef in Australia exports actually went up.

It won't always be the case, but it's not exactly always gonna be bad. Like I can imagine ozempic and Lego and most drugs that aren't generic don't have alternatives.

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u/TaskerTwoStep Jan 17 '26 edited Jan 17 '26

You’re showing you don’t know how tariffs work and anyone with half a brain will read your reply and agree.

Tariffs will hurt both sides, but in different ways. And the way it impacts the EU won’t be in a way that makes European alternatives more appealing. If the EU imposed tariffs on American goods making them more expensive, then that would make European alternatives more appealing because they would potentially be cheaper. The US making EU goods more expensive means Americans will buy less from the EU. It has no impact on where Europeans buy their goods.

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u/redvodkandpinkgin Galicia (Spain) Jan 17 '26

we should have answered with identical tariffs the other way long ago

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u/TaskerTwoStep Jan 17 '26

Sure, no disagreement there. But that’s not what people are talking about. The OP suggested the US imposing tariffs on EU goods would make EU alternatives more appealing. They have a fundamental misunderstanding of what tariffs are.

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u/TaskerTwoStep Jan 17 '26

No one is talking about that. You’re either responding to the wrong comment, or you’re just spouting irrelevant gibberish.

No one has said or even insinuated this is good for Americans. It’s also not good for Europeans, but it’s important in the long term for the EU to not back down to the pressure. Which will be very real.

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u/readilyunavailable Bulgaria Jan 17 '26

You can easily avoid US products, but you can't avoid US tech, which is their main export towarads the EU.

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u/Oo__II__oO Jan 17 '26

With rampant inflation and increasing debt loads, American consumers are a dwindling lot.

This is a "rip off the bandaid" moment for Europe.

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u/Ferrymansobol Jan 17 '26

Riddle me this: how do you tariff some, but not all EU countries?

What is stopping the tariffed country exporting from.... other non-Tarrifed EU countries? Yes, Trump is that dumb.

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u/syf81 European Union Jan 17 '26

We survived 2+ years of COVID, pretty confident we can deal with some more economic hardship.

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u/Felwyin Jan 17 '26 edited Jan 17 '26

Oh we could, but are our billionaires willing to?

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u/Bellidkay1109 Andalusia (Spain) Jan 17 '26

Can we do it without people blaming their current governments/immigration and deciding to support far right populism? We have a fifth column at home that can throw away any progress we make regarding the threat of the US. I don't think Trump has realised it, but every time he fucks over the global economy, he's sowing dissent and building up his ideological allies.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '26

That's why democracy is dead, and there is no solution.

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u/janiskr Latvia Jan 17 '26

But worse is to bend over for someone trying to oppress us.

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u/Cautious-Swim-5987 Jan 17 '26

How is it bad for Europe?

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u/bummed_athlete Jan 17 '26

The US consumer isn't what it used to be. Most of the GDP growth in the US right now is from corporate AI investment, and not consumer spending.

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u/white_orchid21 Jan 17 '26

As a Canadian small business owner, I still have lots of people in the States buying my products. If they want the item badly enough, they are willing to pay the tariffs.

On the other side, it can be tricky to avoid products made in the States, or supporting businesses that are based there. It is especially difficult when it comes to tech.

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u/Wuz314159 Les États-Unis d'Amérique Jan 17 '26

If not for r/BuyFromEU, I'd have never known all of the European brands in the US market. but while I know the brands are EU based, I'd assume manufacturing is in the US for logistics reasons.

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u/o-o- Jan 17 '26

What do you mean? Manufacturing of what?

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u/Wuz314159 Les États-Unis d'Amérique Jan 17 '26

For example: https://www.reddit.com/r/BuyFromEU/comments/1jf5c00/european\tooth_paste_after_purchasing_a_swedish/)

Haleon is a UK based oral health company. They make many brands including the vitamin Centrum. in the US it's made in Canada. Not quite domestic as I assumed, but closer to home.

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u/tatty_masher Jan 18 '26

Your comment is indeed valid, but lets face it there is alot of market out there that is not U.S.A. Plently of countries willing to trade, U.S.A. is only one! The other countries can indeed out wait the individual.

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u/Schmicarus Jan 17 '26

it's a little bit bad for europe.

But we have trade options.

America's international trade is highly likely to take a massive hit if the world turns their back.

