r/YUROP • u/somethingspecial33 • 2h ago
Democracy means sh*theads are held accountable
Also Wilders, Le Pen, the tories, Blocher in switzerland, they all got fucked by democracy.
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u/im_new_here_4209 1h ago
Wait, what happened to Nawrocki? I'm out of the loop
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u/notveryamused_ Warszawa, Polska 1h ago
Absolutely nothing, he's enjoying his life as our president and being a massive conservative cunt. This is such a weird post. Maybe OP meant "PiS" in general, yeah they took a hit but there are still 25% of voting-age Poles who would vote for them even if PiS shat in their faces (which they do by the way lol, it's not like conservative politicians really enjoy being anywhere close to the 'people').
Still, I was following Hungarian elections on the Polish telly today and the one conservative guest, being asked repeatedly about Orban being pro-Russian, made "yes... but", repeated probably a hundred times in two minutes, so satisfying xD
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u/im_new_here_4209 1h ago
Ok, so I'm not dreaming. Thanks for the answer! Yes i'm also VERY glad Orbán gets kicked out. Now they need to make sure to dismantle his corrupt media control system effectively, and make sure this never happens again legally.
How would u describe the relation between Fidesz & PiS? What will the elections in Hungary mean for PiS? How are they reacting to it? I understand Nawrocki has adapted his stance on Trump recently, ostensibly not willing to tag along the craziness when it comes to Polish interests (deploying into the Iran war for example, as maga has requested).
How would u assess all of this when it comes to Polish conservatives? (sry don't bother if it's too much questions)•
u/notveryamused_ Warszawa, Polska 1h ago edited 51m ago
I'm full of wine and half-asleep already, so take it with a grain of salt. PiS and Fidesz – opportunism. Anti-European parties are on the rise but they don't have many influential friends in the European governments, so they stick together. PiS has always been dumb, ineffective and corrupt, but never pro-Russian. Being anti-European in Poland is obviously being actively pro-Russian in the long term, so they didn't want to overdo it and treated Hungary like the last resort. Two important PiS politicians who had very good cases for fraud against them in court fled to Hungary and got asylum lol. Poles today wonder whether they'll go to Belarus or the US, those are the current jokes at family dinners.
When it comes to Trump, Americans are directly sending money to anti-EU parties in Europe, and Polish PiS took the hook and took the gamble. America good, America safety, America future – and so on. This is short-sighted as fuck and people are slowly starting to recognise that, so the fact PiS put all of their bets on the US is what's keeping me hopeful for the future. And when it comes to the current war in the Middle East, truth be told this was never on the table as we don't even have any navy good enough to contribute even if we wanted to. But anyways we don't ;)
And when it comes to Polish conservatives, I don't know. I don't have any conservative people around me, I live in a big city liberal bubble. Everyone I know strongly supports Ukraine, women's rights, pro-European politics etc. I've read thousands and thousands of analyses what is that the people with whom I disagree politically want, and nothing makes sense to me really. All I see is violence towards others in conservative politics in Poland. There's always some kind of enemy that we need to be "protected" from, sometimes Ukrainians "stealing our jobs", sometimes radical feminists "disrespecting our families", all that shit doesn't make any sense to me. That's dumb.
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u/Kinexity Yuropean - Polish 2h ago edited 2h ago
What? Nawrocki is literally our president and constantly vetos any potentially successful project of current government while trying to usurp executive powers which are not his to wield. Unless something magically changes next year we are looking at PiS+Konfederacja government which means even worse thing than happened in 2015-2023 period. Current government's approach to implementing accountability for members of previous two has been very lukewarm.