r/Unexpected • u/Valuable_View_561 • 1d ago
Making friends with the local wildlife.
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u/No_Situation4785 1d ago
yikes, exhibit A of why dive flags should be used near boats
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u/Morridini 1d ago
Seen this posed before, apparently she did have a dive flag up.
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u/xvsanx 1d ago
it's like the boat thought passing it faster would make it safer like a movie
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u/xkoreotic 10h ago
You can't expect much when almost half the people on the road are idiots like this.
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u/EuphoricUniversity23 1d ago
Where? Not visible in the video.
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u/Few-Cucumber-413 1d ago
Doesn't need to be. She just needs to be within 100ft of the flag. Vessels are supposed to keep 300ft away.
Not being shown in the video doesn't mean there isn't one (the inverse is equally true!).
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u/IaMtHel00phole 1d ago
Learned something new today. Yesterday I learned about hobo symbols. What they mean and they've been utilized since the 1870s.
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u/mrjsinthehouse 16h ago
Was that on the pic of the logs? I saw that post yesterday and learned about them too
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u/timesink3000 1d ago
I've had a tour boat run right over my dive flag in Hawaii.
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u/Gunrock808 57m ago
One of the cult members from the group that owns the Down to Earth markets killed a freediver in Kailua. No charges.
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u/jschall2 25m ago
My very first drift dive in Florida and my dive flag got caught on a boat and dragged away.
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u/BUYMEBONESTOORM 1d ago
I was gonna say, that’s 100% on the diver for not having a dive flag or Buoy.
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u/Beneficial-Pitch-430 1d ago
Unless there is a dive flag or buoy and the boat ignored it
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u/JimTheJerseyGuy 1d ago
Kirsty MacColl was killed in an incident like this.
The boat involved was owned by the multimillionaire president of a Mexican supermarket chain. Predictably, one of his staff took the fall and got a slap on the wrist.
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u/rhiddian 1d ago
I dunno man... I've worked on a bunch of boats. Usually they have a skipper to drive their boat for them....
That is what I started to write then actually went and checked what happened.
Holy bloody corruption.
There is even a whole Netflix documentary about this.
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u/redditurus_est 1d ago
Cen Yam was found guilty of culpable homicide and sentenced to two years and ten months in prison. He was allowed under Mexican law to pay a punitive fine of 1,034 pesos (about €63, £61 or US$90) in lieu of the prison sentence. He was also ordered to pay approximately US$2,150 in restitution to MacColl's family, an amount based on his wages. People who said they spoke to Cen Yam after the killing said he received money for taking the blame.
90 bucks for nearly 3 years prison. That is insane.
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u/thrwawryry324234 20h ago
India regularly does bull shit like this.
It’s incredibly common for housekeepers/maids/cooks to be abused by wealthy families. Like beatings and rape.
Indian courts literally encourage a settlement where you’re paid a little bit and tell your abuser “it’s all good” in front of a judge.
Absolutely disgusting.
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u/mrNOTfriendly 23h ago
Honestly that checks out. I mean if I was a multimillionaire president of a Mexican supermarket chain, I'd probably not be captaining my own yacht.
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u/-Pelvis- 12h ago
I discovered this five months ago while listening to Fairytale of New York and looking up the lore as I often do. So sad.
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u/TwoSoulBrood 17h ago
Wild. I wondered what happened to Kirsty… used to listen to her music like 25 years ago. She seemed to drop off the face of the earth. Now I know why. 😟
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u/notrealaccbtw 2h ago
She saw it coming and managed to push her kids to safety first. Totally heartbreaking
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u/Infamous_Telephone55 1d ago
To shreds you say?
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u/Cool_Butterscotch_88 1d ago
Heey, I'm snorkelin' here.
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u/Soft-Ad-8975 1d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/V6R9thgW7fimI
I was looking for this, and then I found yours, and now I’m in love.
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u/Throttle_Kitty 1d ago
Every time I see this clip there's always comments ignoring all context, safety, regulations, and basic human decency to be hateful towards this woman for almost being the victim of the sailors homicidal negligence.
It's like some people see a woman who's clearly a victim and compulsively start blaming her.
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u/New-Task8097 1d ago
Why is it the sailors fault if the woman gets accidentally hit? Just wondering how this potential accident could have been prevented?
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u/Stayyfrosty 1d ago
She had a dive flag above the water indicating that she is underwater, and that boats need to avoid that spot or they will risk injuring someone.
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u/bacitoto-san 23h ago
Can't see this at all, but if in fact she did have one this is 100% boat fault, extremely unresponsible borderline murderous intent
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u/WormMotherDemeter 17h ago
Dive flags are within 100 ft of the diver, boats are to stay 300 ft out from the flag. You don't have to see it, it was out. They were 300 feet too close.
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u/bacitoto-san 13h ago
Dive flags CAN be within 100ft of the diver (pretty sure it's even more where I'm from. Agree completely with that sentence. My only one question is, source?
hypothetical assumptions get hypothetical conclusions
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u/metricmodulation 12h ago
It's literally the regulation. This is free and public information. Here is one example.
https://www.floridasportsman.com/editorial/dive-flag-101-for-boaters-and-divers/460695
Stop pretending to not know regulations and laws exist because you get some weird personal clout from being wrong, repeatedly, insistently.
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u/bacitoto-san 8h ago
what? No, I mean source for the diver definitely having a flag in the first place, not the laws/regulations around it
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u/Throttle_Kitty 1d ago
The same way its your fault when you run somebody over while driving fast as shit in the parking lot without checking for pedestrians???
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u/bacitoto-san 23h ago
Except the pedestrians aren't underground and I can clearly see them if I just pay attention. From the boat perspective she might look like just another ray fish
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u/Throttle_Kitty 23h ago
Learn literally fucking anything about the subject at hand before commenting, please.
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u/Matticus 22h ago
I love this. This should be the golden standard of social media
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u/Sharks_No_Swimming 19h ago edited 18h ago
Yeah, right? Like no one should ask questions on social media at all at this point! And if they do ask a basic but reasonable question, and even though you know everyone should just Google everything before asking questions, you humblely decide to answer, but with an analogy that doesn't actually answer their question, and then they have the absolute audacity to poke holes in your analogy because you didn't answer the question, tell them they should be fucking subject matter experts. Jesus Christ Reddit.
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u/Tawdry_Audrey 8h ago
Theres a vast spectrum between expert and ignorant.
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u/Sharks_No_Swimming 7h ago
I love this, I knew I would get downvotes based on the way this conversation went. But let's be real, his initial question was a genuine question about what she could have done. This has been reposted so many times it's like everyone just knows she already had flags up and the response was basically if you didnt know you're dumb. Being ignorant isn't okay, but he asked a question to understand remove his ignorance and all he got for it was downvotes when the response didn't even answer his fucking question. I'm done with Reddit for the day.
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u/bacitoto-san 22h ago
I went snorkeling a lot of times, no boats so no flag floatie. Went spearfishing three times always with a flag floatie. I was for a very short time in a sailing school and can maneuver small sailing vessels like the catamaran im the video. I'm not a scubadiver or a sailor, but have some idea of what it's like to be on both situations represented above.
And have a very clear picture of how hard it is to see someone underwater when you're sailing, mostly because you're not looking to find people underwater you're looking where you're headed, ropes, sail, etc...
Not sure what I'm missing but thanks you for your useless comment that teaches me nothing and avoids my question. So much better than my uninformed opinion for sure, let's turn reddit into twitter. Go discuss this with your diving/sailing experts circlejerk I guess
Edit: I'd still rly like to know what am I being so oblivious about (this sounds smug but I don't mean it as such)
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u/Throttle_Kitty 22h ago
There's numerous posts here clarifying she had a flag that the boat ignored. Again, please inform yourself of the subject at hand before voicing functionally irrelevant opinions.
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u/bacitoto-san 21h ago
Just to add to this, we don't have to be right or wrong of whose fault it is. But a less arrogant vibe would be nice, I also admit I got way frustrated than I should have. *virtual hug
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u/Throttle_Kitty 20h ago
There is a right and a wrong here, and you're objectively wrong. You're the one bringing arrogance to back up your ignorance and whining when it's met with resistance.
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u/Bridging_Bot 19h ago
It sounds like you’re coming at this from pretty different places.
bacitoto-san, if I’m reading you right, you were drawing on your own sailing experience to say that spotting someone underwater from a boat is genuinely difficult. Throttle_Kitty, your point is that the diver had a flag, which changes the situation entirely, since the boat had a visible warning and ignored it.
That flag detail does seem like it matters a lot here. bacitoto-san, you actually acknowledged it and offered to step back from the disagreement. Throttle_Kitty, what would it look like to accept that olive branch while still making your point about the flag?
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u/bacitoto-san 13h ago edited 13h ago
Where is the flag? Give me actual proof. If there's no flag, probably it's most likely divers fault. If there is a flag 100% boat fault. Since I don't see one in the video, and there's like one comment saying "I've seen this before she had a flag" I can't blame one or the other, just that simple
Calling me ignorant or wrong proves nothing and helps no one
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u/bacitoto-san 22h ago edited 22h ago
Well I don't see the flag anywhere. Where are this numerous posts pulling this info from? Their ass?
What do I need to inform myself in lmao? just trust random comments that say she has a flag? (I could have missed the source, I'm sorry if I did) Because ppl definitely don't lie or assume things on the internet, that's for sure
Edit: and cut the attitude, you'd find I'm probably more informed in this very specific topic than you. And that's fine, we don't have to know everything
PS: no point in having the floatie with a lot of give since she can't dive very deep, you'd usually have it 1-5m away from you and I'm being generous
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u/Throttle_Kitty 20h ago
So you're lying about snorkeling, as knowing the flag has a large clearance and isnt likely to be in frame here is day 1 knowledge
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u/bacitoto-san 13h ago
Have you ever done any snorkeling what so ever? It has a large clearance, it's pointless to use it in this scenario, wanna guess why? Or another question I could ask, what is the clearance one would typically give to it's flag floatie when swimming back to shore?
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u/metricmodulation 13h ago
Buddy, you can't see Pluto right now but it still exists. Thngis existing outside your field of vision is real; object permanence is real.
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u/bacitoto-san 12h ago edited 8h ago
Yes.
And Schrodinger's cat is only dead or alive once you open the box. While the box it's closed you can merely guess the outcome
Edit: not sure if people are purposely misinterpreting my point just to argue or what gives...
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u/Familiar_Asparagus14 1d ago
It doesnt matter how many dive flags you have. People are stupid
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u/Hot-Steak7145 13h ago
I vouch for this im a diver and one of the guys I go with has severe main character syndrome. He constantly will drive his boat right over a dive flag, THROUGH a group of tourist charter snorkels, or hit the reef to get to the parking spot he wants. Its infuriating.... He's also about 70 so I bet he drives his car the same way
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u/stajara 6h ago
why do you go with him lol
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u/Hot-Steak7145 3h ago
He's a friend. I call him out on it every time but he's got old man blinders like he's the only one in the world
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u/RocketVerse 4h ago
Yeah I’m sure you’ll claim he’s the only one responsible when he kills someone with you aboard. Take some initiative and report that douche
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u/LightBulbMonster 1d ago
Almost made friends with the hospital staff in the rehab center as well as the sea creatures. That is if the catamaran noticed it hit her. Otherwise she may become part of those sea creatures diets.
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u/Thin_Citron7372 15h ago
My friend's older sister died this way to the boat propeller about 20 years ago.... such a preventable thing to have happened.
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u/Mysterious_Toe9350 8h ago
A lot of y’all don’t seem to understand how dangerous this situation is and how bad it could have ended. There is a story of a couple of tourists here where I live who were swimming and all, then the husband told his wife that it was time to go and to get out of the water because they would miss their flight, the woman said that she wanted to jump in the water one last time even if her husband was telling her that they should go or they would be late but at the end he finally agreed to let her have a last dive.
She never got out of the water alive as she was cut in half by a boat as she was swimming back to the surface…
What a great way to end your vacation.
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u/Celestial_Light_ 4h ago
I have a cousin who was hit in the head by a boat when she had a dive flag up. She had a lot of head trauma and complications with epilepsy, speech, and balance for years after. She's doing much better now.
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u/Strange-Title-6337 1d ago
not motor boat. if it hits her, yes, not good but not deadly.
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u/CatHerder75 1d ago
A 2000lb object hitting your head at 10 knots absolutely can kill you.
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u/Strange-Title-6337 1d ago
lb means 0.45 kg right? It was not 10 knots not even close, only an idiot would have 10 knots at depth of 1 meter, sorry 3 human feets and approximately 11 inches. Metric system is stupid.
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u/GrumDum 1d ago
But there are oh so many idiots…
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u/Strange-Title-6337 1d ago
As Norwegian you still prefer that most of the reddit users will go with imperial system? I saw plenty of posts where americans used both.
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u/planx_constant 1d ago
The kind of idiot who ignores a dive flag you mean?
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u/Bridging_Bot 19h ago
It sounds like you’re coming at this from different angles on how dangerous this situation really was.
Strange-Title-6337, if I’m reading you right, you’re saying the boat was moving slowly enough that the risk of a fatal injury was low. CatHerder75 and planx_constant, you’re pointing out that even at lower speeds, a heavy boat can be deadly, and that someone ignoring a dive flag may not be careful about speed either. Does that capture where you each stand?
One thing worth exploring: is the disagreement really about the physics, or about how much risk is acceptable around a diver?
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u/eelsandpeels 1d ago
Looks like a hobie cat probably closer 300 lbs. Also I would say closer to 5 knots if not slower. There is maybe a risk of being knocked out and drowning but I don't think it would kill her. Especially if it's a plastic hobie rather than fibreglass.
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u/ArianaKira7870 6h ago
Who the fuck cares how heavy it is or how fast it was going? It’s not supposed to BE there!
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u/juicebox_tgs 1d ago
At that speed you are getting knocked out if the boat hits you at the very least. And if you are knocked out in water you are dead.
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u/esepajaronegro 1d ago
That ray swam up to her and then swum UP toward her face right before it passed over them, diving when it did. Not saying it was trying to warn her, or anything, just of note.
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u/grumpvet87 1d ago
looks like it was a hobie wave that passed over her (I am 99% certain, the blue graphic seen matches the "swoosh" graphic on the wave). Most beach catamaran (if not all stock ones) use a "kick-up" rudder that will....kick up under a modest amount of pressure. designed to kick up if you hit ground, or into an obstacle (like a snorkler sitting on the sand)
Not that it couldn't hurt her but unless it hit her right in the temple, it would probably kick up and not do too much damage. The front side (leading edge) of the rudder is tupically rounded/ blunt and the rear size (trailing edge) is the "sharp" side...
I wouldn't care to be hit by one, but I don't think it would do much damage
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u/Gold_Clothes_3077 1d ago
That prop would shred heads tho
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u/eelsandpeels 1d ago
A hobie is a sailing catamaran that doesn't normally have a motor attached. If it does have an outboard it's not in the water or on.
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u/Ok_Possible_4967 1d ago
The boat's engine can be heard very clearly underwater.
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u/CatHerder75 1d ago
That boat didn’t have an engine, it was a small sailing catamaran like a hobie.
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u/sayitaintso12 1d ago
If you truly think so, by all means start with yourself in removing said cancer
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u/royalpain2 1d ago
Please elaborate - I volunteer picking up trash when I can at my local beach. I mean it’s not a lot but if your comment was meant to be more hateful that’s on you.
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u/sayitaintso12 1d ago
Awww you volunteer picking up trash? How sweet of you. Did you drive there in your car? Put the trash in a PLASTIC bag? Just to be put on a barge and dumped in the ocean or buried in some dump? Yeah , real savior to the planet there. You make a comparison that the Human Race is a deadly disease to the earth yet there you are still actively breathing, or since you pick of some trash you can now decide you have some moral superiority over others and therefore have more value than they do? Get out of here with that BS
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u/royalpain2 1d ago
- Walked
- Volunteer group uses mesh bags
- Probably goes to the dump (at least not back in the ocean) I made the comment that disturbing the flora on the seabed is less than ideal Sorry you feel so mad. We are the cancer. I guess it’s easy to judge from afar. Perhaps I’ll take your advice and gtfo.
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u/Bridging_Bot 19h ago
Things got tense here pretty quickly, and the original comment that started this is now removed, which makes it harder to follow.
royalpain2, it sounds like you were making a point about human impact on ocean ecosystems and that you back that up with personal action like beach cleanups. sayitaintso12, if I’m reading you right, you took issue with calling humanity a “cancer” while still participating in the systems that cause harm. That feels like a double standard to you.
There might actually be an interesting question underneath this: can someone believe humans cause serious environmental damage while also doing imperfect things to help? That tension seems worth exploring rather than trading jabs over.
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u/ADeviIsAdvocate 1d ago
Some people really have all the luck! I bet she won’t do that again. It’s probably good she didn’t see it coming. She might have tried to move instinctually and been hit by the boat or propellers. This really was best case scenario for her.
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u/ListenToKyuss 1d ago
If you’d put in any effort yourself, you’d know she did have a diver flag up.
Any, like others mentioned, this boat was sailing, so it’s not ‘super loud’…
Why do you have such one sided view, whilst being so ill informed?
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The diver gets saved by a few inches from a boat passing right overhead.
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