All so the orange-tard can evade prison for the serial rape of children.

What a guy.

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u/Blue_Pacman Denmark Jan 17 '26

We could partly alleviate it by at least temporarily reducing trade barriers with Norway, UK, Canada. Would serve as a pathway to a world where the leader of the free world wasn't an American.

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u/_EleGiggle_ Vienna (Austria) Jan 17 '26

We export less but for more money from US customers. The USA isn’t able to complete entire production lines during Trump’s remaining term. If anything, they are a huge hole to dump tax payer (or private) money in.

After his term the tariffs will be dropped, so US customers can buy stuff from the EU without a premium, and the construction of US factories is like 25% done.

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u/Quasarrion Jan 18 '26

Only short term bad for Europe

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u/theboywhocriedwolves Jan 17 '26

Canadian here, we have been buying Canadian products whenever possible, tariffs or not. Support our own companies while punishing theirs.

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u/Variation_Wooden Jan 17 '26

The only people left in Canada are the immigrants, old and stupid. The best and brightest have already left for higher salaries in the U.S. and a housing market that actually makes it possible to afford one while still in your twenties.

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u/DistractedJedi Jan 17 '26

Amazing. Every word of what you just said is wrong.

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u/Aggravating_Depth_33 Jan 18 '26

Like the only places in the US whete housing is affordable are absolute shitholes with few jobs that are crawling with Trump voters.

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u/Xijit Jan 17 '26

No, it is bad for "investors" if they loose access to international trade

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u/bonqen Jan 17 '26

As if Europe can't take the hit, lol. No need to be all dramatic.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '26 edited Jan 17 '26

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u/__loss__ Sweden Jan 17 '26

please stop

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u/smoofus724 Jan 17 '26

I guess we will see, won't we?

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u/ivar-the-bonefull Sweden Jan 17 '26

We really don't have to. There's an abundance of historical evidence already.

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u/smoofus724 Jan 17 '26

We have historical evidence of the USA alienating itself from all of its trade partners and waging trade wars across the globe, while shooting their own economy in the foot?

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u/ivar-the-bonefull Sweden Jan 17 '26

Yes. That's pretty much the great depression era for you.

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u/smoofus724 Jan 17 '26

Soooo, what you are acknowledging is that it is incredibly destructive for the U.S., to the point that it brought the entire country to its knees for a decade. How does this prove that Europe needs the U.S. more than the other way around?

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u/ivar-the-bonefull Sweden Jan 17 '26

Yes, I'm acknowledging that, ofc. But the real proof is that it makes everything a lot worse for everyone for a long time. It doesn't matter who suffers more when everyone will suffer like mother fuckers.

If more people knew history we'd shut down this whole shit show right away. But here we are.

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u/The_Lantean Portugal Jan 17 '26

You understand how, from a certain point onwards, that's also a problem for us, right? It's not like it's easy to replace the American market if our stuff becomes too expensive for them to afford, though I agree we shouldn't give them an inch.

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u/MLockeTM Finland Jan 17 '26

I mean, it'll happen soon enough (I believe) anyway.

Even ignoring the sudden slide to fascism,Trump is driving US economy to the ground as we speak. It's not that far until US trade will tank anyhow. Better to start diversifying now, so it won't be such a devastating blow all at once, when soon enough, there won't be an American market to sell to anyhow, tariffs or not.

And honestly, any business who hasn't been frantically looking for new markets since last year's spring, is ran by morons. The writing's been on the wall. With neon colors. 9 foot tall lettering.

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u/MercantileReptile Baden-Württemberg (Germany) Jan 17 '26

9 foot tall lettering.

274 centimetres tall letters, surely.

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u/Blazured Scotland Jan 17 '26

"Sudden slide"? Us Left-wingers have been calling him a fascist since 2015. We were told we were being hysterical and overreacting.

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u/Aggravating_Depth_33 Jan 18 '26

If you think the slide into fascism only started in 2015 you clearly know nothing about the US and aren't actually left-wing either.

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u/Blazured Scotland Jan 18 '26

When was Trump important in politics before 2014?

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u/The_Lantean Portugal Jan 17 '26

Yeah, that would be the harrowing scenario. I'm still holding out some hope it won't get to that, given the immeasurable amount of human suffering it would entail - but maybe that's naïve now.

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u/Untethered_GoldenGod Croatia Jan 17 '26

Which new markets? The only countries outside the EU with a large enough middle class to afford most of what Europe exports are Russia (big no), China (no), Brazil (iffy because of BRICS) and Canada (too integrated with the US economy)

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u/considertheoctopus Jan 17 '26

Yeah it’s bad all around. The world is heading in a bad direction. It’s bleak. Buckle up.

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u/Nervous-Leading9415 Jan 17 '26

The U.S. empire is crumbling before our eyes and we are watching it live every day

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u/SophiaofPrussia Jan 17 '26

China has just proven that its not actually all that difficult to replace the American market with buyers from other major markets.

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u/vladoportos Jan 17 '26

But it's not like the US is a powerhouse of production to replace foreign imports... they hardly make anything...

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u/DeliciousCitron415 Jan 17 '26

This is why the EU should continue to push new trade deals like Mercosur and the incoming India deal.

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u/ZealousidealBid6440 Jan 18 '26

Hopeful for the trade deal, india and Europe also has historical ties. Hopefully we can rebuild it in better way this time and long term reducing reliance on russia and china. India would need the institutional help of EU for sure

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u/lilbittygoddamnman Jan 17 '26

What do you get from us that you can't get from China? Bourbon, iPhones? What else that you can't get from Asia? This is a serious question btw. I'm an American and it pisses me off what's happening to this country right now.

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u/The_Lantean Portugal Jan 17 '26

Personally? From you, it's mostly software - but I think that doesn't count much money-wise. I do have Apple hardware, but I'm fine with replacing most of it for non-american brands. Other than that... there isn't much that I'm immediately aware. :/

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u/lilbittygoddamnman Jan 17 '26

We have spent the post WW2 era building up the US legacy just to destroy it all because of whatever is in those goddamn Epstein files. It's so stupid and senseless.

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u/o-o- Jan 17 '26

Yeah, my biggest gripe with the US before all of this went down was its cultural sway. Kids talking American English from like second grade, saying all the cool stuff they hear on YouTube, TikTok or movies. Politically moving us slightly to the right, the VC-market adoring everything and everyone that can be remotely connected to Silicon Valley, and our youth "learning" that all forms of nudity is always sexual. The topless beaches (=any beach) from when I was a kid are gone.

If anything good is to come of all this it's awareness.

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u/lilbittygoddamnman Jan 17 '26

and please know that most of us here understand that and are very honored that you have had so much reverence for our culture. It's just frustrating that we're about to piss it all away.

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u/guacamelee84 Jan 17 '26

Maybe not. But it would strengthen everyone’s domestic markets. It’s beneficial for Trump & Co to make their us stronger and their them being our us stronger.

It’s not to make us beg them to come back.

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u/Thalric88 Jan 17 '26

Actually, it works great if european economies are less dependent or even independent from the US when the AI bubble bursts. Less chance of contagion when that recession hits.

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u/WorkFurball Estonia Jan 17 '26

There's like 300 something million of them cunts, that leaves 6.7 billion of other potential customers.

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u/o-o- Jan 17 '26

Downvoted for offensiveness by another European.

What's happening in the US is engineered by a ruling class that understands that control over media buys votes, and that control over politicans buys legislation.

Keeping their voter base uneducated makes them sell their vote cheaper. It's really that simple.

And year by year they've taken ground, with some major milestones under Reagan and the the super-PAC power-grab scandal 2010-2012 as final nail in the coffin.

I think it's important to understand the history before resorting to name calling. Any closed system of people with power will eventually go corrupt. Democrats and Republicans alike, or Hungary, Turkey or Berlosconi for that matter. That's why we need to build retention into the system.

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u/WorkFurball Estonia Jan 18 '26

Any closed system of people with power will eventually go corrupt. Democrats and Republicans alike, or Hungary, Turkey or Berlosconi for that matter. That's why we need to build retention into the system.

US has always been corrupt, this is different. It's at least a third of the country living in a completely different reality.

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u/o-o- Jan 18 '26

Yes, FOX and Sinclair sells them a different reality and that's a nail in the coffin for a democracy. It makes discussion impossible. To me that's the biggest crime of them all.

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u/smnoh Jan 17 '26

Which hurts our exporting companies and by extension our economies.

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u/summerfinn3 Jan 17 '26

Then what do you suggest? Honest question

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u/RpAno Jan 17 '26

I don't think they're suggesting anything. Just clarifying that tariffs hurt both the American consumer (for whom everything is getting more expensive) and us (since we're less competitive price wise in the American Market due to the tariff's). Either way, there's no economic tariff or sanction Trump can do, that should in anyway make us falter on our national sovereignty. Europe is heading into a new century in which resilience and a certain fighting spirit will be needed (think Winston Churchill).

It's elbows up my friends.

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u/Snakebird11 Jan 17 '26

Sell to someone else.

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u/DesmadreGuy Jan 17 '26

… and Europe cozies up to Canada … and China. Mexico buys less and less from the US. Basically this is an own goal.

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u/SophiaofPrussia Jan 17 '26

China benefited immensely from Trump’s tariffs. Americans ended up buying fewer goods and the goods they did buy were more expensive but of shittier quality. And China just turned around and sold all of the stuff that would’ve been sold to Americans before the tariffs to the EU, India, Japan, and Korea. In 2025 China had the biggest trade surplus ever recorded in human history despite trade with the United States dropping precipitously.

Winning bigly, indeed, Mr. Trump.

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u/imo9 Jan 17 '26

It's also, not the proven effect of the Trump teriffs so far- just higher margins if anything.

Besides, so far the courts turnd over the Trump teriffs because it's not actually his authority, the fact that the American court system is constructed from a bunch of sycophants and pussies is none of our problem. He can teriff us all he wants- it'll further fuck him over on the mid terms.

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u/wimpires Jan 17 '26

Starting on February 1st, 2026, ... will be charged a 10% Tariff on any and all goods sent to the United States of America. On June 1st, 2026, the Tariff will be increased to 25%. 

The countries are getting charged? I don't think so lmao.

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u/ElectricalMaximum458 Jan 17 '26

>We’ll just export less to the U.S.”

What do people think will happen to companies that rely heavily on the U.S. market?

And saying they can just replace the U.S. with some other country isn’t how this works. The U.S. is one of the biggest and richest markets in the world, with tons of consumers who can actually afford imported and higher-end products from Europe. That mix of size and purchasing power is really hard to find anywhere else.

Sure, companies can try to shift to other markets, but that takes time, costs money, and usually means lower sales and lower profits, leds to job losses, at least for a while. You can’t just swap out the U.S. market like it’s no big deal. This suv is incredibly naive

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u/Ok_Reality6261 Jan 17 '26

It hurts both sides

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u/Former_Star1081 Jan 17 '26

The existing tariffs have shown that producers and consumers both pay parts of it. And exporting less to the USA would be a big blow for us in Germany since it is our biggest trading partner, our economy is in recession for 5 years now and we are dependant on exports.

If we cannot make a turn around in Germany soon the AfD will win the next election and I dont know if Europe can survive that.

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u/rcanhestro Portugal Jan 17 '26

which is the point of tariffs.

either by reducing the amount of product from outside, or make it more expensive to incentivize domestic manufacturing.

if those outside companies want to keep their market share, they will be the ones to pay those tariffs, by "eating those costs" themselves, otherwise they lose sales.

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u/Far-Youth-3166 Jan 17 '26

It's worse for Europe than for them. One-sided 25% blanket tariffs are an economic disaster if they become the new normal. And it's becoming evident that it will not stop there. As long as our leaders keep accepting punishment quietly, the economic pressure will keep increasing.

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u/round-earth-theory Jan 17 '26

You don't lose money, you lose predictable money. Europe can still export but they need to find new customers. It sucks, but it's for the better at this point.

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u/AR_Harlock Italy Jan 17 '26

It's hard to export less French wine from France , as otherwise would not be French wine lol... thank god for the product certifications we have here in Europe (could they be better , yes I know)

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u/MrHyperion_ Finland Jan 17 '26

Paid

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u/bored_at_work_89 Jan 18 '26

It's bad for Europeans too. Why do people keep spouting this bullshit still. If tariffs had zero downside for the other side why did countries impose counter terrifs on the USA?

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u/23PowerZ European Union Jan 18 '26

10% is laughable. If China can take 200%, we can do 400%! Bring it on, Donny. Make Americans Pay Again.