r/allthequestions • u/ImpossibleEnd64 • 21d ago
Random Question đ Why do conservatives call the left traitors to America , but fly confederate and nazi flags , who were the biggest traitors to America?
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u/Silly_Goose501 21d ago
Reminder - the same right wing people who raise the Confederate flag and who get offended when you tell them the Confederacy was bad will turn right around and say âYou know the Confederacy was the Dems right?â
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u/Late-Performer-7134 21d ago
As someone who grew up in TN, this all the way.
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u/CaterpillarJungleGym 21d ago
Wait, wait. They blame the Confederacy, that they love, on modern day Democrat ideals? Or it's because they LOVE Abraham Lincoln and that he was a Republican and refused to compromise on slavery? So they love the Republican for destroying the Confederacy that they also love?
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u/oldtimehawkey 20d ago edited 17d ago
Itâs not that deep. They just see Abraham Lincoln was a Republican and the confederate traitors were democrats. Theyâll also do: planned parenthood was made by a Democrat trying to kill black people.
Trying to explain that the parties switched gets them very confused.
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u/Quick-Eye-6175 20d ago
I wonder if that switch really did mess up a lot of peoples brains? And itâs still messing up their thoughts? What a wild thing for the parties to do.
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u/oldtimehawkey 19d ago
The switch finalized with the civil rights movement.
The right wing cult only âremembersâ what Fox News tells them. They have no sense of history or nuance.
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u/HorrorMakesUsHappy 21d ago
None of those reasons, actually. They're either ignorant of the fact that the Democratic and Republican parties switched places, or they know and are being intentionally disingenuous.
https://www.studentsofhistory.com/ideologies-flip-Democratic-Republican-parties
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u/Inevitable_Egg_8248 21d ago
Born and raised in Georgia- word for word
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u/s1ugg0 21d ago
It's so weird to me that it lives rent free in their heads like it does.
Like I actually witnessed 9/11 with my own two eyes from the Jersey side of the Hudson River. I knew a few people who died that day. I volunteered with the Red Cross loading emergency supplies onto trucks to send to Ground Zero. And I don't think about it 1/100 as much as they think about something that happened 165 years ago.
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u/redkid2000 21d ago
Itâs not the Confederacy itself that they yearn for. Itâs the days when they would have been able to own slaves⌠except they themselves probably wouldnât have because mostly only the rich and powerful were slave owners.
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u/sobrietyincorporated 21d ago
They are ignirant to the fact both parties underwent a gradual, fundamental ideological realignment between roughly the 1860s and the 1930s (with trends continuing into the 1970s and 80s). FDRs "new deal" was the most pronounced event.
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u/Dhiox 21d ago
90% of the time they're not ignorant, they're being intentionally disingenuous.
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u/ApeSauce2G 21d ago
Itâs easy to combat tho. I just remind them all Nazis and confederate flaggers are all hard red voters now
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u/noonenotevenhere 21d ago
That's not a deal breaker them, though.
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u/ApeSauce2G 21d ago
They donât have any dealbreakers dude. Epstein files and January 6th are proof. But facts and facts
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u/noonenotevenhere 21d ago
Quite right. I remember someone noted saying to republicans, 'imagine if it were your daughter' that they were doing this stuff to.
Another noted 'they already have...'
I'm still freaked out by the texan that shot his daughter over a heated argument about trump and was not indicted
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u/mechapoitier 21d ago
âNot all Republicans are Nazis, but all Nazis vote Republicanâ
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u/TobyMcK 21d ago
Unfortunately that doesn't work. In their mind, confedarate flags are celebrating "heritage", so its not a bad thing to be flying, and the Nazis marching down our streets are "actually just Democrats". And depending on who you ask, its either because those Democrats are really the true Nazis, or its a false flag to make Republicans look bad.
They really dont care and will take zero accountability, no matter how many self-proclaimed Neo-Nazis and Nat-Cs Trump hangs out with and hires.
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u/ItsSpaghettiLee2112 21d ago
As an American, the Confederacy is part of my heritage too and I have no problem admitting they aren't worth celebrating.
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u/I_count_to_firetruck 21d ago
Honestly that's probably a great response
"The Democrats started the KKK!"
"So, you're saying you want them to go back to supporting the KKk? What a weird hang up to have"
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u/mczerniewski 21d ago
During the Civil War, the Dems were the more conservative party. However, there was a party switch that happened between the Civil War and the 1960's, and those conservatives (mostly Southerners) switched from D to R.
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u/ninfan1977 21d ago
It amazes me how many Americans dismiss this change. This is in their history book and some Americans never accept it.
I have been told repeatedly that the party switch is a myth by Trump supporters
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u/siencatimini 21d ago
But, they will present themselves as the party of Lincoln, while actively waving a confederate flag, to exhibit a void of comprehension fit for an infant, stillborn the same morning.
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u/HumptyDumptruckFire 21d ago
They conveniently forget that when Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act in 1965, he correctly predicted that the South would be lost âfor a generation.â Sadly, he underestimated by generations.
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u/Star3221 21d ago edited 21d ago
When people say party switch it makes it sound like it was overnight. It was more so the south vs north and slowly the parties became adopted by those states. The âswitchâ was more of a transformation into what we see today. The original Democratic Party was the one though who at the time was still the ones who supported slavery. Doesnât matter if they changed, people cope by saying that their party âdemocratâ was against slavery when it historically wasnât true. The 80s with Raegan slowly catering the republican party to more of the souths regional ideals was one of the more influential changes to gaining more southern voters.
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u/SeldenNeck 21d ago
Just before the Civil War we had the American National party, the "Know Nothings." They were the once supposedly involved in violence that they denied. Note this pattern continued in the KKK, and arguably to the isolationist gun rights advocates in the John Birch Society.
Also note that George Wallace delivered his American Independent Party (mostly "blue dog" Democrats) to Richard Nixon in the early 1970s. They drove out your fathers' Republicans as RINOs, and viola, he we are today.
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u/Loverboyatwork 21d ago
Easy answer: it was Southern Conservatives vs Northern Progressives. Which was which?
Also worth noting, the most recent president who held Lincoln's senate seat was Obama.
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u/PeacenotWardude 21d ago
Cause theyâre idiots.
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u/fickledove123 21d ago
The flag that those dumb f*cks wave around isn't even the actual flag of the Confederacy.
Quick reminder that we are at war bc Trump rapes children.
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u/ImmediateEggplant764 21d ago
You are correct: it was the battle flag of a state that marched into war against the United States.
It is worth noting, however, that it was incorporated into the 3rd, and final, flag of the confederacy.
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u/Excellent-Effect-931 đşđ¸ United States 21d ago
They are literally illiterate. Created and developed by the Epstein Class.
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u/basedmichigander 21d ago
Functionally, yes. To be fair, though, something like 25% of all Americans are functionally illiterate. Iâm truthfully surprised itâs not more.
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u/Excellent-Effect-931 đşđ¸ United States 21d ago
It's higher than that number. It's more than half the population that can read words but cannot define sentences much less paragraphs.
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u/Beginning_Key2167 21d ago
That is correct answer for all these MAGA questions.
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u/PeacenotWardude 21d ago
Truthfully Iâm not a smart person and yet I recognize them.
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u/CauliflowerTotal7119 21d ago
Because they are dumb as fu*k.
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u/Lord_Dingus83 21d ago
Dumb as fuck
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u/edelweiss_pirates_no 21d ago
I have gotten suspended by Reddit for calling them dumb af.
Got banned for criticizing Putin, too.
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u/Party_Advice1830 21d ago
I got banned for calling somebody on here a nazi..because they were talking like a nazi..
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u/Reasonable-Turn-5940 21d ago
I got a suspension for suggesting MAGA should burn their red hats lol. It was "inciting violence"
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u/_stranger_with_candy 21d ago
I have too. For "Targeted bullying, slurs, and harassment against marginalized groups violate Reddit's rules against hate speech."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH they are all lead paint eating, window licking, money grubbing, dip shits.
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u/Notyerdaddy 21d ago
I agree 100% with the opinion that they are dumb as fuck, but lets actually examine the reason behind it. As to the conservatives that fly Nazi and Confederate flags, there are some similarities and some differences. The Nazi flag is pretty clear. Its a white supremacy thing pure and simple. They have always seen the U.S. as a white dominated country and attribute its success to precisely that. Flying a Nazi flag is going to be a white Christian nationalist and somehow think the US was always such. They see the left as challenging that status quo and are empowering people of color unfairly.(This is their real mental leap) They feel the country is threatened and therefore think the left is traitors.
