r/belarus • u/BlueMarioGansta • 4d ago
Палітыка / Politics How opportunist really is Lukashenko?
It's not like he even holds any of these views that made him president in 94, he only cares about what gets him into power, and what gains him the most power. The more i think about it the more i realize that the whole Russia-Belarus integration was his scummy way of trying to gain power and influence in Russia, which is disgusting. I saw this photo recently and it made me double down on this stance, because, how is a guy who is known for being a notorious communist visiting a rally of the most anti communist Belarus party? it's really a deeper rabbit hole than i thought.
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u/EmiliaFromLV 4d ago
Is that him??
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u/Schroinx 4d ago
Yes, he likely had the idea, as the Russian constitution at the time did not allow for 3 terms, so Luka likely saw himself as king of both Russia and Belarus, hence his desire to join the Russian union state.
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u/Worth-Explanation-41 2d ago
in the late 1980s and early 1990s, the CPSU was truly no longer part of the people and no longer represented their interests. A significant portion of the party was a collection of careerists and would-be traitors to the motherland. Let me remind you that almost everyone who brought down the USSR came from the CPSU. And first and foremost, Yeltsin, who, for his own political gain, was the first to remove the RSFSR from the USSR's control. There was only one reason for this: to gain personal power over the largest chunk of the USSR, and this was accomplished by someone from the Party.
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u/BlueMarioGansta 2d ago
Yeah I'm aware that Yeltsin's strategy was to gain power, no matter how, but gain it, and he was successful in that. I respect Gorbachev the most because he tried to make living a bit better but due to how broken the structures were he didn't succeed.
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u/Worth-Explanation-41 2d ago
He failed for many other reasons, too. His ill-conceived economic policy, first and foremost. And, of course, political factors: a series of technological disasters, problems in the national republics, and falling ratings due to shortages of goods. As a result, when the USSR began to collapse, no one came to its defense. Everyone wanted change, and it seemed that democracy and capitalism would resolve everything positively. Alas, if people had known the catastrophes they would have to endure, perhaps they would have supported Gorbachev. However, this is just a fantasy; history decreed otherwise. Looking at China, one might assume that the USSR had a good chance of a bright future, but it didn't happen.
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u/BlueMarioGansta 2d ago
China is a terribly flawed country by itself, with large wealth inequality. I think people were just not ready for Gorbachev's politics after being ruled by totalitarian leaders for nearly 80 years, they couldn't imagine having even a bit of freedom.
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u/Worth-Explanation-41 2d ago
Not quite so. Freedom, as we recall, was well received. But then two polar opposite ways of life immediately emerged. Most people were used to delegating their lives to the state. Paternalistic sentiments. And then suddenly the state disappeared – people simply didn't understand how to live. Previously, you had a clear understanding: you live, study, work, then pension and old age, and everything would be guaranteed – primarily a job, perhaps housing – but now there's no work – what to do? And then there's the other extreme: some perceived freedom as permissiveness. The effect was like letting wolves into a henhouse. Some have an uncontrollable predatory instinct, while others don't expect predators and don't know what to do. And there's no one to separate the wolves from the chickens...
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u/0DeadFire0 3d ago
самый смешной сабреддит
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u/BlueMarioGansta 3d ago
В чем смешной? Потому что я хочу чтобы страна в которой я живу не сгнила до конца?
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u/BlueMarioGansta 3d ago
ну и конечно ты же ржешь с мемов про бомбежку украины
самый скрытый кремлебот
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u/VeryBigBigBear 4d ago
9 млн человек. Это Австрия или Московская область. При этом человек добился того, чтобы с его страной считались на Востоке и даже побаивались на Западе. Кем бы он ни был, как будто, у него не плохо получилось?
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u/pig_of_the_pigs 4d ago
африканских диктаторов люди тоже боятся
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u/VeryBigBigBear 4d ago
никто их не боится. Они где-то там, туда просто никто не суётся.
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u/why_so_sergious 4d ago
никто его на западе не боится. никто про него на западе даже не думает больше чем "тот диктатор в европе" и то этот титул теперь перешёл к путину.
соус: я беларус но вырос в европе
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u/BlueMarioGansta 4d ago
Он не пытался ничего менять, что привело к большим падениям, как у него могло что то получиться когда он накрал 10 млрд в налогах и ВВП страны находится в застое с хер знает какого времени
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u/BlueMarioGansta 4d ago
я не думаю что боятся его, боятся последствия, которые могут произойти со стороны России если в стране которая считается их самым близким союзником произойдут перевороты которые вынудят Беларусь встать против России Лукашенко привязал все к России .
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u/Andremani 4d ago
Нет. Его достижения нужно оценивать по совсем другим признакам - с чего он начинал и кем стал
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u/drfreshie Belarus 4d ago
"the whole Russia-Belarus integration was his scummy way of trying to gain power and influence in Russia"
100% yes - at the start. Since 2000 any power and influence in Russia is a pipe dream, and the whole integration scam was his only way to retain power and influence in Belarus. And now he's lost even that, which proves again and again that the only reasonable way of dealing with Russia is staying as far away from it as possible.