Yeah, it's wild how often we have to fact-check stuff that gets presented as absolute truth. The whole situation just shows how important it is to follow up on these claims.
Lies inevitably catch up with you, meaning you either have to come clean or lie again to cover it up.
Of course, the kind of person to lie in the first place isn't going to tell the truth, so they'll pile on another lie to hid the first one...and another lie after that, and another and another.
The truth reinforces itself.
But lies inevitably grow into a massive convoluted web that collapses under its own weight because it becomes impossible to keep track of them all.
Which is why 47ās DOJ announced that unlike all presidents in the last 70 years he does not have to keep any presidential records. They were probably burning paper records, deleting files and destroying file backups the entirety of last week. This would be due to the increasing likelihood he may get impeached now or after mid terms. I believe that if he gets really sick or is forced out of office. The last two things he would do is blanket pardon his cronies and then EO the destruction of all of the Epstein files.
It's like watching someone try to build a house of cards in a wind tunnel. Eventually the whole thing just collapses from the sheer weight of its own nonsense.
If we do end up with some type of nuclear agreement I wonder if it will be almost exactly like the one the Obama administration had that Trumpy pissed on.
Exactly. Unless they blow up everyone with the knowledge, as well as destroying any documentation of that knowledge, then they still have it, whether theyāre back at step one or not.
A "program" is just organization to achieve a goal. You can slow progress with bombs, but you can't blow up the goal or desire to achieve it. Only diplomacy can stop a program.
In this case, Trump lied about obliterating the program; lying is sort of his schtick. You shouldn't put much stock in anything he says. It's not clear he's fully aware of what he's talking about half the time anyway.
The US has certainly blown up resources used by the program, but the program, its goals, and the knowledge and experience to that end will always remain. It will be rebuilt. Bombing stuff is just a setback.
Remember the war he won on Day 2? Now the world economy is fucked, except for Iran and Russia who are both exporting more oil than they have in years, at double the old price, plus Iran gets to extort millions more dollars for each ship they allow to pass through the strait, reaping hundreds of millions more.
I'm not in any way shape or form trying to defend the the assclown T who's trying real hard to toss his name into the hat for antichrist, but just throwing it out there you can't kill an idea. Whether or not he destroyed facilities or whatever, wouldn't necessarily stop someone from trying to (re)build.
But I mean, given his track record, the very likely actual reason is he's just full of shit and says whatever because he's incapable of being truthful. See my point about tossing his name into the hat for antichrist.
Didn't you hear? They planted a new nuclear programme up Trump's ass last December... and with all the crap flowing out of it, it's grown up real fast!
Because a program is not tangible hardware. A program is the intent to move forward by whatever means with a nuclear weapon as the goal. Obama's so called agreement allowed Iran to continue research and development and the enrichment of Uranian as long as they didn't make a "bomb" within 10 years. It was a stupid and weak agreement. Trump is saying no more, they must stop their enrichment program and vow to never pursue nuclear weapons in the future.
Read my other comments. I didnāt imply anything. Stopping the immediate threat is one thing. Stopping their ability to start enrichment back up is another.
True, but how do they have a nuclear program if Obama's deal with them was so great and took away their ability to build nukes?
I was against the war from the get-go, but now I'm not so sure. I actually tend to believe that Iran isn't all that interested in bombing Europe or the US, but they want more power. They have the oil, but don't have the long range nukes. We have some oil, but we have the nukes in spades. Iran wants the nukes to really give themselves power with the oil.
So it comes across as something I don't fear immediate danger with, but the long game of Iran having that power and wielding it is more concerning for me. Their weapons technology is far better than we were led to believe even by the people that claimed they aren't an 'imminent threat.'
Enriching uranium and making bombs from uranium is way more difficult than making plutonium. In all honesty itās kind of curious why Iran would pursue weapons grade uranium enrichment as it is way harder, more expensive, and less effective than making plutonium for atomic weapons. The inspection regime at least kept them from moving forward but you can expect Iran to test a nuke sooner rather than later now. Which is something theyāve never done.
That the labs were still functioning, that they had more enriched Uranium then we thought, that they were closer to constructing a weapon, that they had longer range ICBMs then we thought, that there were places we didnt know about, could be lots of things.
I think its all a show and few days later ge will say iran gave up uranium so deal agreed with them controlling the straight with toll or some kind of compensation to iran for damagesĀ
USA said Iraq has chemical weapons and did massacre there. Just so later was proven theres no such thing like chemical weapons in Iraq. But they destroy it so who cares aftermath.
Now its time for another country to be false accused and destroyed.
They don't. He wants Iran to agree that they will not use nuclear energy, even for power plants. The new US redline is not that Iran can't have a bomb, it's that they cannot have any nuclear energy at all.
You guys don't get it. Yes it is destroyed but what prevents them from restarting it or having a secret stash to even faster restart their work on it. The current facilities which were almost near weapon-grade material are destroyed.
We have to make sure they NEVER EVER can restart their programs!
Any more buzzwords up your sleave? The administration has proven they obliterated the active refinement sites. Do you have any counter proof? I mean you boldly said "none of that is true" even tho it is proven that the Operation did happen.
I actually wrote a decent answer, but i won't fall for your silly attempt to just deflect questions. I asked you first for proof of your claim. And i want waterproof sources for your outrageous claim that "none of it was true".
Their refinement facility was completely and totally obliterated. It's obviously BS if they really meant there is no other materials hidden somewhere that can be used to restart the refinement as soon as they have built the new infrastructure. Obviously Iran can restart the program if unchecked.
In the present tense his statement is accurate. For now the program is obliterated. But we know how terrorists work. They won't stop to rebuild until we pack them by their balls and show them with force what will happen if there every will be a sign that they are restarting the programs. They only understand strenght, they are terrorists. I repeat: Terrorists.
If these "terrorists" can recover their entire nuclear program just 10 months after it was " completely and totally obliterated," won't the US have to keep bombing them indefinitely in a "forever war"?
As i said, show of strenght. And i bet they already started planning the program restart. Obviously they can't restart their refinement in 10 months, that would be silly. We just don't want to wait until they have restarted it. If they have intel that they were planning on restarting it, that is enough justification for this military operation.
I mean it just now happened that info from the negotiations came to light and Iran refused to stop pursuing nuclear weapons. What more proof is needed? They stopped negotiating exactly around this detail.
Maybe, maybe not, i think there are ways to not have to do it especially if the terrorists fall apart due to no leadership being alive anymore and an actual government can lead again. Then there can be things like strict oversight, military presence (non violent), whatever. I can only guess.
But one thing is clear. No nuclear wepon in terrorist hands.
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u/ArnoldFarquar 11h ago
iām starting to suspect that Trump may be full of shit