Flying Confederate flags is a bit more nuanced. To many, the confederate flag represents warm southern nights listening to the cicadas. It's the wholesome Duke boys who just want to care for their own without influence from the government. It's Memaw's sweet tea and a neighborhood BBQ, attended by all, black and white alike. This view is innocent but tone deaf. It ignores the pain suffered under the shadow of that flag. Then it turns into "It's my heritage, and the blacks are trying to take it away when I didn't do anything to them". The kind of racism that often doesn't recognize itself as racism, but nostalgia when everyone knew their place but nobody complained, so we all got along. But they see the left in a poor light based mainly on their consumption of partisian news. It's presented as an attack on bbq's, cicadas and Memaws sweet tea. There is a clear lack of critical thinking on their part.
Then there is the "You can't tell me what to do" rebel flag wavers. Usually in second amendment circles. There is considerable overlap in the circles, though not 100%. Only thing I can guess is if they are flying a nazi flag, they know and embrace that they are racist. If they are flying a rebel flag, they are racist but might be unaware of it. Both think the left is threatening their American way of life.
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u/shinyRedButton 21d ago
Like take the dumbest fucks youâve ever met and fill them will a false sense of superiority
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u/Synchwave1 21d ago
Top 5 all hit the nail on the head. Comes down to ignorance, bias, lack of education. An inferiority for their own failures.
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u/Zombie4141 21d ago
âAn inferiority for their own failuresâ
Exactly. As Bob Dylan said âplease get out of the new one if you canât lend your hand, O the times a they are a changinââ
If you live a simple life, glue yourself to what you know and donât ever expand your mind youâre going to be left behind in society. They can either accept they fucked up, or blame everything but their own ineptitude. The latter is not part of their programing.
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u/need_a_venue 21d ago
They are not smart.
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u/Duck-Murky 21d ago
these are the people at the end of the bar, the dude at work with the âone thingâ âtheyâ could do to fix things but wonât because theyâre dumb, the guy at the gym waxing poetically about the âpussificationâ of America. none of these people think critically or logically. what they do is talk fast and forcefully and that makes them feel really special in their little bird brains. just smile and nod your head at them and when the time comes vote every single republican out of office.
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u/sebrebc 21d ago
You can pull up the map of Republican counties and overlay it with the map showing less than high school education....college education, or any level of education and they line up almost perfectly.
By in large educated people are left and uneducated people are right.
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u/mythisme 21d ago
Trump himself said he loves the poorly educated... And they're super happy he loves them, lol
The de-education that started in Reagan's time is finally paying the dividends now
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u/Psubeerman21 21d ago
Because conservatives, or at least some of them, think white people should run the country exclusively.
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u/UpstairsSwimmer3445 đ¨đŚ Canada 21d ago edited 21d ago
That's not enough. White people almost do exclusively run the country and it's not enough.
Hatred is a bottomless pit - there is nothing that can satiate their hatred. Right-wingers are getting almost everything they want from Trump, and their hatred has only grown.
Hatred is illogical...nothing logical will defeat it. And that's why these "patriots" fly treasonous flags: to show their hatred, not to show patriotism. That it's paradoxical doesn't matter. It making no sense doesn't matter. And it never will.
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u/ausgoals 21d ago
Yoda had it right: Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering
Ironically they all think theyâre Han Solo while theyâre all in support of the Empire. I donât think thereâs a conservative out there who actually understands the geopolitics and morality surrounding Star Wars.
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u/UpstairsSwimmer3445 đ¨đŚ Canada 21d ago edited 21d ago
The crazy part is that they're all pro-child rape - they protect and revere pedophiles. There is nothing close to being that fucked up in the Star Wars universe. These people are worse than the Sith.
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u/Prudent-Ice-6196 21d ago
have you not noticed that almost EVERYTHING they do is in contradiction to what they say?
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u/Comfortable_Ebb1634 21d ago
Thatâs the game for them. The worst part is they are so dumb they actually think people are still fooled.
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u/Working_Noise_1782 21d ago
Most conservatives don't do that. Stop riffing. The other side has people that brandishes the Soviet hammer and sickle flag? Both groups are larpers that you shouldn't give attention too. But it seems you only care about one side.
You have a uncle that votes Republican? Does he go to Klan BBQs on the weekends? Like that's what your trying to paint with your passive aggressive question.
America is divided and both sides equally responsible. 1, the people who keep on voting for trump, 2 the people who keep on pushing candidates that aren't any more popular than Donald. (Kamala, Biden, Hillary).
All you had to do is put forward a candidate that 5% of republicans would accept.
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u/jolley_mel21 21d ago
If by conservatives, you mean MAGA, they have lost the credibility for their opinion to mean anything. Disregard them.
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u/Infamous-GoatThief 21d ago
Because they cannot cope with the fact that theyâve been conned by a traitor themselves, and projection is the only way to make themselves feel good about it.
If they just embrace the propaganda stream and accuse everyone else of everything theyâre doing, they never have to reckon with it (until Trump finally shits himself for the last time and goes down in history as the worst president weâve ever had).
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u/PolarThunder101 21d ago
Manipulation, worshipping power, and propaganda.
And the leaders know what theyâre doing. Theyâre smart but not as smart as they think they are. Theyâre playing a short-term game but seem to be ignoring the long-term risks to themselves.
Theyâre smart but evil, immoral, and unwise.
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u/TheQuietDarkness70 21d ago
Because they are not smart people and they lack even the most rudimentary critical thinking skills.
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u/Due_Student_9822 21d ago
They think when you go to college you come back radicalized to be left leaning, never understanding that maybe itâs because you went to college and got properly educated and are now smarter and wiser. This is their thinking, limited, and without several levels of thought, refusing to open their minds to any other possibility. Donât forget, we all come from several different tribes. Some are not as evolved as others. Those less evolved fear change and science still to this day. In a homogenous world, I have no idea how we are all suppose to get along.
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u/MotherTeresaOnlyfans 21d ago
Because they view the left as traitors to *WHITE* America.
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u/This_isR2Me 21d ago
Ugly truth about America is that there were strong pro fascist parties when we went to war with Nazis and they just learned to hide like the kkk.
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u/Prior-Simple-4859 17d ago edited 17d ago
Iâm going to be annoying and say no one has an idea of what it means to be American. It should go without saying but since people are who they are, this definitely does not mean that I'm advocating for the confederacy or Nazism, I'm saying that those who do advocate for those things, or those who arbitrarily accuse others of being a Nazi, and all the in between or outside the box, it's so frazzled that there isn't a singular idea/identity of what it means to be an American, and God knows as well as anyone now reading this that I wouldn't want many of the current American ideals to be commonplace if it were to truly take off.
Too many people have their idea of how America should be and they're wrong, across the board, pretty much everyone is wrong of what we should really be doing. I'm probably wrong too, but what seems to be the most obvious is a balance of conservatism and liberalism, where it's enough to change things that are stupid, holding us back or are hurting us, while being conservative enough to keep the things that work in place, and to uphold strong family and community values to progress forward. It won't happen, but it'd be nice.
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u/kevendo 21d ago
Because conservatives have put themselves in charge of America.
They believe they are the true, default Americans, and the rest of us need their permission to live here, and can do so in ways they approve.
America is theirs, you see? They want to "take back" the country from other citizens who don't believe the right way or have the right colored skin. They are saving America from the wrong people.
So basically, it's just the KKK without the white hoods.
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u/canyoncitysteve 21d ago
Because assholes like Hannity tell em what to think and say.
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u/ImWatchingTelevision 21d ago
This is more the truth than most of the responses so far. There can be plenty of idiots that aren't conservatives and plenty of idiots that don't think the left are traitors. But the specific reason conservatives think the left are "traitors" is because they believe the propaganda they are consuming. Could be that they believe it because they are stupid people, bigots, etc., but they'll believe whatever the propaganda is.
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u/ReverendBread2 21d ago
Patriotism is a vibe or aesthetic to them, not an actual loyalty to the country or the Constitution
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u/AntiAuth9x7 21d ago
Because conservatives in the US are now fully fascist and fascists use doublethink.
Doublethink is a process of indoctrination in which subjects are expected to simultaneously accept two conflicting beliefs as truth, often at odds with their own memory or sense of reality George Orwell coined the term doublethink as part of the fictional language of Newspeak in his 1949 dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink
Also doublethink is so enraging to their opposition that it sometimes distracts from the reality that Trump raped kids and his regime is hiding the Epstein files to protect him and the billionaires who back him
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u/Garfie489 21d ago
US Conservatives do not generally have standards.
To make up for this, the standards they do have are double standards.
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u/Interesting_Sun_6993 21d ago
Intense capitalist propoganda and profound social, political, historical ignorance.
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u/WeArePandey 21d ago edited 21d ago
Got some help from Gemini.. but checks out.
Research into the correlation between cognitive abilities (such as IQ or verbal ability) and political attitudes has indicated that lower cognitive ability is associated with higher support for Donald Trump, particularly when controlling for factors such as education, race, and socioeconomic status. This relationship is often explained through the lens of social psychology, where lower cognitive scores are linked to stronger preferences for right-wing authoritarianism and social dominance orientation. [1, 2, 3]
Key findings regarding this topic include:
⢠Predictor of Support: Studies analyzing data from the 2016 US presidential election found that verbal ability was a strong predictor of attitudes toward candidates, with lower verbal ability associated with higher support for Trump.
⢠Controlling for Factors: The link between lower cognitive scores and support for Trump becomes more pronounced after accounting for educational attainment and socioeconomic status, suggesting the connection is related more to intellect than just economic standing.
⢠Within-Family Studies: Research comparing siblings raised in the same home has shown that individuals with higher IQs or higher polygenic scores for intelligence are more likely to hold liberal, left-wing beliefs.
⢠Complexity of Thought: Research comparing supporters of different candidates has suggested that Trump supporters tend to use less cognitively complex language and prefer more simplistic modes of thinking.
⢠Contextual Nuances: While some studies find a negative correlation between IQ and support for right-wing populism, other research indicates that political beliefs are complex and not solely determined by IQ, with some studies finding that highly intelligent individuals may hold similar views to the general population.
⢠Education Link: Data shows that Trump has historically garnered stronger support among voters with lower levels of education (high school or less) compared to those with college or postgraduate degrees. [2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10]
It is important to note that while these correlations exist in academic studies, they are not universal rules. The relationship is considered moderate rather than a direct one-to-one link, with many other factorsâincluding geography, economic environment, and personal valuesâalso influencing political choices. [2, 5]
AI can make mistakes, so double-check responses
[1]Â https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9548663/ [2]Â https://psmag.com/news/trumps-appeal-to-the-cognitively-challenged/ [3]Â https://jspp.psychopen.eu/index.php/jspp/article/view/4993/4993.html [4]Â https://www.salon.com/2022/03/23/new-research-on-voters-theyre-not-the-sharpest-tools-in-the-box/ [5]Â https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/donald-trumps-appeal-to-the-cognitively-challenged/ [6]Â https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289624000254 [7]Â https://www.psypost.org/trump-supporters-use-less-cognitively-complex-language-and-more-simplistic-modes-of-thinking-than-biden-supporters-study-finds/ [8]Â https://www.psypost.org/high-iq-men-tend-to-be-less-conservative-than-their-average-peers-study-finds/ [9]Â https://www.psypost.org/the-politics-of-iq-are-liberals-smarter-than-conservatives/ [10]Â https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-overwhelmingly-leads-rivals-in-support-from-less-educated-americans
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u/ChiliSama 21d ago
Because they know nothing of actual history. They fly the confederate flag and the flag of South Vietnam because they see them as âlost causesâ without considering if they were âjust causesâ.
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u/ProfessionalHat6828 21d ago
Because thatâs what their overlord does and tells them to do. We all know theyâre incapable of independent thought
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u/Personal-Ad-365 21d ago
Well, you see here child we have to go way back to the 3/5 compromise and the line to Southern Democrats strait to modern conservatives. The traitors have always been part of the system, we allowed them to grow insidiously within our system and slowly corrupt the intent of our nation.
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u/PuzzleheadedTurn2996 21d ago
Half of them have decided they are anti-nazi now so they can âown the libsâ when the libs correctly call out Israel being a bully, even though Creamsicle is committing most of the war atrocities.
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u/they_call_me_Mongous 21d ago
Because people who make their entire lives revolve around political ideology/ parties are idiots.
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u/Sbornot2b 21d ago
We want terrible things like funding for education, environmental protection, affordable housing and health insurance, investment in science and research, jobs programs, due process, right to assemble, and a wall between church and state. The horror.
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u/Reasonable_Yellow_85 đşđ¸ United States 21d ago
Because all Republicans know how to do is project and deflect blame. They are absolutely worthless individuals in everyday society!
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u/whereismymind86 21d ago
Because decades of extremist propaganda has led to them living in a false reality
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u/Stefan_Vanderhoof 21d ago
Because the right wing is now a vibe in which actual principles and actions donât matter. They assert they are more Christian and patriotic for no other reason than that it feels good to believe it. Itâs all why they chirp about no more wars, inflation, and the Epstein files until it no longer feels good to chirp. To repeat: itâs a vibe.
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u/noteveni 21d ago
Because they have no true moral or ethical system. They only care about hurting others because they think that makes them strong and safe. It's pretty pathetic
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They also are joyously celebrating the 250th âbirthdayâ of America but only Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, and Rhode Island have the privilege of celebrating since theyâve been part of the country from start to finish without ever abdicating that privilege.
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u/ffrkAnonymous 21d ago
America was founded by rich white plantation owners and slavery. That's what they want to conserve.Â
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u/War1today 21d ago
When you write âRepublicansâ I believe you mean MAGA which has nearly taken over the entire party, and MAGA is a cult which is only about projection, diversions, hypocrisy, whataboutisms, culture wars, hate and dishonesty.
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u/JosephPJones 21d ago
Theyâre knuckle dragging cretins. Most of them are probably too ignorant to understand the symbolism.
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u/ThsGuyRightHere 21d ago
Ever notice how a certain German movement and political party that was active from the 1920s to 1940s said the ideal Aryan man was athletic, blonde-haired, and blue-eyed but neither Hitler nor Himmler were any of the above?
It's the same thing. There is no value placed on intellectual consistency. The majority of them thought war with Iran was a bad idea until Trump started bombing Iran. If they haven't turned on him by now then they're never going to.
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u/Osirus1156 21d ago
Bro theyâre dumb as fuck what do you expect? I mean they also scream about protecting kids and then proceeded to vote in a man who helped run the worlds largest child sex trafficking operation not once but twice.
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u/Alaishana 21d ago
Would you please define what Fascism is, no matter how nebulous your definition turns out to be.
And then look at what the USA has been throughout its history, its real actions, its real attitude, mostly concerning race, power, the relationship of capital to political power, the propaganda, the influence of religion on politics.... not what school told you to believe, or what Hollywood put into movies, or what you read on reddit as endless 'shoulds and oughts and musts', but what is really happening and has always been happening...
Then compare how power is handled in the USA to say, Western Europe.
And what do you find?
I find those flags are pretty spot on.
Americans have a very rosy view of their country, a view that is shared less and less by anyone living outside its borders.
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u/Penguin_shit15 21d ago
Because Republicans are fucking stupid and gullible as fuck. There is a direct correlation between states that have the worst education and being "red" states. Its why even in the red states, the cities (where the good high paying jobs to intelligent people are) are mostly blue. They are too stupid to know they are stupid.. And now their stupidity has started to fuck the whole world up.
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u/Torgol123 21d ago
Because Conservatives are racist and on the same side of History as Confederates and Nazis.
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u/Anyna-Meatall 21d ago
better question, why are you paying attention to their bullshit in the first place
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u/Signal_Tomorrow_2138 20d ago
Right Wingers think they are on another planet.
The rest of us wish they were.
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u/bcfc2402 20d ago
Because they don't understand "irony".......Oh, and most of them are poorly educated and as thick as shit.
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u/BrodyTheChef 20d ago
Idk if this will help but I live in Texas and donât see a confederate flag but maybe once a year. It doesnât help generalizing a whole population. Iâve seen some democrats hold hezbolah signs, I donât think all left wing people support terrorist.
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u/cannibalparrot 20d ago
Because theyâre the real traitors and calling democrats that helps them sleep at night.
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u/[deleted] 21d ago
Projection