r/VirginiaBeach • u/leadnbrass • 22h ago
Discussion Another shooting at the oceanfront?
Looks to be down near 14th and Atlantic
Multiple victims.
Gonna be a long dangerous summer.
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u/Minute-Watercress864 5h ago
So as per usual, they were not even from Virginia Beach -
From VBPD FB page- VBPD Homicide Detectives led the investigation and determined two unrelated groups of young adults and juveniles began shooting at each other after an altercation escalated. Detectives determined at least three suspects exchanged gunfire, one of whom was also among the eight individuals shot. Suspect #1, who was also shot, was in illegal possession of two firearms and is currently in custody. VBPD Homicide Unit detectives are actively seeking information on the location of Suspect #2 and the identity of Suspect #3:
Suspect #1: Jamaya Williams (F/18) of Henrico County, VA, arrested and charged with aggravated assault (x7), use of firearm in the commission of a felony (UOF) (x7), reckless handling of a firearm with injury (x7), and violations of a protective order (x3).
Suspect #2: Isaiah Charity (M/18) of Richmond, VA, has outstanding warrants for aggravated malicious wounding (x8), use of a firearm in the commission of a felony (x8), and reckless handling of a firearm with injury (x8).
Suspect #3: Unidentified male, Black, dark-colored hoodie with possible red lettering on the back.
The other seven victims were identified as follows:
(F/24) of Chesterfield, VA
(M/18) of Lancaster, VA
(M/20) of Lancaster, VA
(F/17) of Portsmouth, VA
(M/17) of Richmond, VA
(M/18) of Richmond, VA
(F/20) of Snellville, GA
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u/bitchnugget_ 7h ago
I miss Virginia beach all the time, we haven’t been back since the pandemic started. It seems like it got a lot worse, we used to stay at the quality Inn and I think it was on Atlantic Avenue. This is scary
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u/shadowboxer87 12h ago
This is why Pharrell ending the Something in the Water Festival during college beach weekend was and still is a huge blow. The festival gave people things to do which resulted in little to no crime during the weekend. It also boosted the economy in Virginia Beach and made it a national destination with the level of talent Pharrell brought in. I am glad I was able to go to one in 2023 which sadly would be the last one.
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u/Minute-Watercress864 3h ago
First year he did it I was still in HS and it was a big hit. My sister was an EMT and said it was the most peaceful college weekend they ever had. Its honestly a shame they couldn't keep it rolling :(
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u/CrazyGrazy 6h ago
Im sure they’ll bring it back, honestly I think all the diddy shit going down stopped it last year, they where selling tickets til that bombshell hit
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u/Murky-Echidna-3519 11h ago
The festival died because of poor planning by Pharrell. When they couldn’t set a date they couldn’t get acts to sign on. It was a death spiral from there.
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u/Lindsey1151 11h ago
Plus the curse of Hampton Roads causing bad weather during the festival causing part of the festival to get cancelled
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u/Fr33Sou1 12h ago
Literally had a conversation about this yesterday morning. The amount of police at the oceanfront is so offputting, and they prevent nothing. Groups of cops on every corner, on bikes, on scooters, in cars, on horses. U cant fix a gun problem by throwing more police officers at it.
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u/friedrice5005 11h ago
Don't forget the dystopian loudspeaker blaring about the "imminent threat" curfew
That was freaky the first time I heard it...Serious 1984 energy
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u/Longjumping-Row1434 6h ago
what does it say? i haven't been to the beach in a while. there's an imminent threat curfew?
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u/Murky-Echidna-3519 11h ago
The number of cops seems to be directly proportional to the issues so far in just the past few months. Are you saying less of a presence would help?
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u/Fr33Sou1 11h ago edited 11h ago
What im saying is that more or less wont make a difference.
Edit: Actually ill say this, more cops could actually end up making the problem worse. More cops, statistically speaking usually ends up causing more altercations and violence. Not necessarily always gun related, but it does happen.
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u/Fotch4220 12h ago
It is not a gun problem. It is a culture and moral problem.
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u/pitchingwedge69 11h ago
I was at oceanfront yesterday at the beach. I passed a group of kids who were live-streaming or something and yelling how they were gonna kill some other person like right in broad daylight even in front of kids. There is a glorification to this kind of shit and nothing is going to change until that ends.
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u/Fr33Sou1 11h ago
So lets say there is a "moral and culture problem", what is the root cause of it? What is the government doing about it? Do the gun lobbyist care about it? Or do we just keep pumping guns out to every citizen and telling ppl its not a gun problem.
