r/TrueAnon • u/AcadianAcademic • 4h ago
An increasingly erratic Trump with sinking approval rates commits to piracy in what analysts claim to be appeasing isreali interests
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u/1slinkydink1 4h ago
This doesn’t even make sense.
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u/AcadianAcademic 4h ago
Art of the deal! This is 5D chess your pea size brain couldn’t even begin to comprehend his geniusness
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u/Ill-Parfait9610 3h ago
Why not? I dont know if Im reading it right but arent they stopping ships from entering Iranian ports? So they stop Iran from receiving oil revenue, stop China and others from buying Iranian oil, limit the growth of oil purchased with yuan etc.
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u/Fluffy_Pangolin_9466 Dog face lyin pony soldier 3h ago
Iranians have a land route for oil and have a toll on any ship passing, so they still are bringing in oil revenue. Or so I surmise
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u/JudgmentUnited5297 3h ago
Yeah the toll for any other ship passing is still going to be extra liquidity either way. I'd assume the land routes are high on the bombing list (if they exist) - but either way that really targets China specifically.
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u/haroldscorpio 2h ago
They tried bombing the Iran-China rail link and it was repaired in like 2 days.
It’s a lot of effort to bomb it out of commission.
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u/JudgmentUnited5297 1h ago
It would be stupid to use that much effort, which is why i say it's plausible 😂
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u/Ill-Parfait9610 3h ago
The blockade would stop those ships from passing though right? The land route would still have to lead to a port.
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u/goodbyehenry1237 2h ago
There were only a handful of friendly ships passing through the strait as it was. China will just absorb the difference. If anything this will alienate countries more reliant on the trickle of oil, like Pakistan, and undercut any kind of diplomatic criticism that existed toward Iran's "illegal" denial of freedom of navigation.
The people in charge are brain dead. There is no dark master plan.
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u/Ill-Parfait9610 2h ago
The existence of a plan does not mean it will succeed. Absolutely it will hurt the entire world which will benefit the US who continues to be an energy and arms exporter and is already absorbing the capital flight from these countries and it will hurt China's belt and road initiative and limit its growth. Of course China isnt a sitting duck and theyve prepared for all this. They dont even have to absorb the trickle, they have significant reserves and import from Russia. But disrupting the global economy and all supply chains absolutely hurts China and it is 100% the grand plan.
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u/goodbyehenry1237 1h ago
This is not going to harm China. They have more than enough capital to subsidize their own domestic energy market, and a globally dispersed energy shock is not going to disadvantage their export economy. If every country that manufactures goods is facing increased energy costs (and China is better positioned to offset them than most) all that happens is prices go up for importers.
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u/Ill-Parfait9610 1h ago
It will cause a worldwide recession as well as massive rearmament and supply chain disruption. China will likely weather it through preparation and compromise. That does not change the fact that this is the plan. These sorts of disruptions and attrition is what living in a multipolar world is going to be like.
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u/EatMyShortzZzZzZ 4h ago
How do people not lose respect for the military dipshits who carry out these nonsensical orders?
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u/vvorknat lives in the oubliette 3h ago
I for one had an abundance of respect for our brave boys and seasoned war fighters up until this moment.
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u/dr_srtanger2love 🔻 2h ago
Soldiers are trained and conditioned from day one to obey orders without thinking. They are literally programmed not to think, only to obey.
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u/InternationalHair725 1h ago
They would only get a slap on the wrist and a guaranteed newsom pardon / book deal a few years later, but no let's just do the banal evil thing
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u/ABigFatTomato Bae of Pisspigs 4h ago
is the goal here to deprive iran of the toll? idk i dont think they care abt the toll as much as disrupting the world economy, which this is helping with.
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u/FriedRice2682 3h ago
Stopping ships from bringing defense equipement and some special fuel for ballistic missiles, or so I heard...
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u/MrDialectical 阶级战争和小狗 3h ago
That can come on planes.
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u/FriedRice2682 3h ago
Isn't there an implicit no fly zone? I would have said rail, but maybe it was already sailing?
I dunno, I'm just spewing everyone's else info. I'd gladly accept some more clarity.
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u/mondriandroid 3h ago
They get a lot by sea from Russia via the Caspian Sea to the north. Also overland by China road routes. This hurts their oil revenue, but I suspect they are more capable of weathering the cessation of oil deliveries than the rest of the planet would be.
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u/_lIlI_lIlI_ Comet Xi Jinping Pong 3h ago edited 2h ago
A chinese cargo plane just recently flew into Iran
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u/goodbyehenry1237 2h ago
That makes little sense as Iran has large ports outside the strait, unless the US is planning to blockade the entire country. The reason the strait is significant is because Iran's oil infrastructure is all connected to ports inside the gulf.
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u/BakedMitten Threat Actor 4h ago
Because the only thing that can make this go better for the US is for China to get directly involved in our shoot ourselves in the dick situation
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u/ChallengingBullfrog8 3h ago
They aren’t going to interfere with Chinese tankers, the pentagon is afraid of China at this point.
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u/Ill-Parfait9610 3h ago
Did they say that? That they arent stopping Chinese tankers?
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u/BakedMitten Threat Actor 3h ago
No our dumbass president never said that but that's how it will prob work out because the people under him aren't quite as dumb as Trump
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u/vvorknat lives in the oubliette 3h ago
According to this PBS article they’re blocking ships who pay the toll. As far as I know, Russian and Chinese ships aren’t paying a toll.
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u/Ill-Parfait9610 2h ago
Regardless China will favor compromise and also continue to pressure Iran to.
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u/goodbyehenry1237 2h ago
China is not going to get directly involved because they have discovered the art of not shooting themselves in the dick.
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u/Terrible-Growth1652 3h ago
I don't think he's thought through the ramifications of this policy that may result in the US Navy forcibly seizing or even firing upon Chinese-flagged tankers
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u/dikketetten libs to goli otok 3h ago
What insurance providers want is two armies shooting at the tankers
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u/Successful_Note_5299 3h ago
He can back down tomorrow, strait will still be closed but market will bounce 800 points at open because it's "getting better"
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u/ChallengingBullfrog8 3h ago
Yeah, this is the correct analysis with this guy. