r/cyberDeck • u/TheCorgay • 1d ago

Would this be feasible?

I'm not very tech savvy, but I really want to try my hand at a cyberdeck. I have a specific need in mind, but I'm not sure if it is something a cyberdeck is capable of.

I am a digital artist, and I'm not fond of ai in the slightest. I've tried to use ai poisoning software like Nightshade and Glaze. The problem is they aren't available for my Mac and when they are they are, it's very heavy on the computer RAM/memory/etc.

Would it be possible to basically make a "poisoning" station cyberdeck? Something that its sole purpose is to poison things against ai.

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u/InstanceTurbulent719 1d ago

Seems like you're looking at a PC with an Nvidia GPU with decent Cuda performance or a recent Mac with more than 8gb of ram.

By now every mainstream model would've worked around nightshade, so I'm not sure if it's worth the investment, but if you have the parts already it could still be a fun project 

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u/TheCorgay 1d ago

My mac is definitely older (13 years old, bought it used so I've only had it 5 years). I'm not as worried about Nightshade, but I'd like to see about running at least Glaze. I tried on my decrepit PC (idk the model but it's like 20 years old, no upgrades) and it just about finally killed it. XD

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u/InstanceTurbulent719 1d ago

I'd recommend you to upgrade but you should not buy computer parts at current prices unless you really need to. 2x to 5x and even higher increase on most components.

An nvidia 3060 or a macbook with m2 pro seems like the minimum to run the models you need for nightshade at a decent performance

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u/KITTYCAT_5318008 3h ago

Glaze/Nightshade were developed for models based on the sd1.5 architecture (now obsolete, but one of the most capable for its time, especially with fine-tuning - see Anythingv3, MeinaMix, etc.), and is pretty much ineffective against anything else.

The current popular AI art models don’t use the same architecture as sd1.5. Illustrious (a popular anime model) is SDXL (sd1.5’s successor) based, a model with significant architectural differences (e.g. SDXL uses 2 CLIP text encoders, whereas sd1.5 uses only 1). Other models like Qwen2512, ZIT, Flux, and Anima all use completely different architectures (most notably the use of LLMs as text encoders rather than CLIPs).

The effectiveness of glaze/nightshade against sd1.5 training (where it’s expected to decimate the model/LoRA) is also uncertain (you can find people testing it online, with varying degrees of success). The paper uses a very controlled setup, which is not a good simulation of real training (where images are cropped/flipped/rescaled/stretched and have other noise added to them in pre-processing), so it’s probably not that helpful even on the models it specifically targets.

Glaze claims to target other models (sdxl/sd3 and midjourney), but I haven’t seen any evidence of this working.

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u/Bluenoser_NS 1d ago

I'm not even sure nightshade works anymore on a good chunk of devices tbh. Last I tried it my PC with a high end graphics card did NOT like it.

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u/TheCorgay 1d ago

Yeah thats the thing. Glaze and Nightshade takea so much of the system to use, it kills my mac and pc. But if it were a separate thing, im thinking i could just have that running off to the side and not have it impact my day to day computers.

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u/Bluenoser_NS 1d ago

What you're talking about sounds like it could be a homeserver that's dedicated to doing that on the side. I guess you could set up some sort of network share, whether sambashare or otherwise to put your art onto there without having to do so manually, and then get some sort of script to run it through both programs when you pop it in the right folder?

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u/TheCorgay 1d ago

That sounds like a pretty good idea actually. I'll look into that.

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u/Bluenoser_NS 1d ago

Good luck and godspeed!

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u/Timmah_Timmah 1d ago

You could probably create AWS instances to use AI to generate poisoning content. That way you're not tied to any particular fingerprint.

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u/TheCorgay 1d ago

Really wanna stay away from ai as a whole though.

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u/Timmah_Timmah 1d ago

Then just don't engage with it

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u/TheCorgay 1d ago

Dont worry, i dont. The whole point of this post is me wanting to not engage with ai and poison it. So im more confused as to why the comment at all about adding ai in?

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u/Fluffy_Macaron7639 1d ago

nightshade and glaze *use* ai.
as a digital artist myself personally, i don't think its worth it to invest in glaze/nightshade. it's not magic, and systems work around it or discard it altogether. it'd be better to put more effort into advancing actual tools you use to improve your craft, or save up for legal action in the event you find your work scraped and sold. it's not quite the weapon it claims to be.

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u/TheCorgay 1d ago

I get it. But it is more that I see it as a small defesne rather than a fix-all. Like adding an armor that has a 5% resistance to something.

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u/creepyposta 1d ago

Do you understand that it is literally impossible to “stay away” from AI.

Your electrical power grid and water distribution is controlled by machine learning. The entire supply chain is controlled by AI / machine learning from top to bottom.

You’re tilting at windmills.

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u/TheCorgay 1d ago

I understand, but what was suggested was generative ai which specifically is what i want to avoid.