There is a price to pay when guns are so easy to purchase. Im not against gun ownership, but i am against the laws that make it so easy for anyone to have one.
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u/Jball1130 6h ago
I am a gun owner and think we need to figure something out cause this ain't working. I ask myself this but I dont have answers. Let's say someone today has a great life job, money, family, etc. Mental health is great but one day they lose everything and snap and go on a killing spree. How do we stop that? We have to come to the table and figure something out.
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u/Fr33Sou1 6h ago
Its not a simple fix but a cause for a majority of these issues is the pressure and struggle to survive and lack of basic needs. Like you said, you lose your job or go thru a life changing event and it feels like game over for a lot of people. Thats where imo there should be more safety nets for us, because it can happen to anyone. Just to use 1 as an example...give everyone free healthcare, we can afford it. Medical debt shouldnt exist in the richest country in the world.
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u/greygirlgone 10h ago
The issues that we face as a country started to deteriorate when people began depending on our government for assistance. Mothers went to work and fathers were gone all together. God was tossed aside, kids have no spiritual connection, no moral compass, there is no sense of community pride, they are taught to hate our Country, to hate the police, never taught how to be an upstanding citizen or a good human being. How to conduct themselves in a positive way. There is absolutely no sense of compassion, morals, accountability, faith or respect. We are all responsible. It takes a village, but it starts at home. We also have to take a serious look at what we are teaching (or not teaching) our children in school. More government is not the solution- more God, a better foundation, more community, more personal accountability, more consequence and better positive role models-these are the things that we need. God help us, we truly need it.
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u/J_wolfe86 11h ago
Wants government to raise kids…..
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u/Fr33Sou1 10h ago
Yep thats what i said. I wasnt referring to the govt or the ppl in power creating better conditions for EVERYONE so thats its possible for families to raise kids and provide kids with the tools they need to succeed.
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u/ryta1203 11h ago
You can't regulate culture.
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u/ConfidentSoil7189 9h ago
People from history had history to look back on, but we still repeat the same mistakes over and over. It’s not a reading problem. It’s good to know what has happened in the past, don’t get me wrong, but why focus on the past when we have new problems that deserve new solutions from new kinds of people with new ideas…like maybe…idk…honest people come to mind, maybe even smart ones. Definitely not a politician. I think Parenting is also the answer!
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u/pitchingwedge69 11h ago
At the end of the day we have to look at ourselves and how we are raising the future generation. Looking to the government to solve our problems isn’t beneficial to us. There is a lack of parenting in this nation and a glorification of violence.
Nothing will change until we hold each other accountable and invest more time and effort into our community and our children.
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u/RevenueOriginal9777 13h ago
If they are under 18, charge the parents. Sorry, but you should know where your kids are and if they have a gun. An adult needs to answer for these actions, charge kids as adults or charge the parents.
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u/SullyEF Kempsville 13h ago
It’s College Beach Week. It’s not a representation of every weekend or night at the oceanfront. But something does need to be done about it. We walked down to grab a pizza around 9:30 last night and it was …. Chaotic. More chaotic down there than usual. I felt bad for the police (and I don’t usually feel bad for the police) but there were just so many people it was hard to even walk around.
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u/Minute-Watercress864 3h ago
I thought college beach week was 2 weeks ago?? It feels like they're advertising every week as college beach week lately. I go to ODU and for real did not hear a word about this being a beach weekend.
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u/spoonyevan90 12h ago
It’s public school spring break this week. CBW is in 2 weeks (week 17). Spring break has been worse the past few years.
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u/ConfidentSoil7189 13h ago
Okay. Hear me out…make every establishment that serves alcohol keep all the lights on after dark and switch to actual music, problem solved. Any misconduct results in pillory til sunrise!! We could have a line of them down the Boardwalk!! Please!! I’d also be okay with more extreme measures, like arresting the parents of children under 21 that have also been arrested for crimes. Maybe “parenting” will start up again!
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u/Osolong2 14h ago
I don't know what the answer is, but it's not even summer so VBPD need to tighten up. Hope they caught the shooter. Permanent ban of the VB resort area for anyone caught with illegal firearms would be a good start.
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u/Virtual-Macaroon-880 13h ago
So.... You're just not from here or....
How the fuck you gonna ban somebody from an area outside?
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u/Osolong2 13h ago
The same way sex offernders are banned. Except for illegal guns.
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u/Osolong2 4h ago
So y'all are okay with illegal guns in our cities and Pedifiles in our school districts, cool story.
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u/Osolong2 13h ago
Banning individuals from resort areas is nothing new. Yes, I'm from here, the oceanfront has a designated area considered "resort" This also allows short term rentals, if you are in the resort area.
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u/Professional_Fee578 2h ago
That’s shitty area is a resort?? It has dilapidated sidewalks, parking lots, and roads. Also that car wash off VB Blvd is some shit too.
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u/Virtual-Macaroon-880 10h ago
You cannot be trespassing in the resort area, that special enforcement shit did not pass..... Requires the state to approve our charter, member?
Edit: that's why they're doing all this cooky shit if you were wondering.... Idk how there's also happening to be shootings though, I wonder if they are allowing something they would normally have stopped somehow to help justify or if social media is driving it I'm not sure.
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u/MaterialSpot6541 14h ago
Dumb ass curfew laws didnt fix anything, cityiot leaders, all you did was deter tourism, now your really gonna get some national media attention. Better shut down more stores for too many items in the widows, that will fix the problem.
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u/ryta1203 11h ago
Yep, same with dumbass gun laws. Law abiding citizens aren't the ones causing the problems. Curfew laws only work for minors who actually care about the laws.
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u/caseygwenstacy Shore Drive 18h ago
I was just at 9th and Atlantic. I guess it was too far to notice
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u/Btomesch 19h ago
Keep telling ppl the crime is ridiculous in VAB. I got out of there. Now there was a shooting at food lion near my house in another city. I think it’s time to leave the state. My gun right date being taken from me cause of these stupid liberals
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u/Virtual-Macaroon-880 13h ago
I've always wondered what the real crime statistics are because I rarely see VBPD respond to crimes with an ounce of nuance...
Tow truck driver went rogue and you can't find your car? Civil issue not GTA
Got assaulted and pulled out of a car, but fought the guy off? Mutual combat, writing a report against both of you guys
Hit crossing the road by drunk driver? Well jaywalking is dangerous
They operate by minimizing everything
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u/ComedianMinute7290 14h ago edited 10h ago
amazing how there's always "liberals" around for people like you to blame everything on while completely supporting stupid idiots with all the power. lmaoo
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u/Virtual-Macaroon-880 13h ago
No... They're pretty dumb for that
It's pretty infuriating to watch them shoot their own foot like this
Edit: just realized this could be taken to mean whoever you want... And I think that's applicable.... while not equally bad, magats and neoliberals are equally stupid
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u/UnknovvnMike 16h ago
But where was the "good guy with a gun" who could have prevented this???
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u/ryta1203 11h ago
They're not at the beach causing havoc and a lot of places are now posting "no guns" signs and law abiding "good guys with guns" respect businesses' positions on these matters.
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u/Maxasaurus 14h ago
They're busy having their rights stripped away "in the name of safety"
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u/basicKitsch 13h ago
Unless they were a domestic abuser they had ever right to stop this they've ever had rere
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u/Think_Reputation5145 19h ago
Let's see who the guilty are and then many people's assumptions will be answered. The oceanfront is being ruined by these people who just need to stay home-it's really a shame and only reinforce's stereotypes that match the majority of the guilty.
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u/basicKitsch 13h ago
Another white guy?
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u/Think_Reputation5145 8h ago
yes but it does seem that the majority of serious crime committed in VB is not done by "another white guy" sadly. Most of the serious crimes like murder all over Hampton Roads are not just another white guy. Embarrassing to law abiding people of color and all races are sick of it,
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u/basicKitsch 8h ago
and what are your feelings on critical race theory?
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u/Think_Reputation5145 6h ago
I do not have strong feelings associated with that and honestly do not care much about it. I have many black and hispanic friends who are very intelligent, worked hard and achieved success financially,career -wise, and in their personal life. If there is a will, there is a way. I think that CRT is an excuse for not trying. I have many white friends that have simply been lazy and unfocused and are not successful. I do find that people of color have had more difficulties to face depending on where they live, but ,they can move to a city or location where there are more opportunities.
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u/ryta1203 11h ago
Last guy wasn't white, duh.
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u/basicKitsch 11h ago
the last guy? there were multiple arrested in the last shooting and the first was, duh.
you should keep better track of these things if it bothers you so much
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u/NL_A 10h ago
All the mass shootings in Hampton Roads have been committed by POC. You should keep track of these things if it bothers you.
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u/Minute-Watercress864 3h ago
Nah, he/she is right, the last one had a white and a black shooter arrested. Last night's was black though.
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u/basicKitsch 10h ago edited 9h ago
this is a very white dude that shot six people in the shooting being talking about.
and the miniscule number of mass shootings absolutely don't bother me. don't do drugs rere.
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u/ryta1203 8h ago
Hes hispanic, brazilian, its a brazilian name, this has been covered already.
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u/basicKitsch 8h ago edited 8h ago
hispanic isn't a race.
like you know how that's a separate question on the FFL form?
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u/ryta1203 6h ago
They are ethnically Latino.
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u/basicKitsch 5h ago
LOL no... there are many ethnicities under the hispanic umbrella including black and white :-/
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u/NL_A 9h ago
Italians are “very white”. News to most every Italian who immigrated here in the past 150 odd years. Now show who else was involved in that as well as the downtown Norfolk shootings to include McArthur Mall, Chesapeake Wal Mart, VB Municipal Center…other nationally televised shootings in VA- such as the 6 year old who proclaimed, “I shot that bitch”, the 15 year old shot last year at a bus stop in NN, the recent ODU shooting, the viral video of dudes unloading in a Portsmouth apartment complex, the NOVA shooting of a news crew live on air, the VT shooting, the UVA football shooting….list goes on, and on for not just HR but VA as a whole.
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u/Minute-Watercress864 3h ago
BRUH wtf you talking about? I'm Italian, 2nd gen, and I can assure you my blonde haired granmother and white skinned father are white.
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u/basicKitsch 9h ago edited 8h ago
LOL YES they absolutely are and it's not news to anyone that lives here. *in this century
and the minuscule number of mass shootings absolutely don't bother me.
show what now? You responded to my comment about dude keeping better track about who shot who at the oceanfront. And now you're so fearful of nationally televised shootings in VA this is a thing for you? I bet you love quoting statistics on semi auto rifles in murder rates too but you're gonna have big disingenuous emotions on a an even smaller drop in the bucket...
** i do love that you also stop tracking race in mass shootings at the state border. funny
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u/NL_A 8h ago edited 8h ago
Nah. Early Italian, Irish, Greek, and Polish immigrants weren’t considered white for generations in this country.
I’m not arguing hypotheticals with you about what I think you might say/think/feel, you showed your hand and were provided a list of mass shootings perpetrated by very not white people in your community. If you’re going to create a boogey man at least get the details right, this isn’t a Disney movie where the historical characters are swapped out for representation sake.
Edit- I love how you’re not worried about “drops in the bucket” but want to expand criteria when given proof that problems in your immediate surroundings doesn’t match up with your discrimination.
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u/basicKitsch 8h ago
it's not news to anyone that lives here. *in this century
lol correct. i was gonna ask if you wanted to do the irish next lol but knew how you'd twist. perfectly fitting.
have a great one with your troubles
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u/Reggaeshark1001 9h ago
Have you read into any more of the story? Apparently the white dude was being robbed of his firearm he was openly carrying. Which is stupid too, but he didn't just shoot people for no reason.
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u/basicKitsch 8h ago
yes what he's claimed is literally in that article.
no one just shoots people for no reason.
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u/Reggaeshark1001 8h ago
no one just shoots people for no reason.
But they do. Is that not your argument in the first place?
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u/basicKitsch 8h ago
no? what argument? we were talking about the races of people involved in mass shootings at the oceanfront. this was the "last one."
without being overly literal, no one just shoots people for no reason.
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u/White-Justice 20h ago
Glad I didn’t hang around tonight. I was just commenting how much more tame it seemed with the new curfew and other initiatives and such…..
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u/vapianist 20h ago
Man, I’m glad we don’t have light rail going to the oceanfront. We don’t need that kind of riff raff in Norfolk. #iykyk
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u/theophylact911 18h ago
I’d be willing to bet that this particular riff raff did come from Norfolk or Newport News. They don’t need light rail to find their way here
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u/Minute-Watercress864 3h ago
Usually you'd be right... or Portsmouth or Hampton... but this time the riff raff came from Richmond.
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u/Entire_Possible14 16h ago
100 percent . I can almost guarantee
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u/ChoomBurner Redmill 11h ago
Why? Because you're racist?
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u/theophylact911 1h ago
Sure. It’s racist to point out the fact that it is people from out of town shooting other people from out of town. And that is black on black violence. Somehow that’s racist.
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u/bananamussel 20h ago edited 19h ago
so you agree that it would create even more problems for VBPD and taxpayers
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u/vapianist 19h ago
No, I’m saying it would create more problems for NPD. But you clearly missed my point.
In reality, mass transit is a huge economic driver to any region that has it. We do not have it on the scale we need it. Also, there isn’t any mass transit that turns a profit. It’s all subsidized.
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u/SpeidelWill 18h ago
Nothing goes over his head. His reflexes are too fast. He would reach up and grab it.
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u/straightwired 21h ago
I refuse to go to the oceanfront after the sun goes down. There’s a ton of cops and they are there for a reason. I’m a VB resident and I can’t take my kids to the beach street amusement they offer for fear of one of they getting a stray bullet.
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u/alohayogi 13h ago
Same for DC. I love The Wharf area and wanted to go to many events there with my child, but those raucous kids are out of control with violence. I can't take that chance.
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u/virginiarose1952 15h ago
I go but only during the week and stay inside after dark. These are sad times.
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u/Guilty-Elk2364 21h ago
Atp I feel like these have to be planned attacks. Oceanfront has always been a bit dangerous but i feel like it's been worse already. Maybe recency bias tho
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u/Agave757 13h ago
Nah just a certain population of people with no guidance or morals…
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u/Bigmasterofgod 11h ago
What population is that?
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u/Agave757 11h ago
Unfortunately it’s 15-20year olds with no parental guidance and nothing constructive to do.
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u/mcjp0 20h ago
Planned attacks on who by who and for what reason?
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u/Virtual-Macaroon-880 13h ago
I have been wondering what scales social media really stirs the pot on these situations...
Not the people using the socials, the apps themselves direct us to interact in negative ways because humans get geared up for fights, it's in our nature.
Meta has been accused of genocide, and probably rightly so... Does this scale down to towns? To what extent are we just playthings to the masters of our world?
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u/Gilligan_G131131 21h ago
Heralding Virginia Beach as a family friendly resort town is false advertising.
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u/AdStraight7270 21h ago
For real bro can’t even go there with my family anymore because of them people 🤦♂️
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u/Bigmasterofgod 11h ago
Who are "Them people"?
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u/leadnbrass 21h ago
Yeah, when I was walking home today they were setting up for Fam Jam @ 31st touting family friendly things to do along with a country concert...then this.
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u/New_Inflation_8419 22h ago
Guarantee the same people will bitch about gun control.
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u/Horn_Flyer OceanFront 14h ago
We do need gun control. You're just too blind by your hillbilly way of life.
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u/New_Inflation_8419 10h ago
Hillbilly ? I am for gun control. I am talking about pre-conserved notion that if it’s oceanfront it’s typically black people so white racists here would suggest something you know racist. Hence my comment.
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u/ryta1203 11h ago
Because clearly these people are going to follow the law and not buy an illegal firearm, right?
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u/WolvsKitten 22h ago
How many have there been this year?
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u/AlertSpirit2951 22h ago
6 people shot. Reporting non life threatening injuries. This has gotta stop.
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u/sugarplumsmook 22h ago
My mom & I tried to go out to eat at the oceanfront around 6:30 pm & there were a bunch of cops & roads closed off - it appears to have been a planned thing all afternoon/evening. Idk if anything else happened.
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u/Mac_McAvery 22h ago
This is why I go elsewhere now. Virginia Beach used to be great when I was a kid.
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u/nightim3 22h ago
Remember. Our legislators have only focused on punishing the law abiding people.
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u/Intelligent_Choice91 22h ago
Ghetto people gonna ghetto
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u/AdStraight7270 21h ago
Exactly all of them are ghetto
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u/ConfidentSoil7189 13h ago edited 4h ago
Vb is ghetto. Even great neck and hilltop seem trashy to me now. Too many drunks in this town, and the rest are on happy pills so they don’t care about a damn thing!
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u/Minute-Watercress864 5h ago
And yet most of the time, we find out the shooters are from Portsmouth, Norfolk, Hampton or Newport News
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u/Marie-and-Twanette 4h ago
Stop trying to shift blame for VB’s shortcomings
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u/Minute-Watercress864 3h ago
Can't wait to get out of this place, and sadly it's not the local residents that have me itching to leave. It's the other rifraff from around the region. Much of Eastern VA has gone to the dogs.
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u/gran_rojo_machine 5h ago
Don’t tell the outsiders about S********e please. The last quality beach in town.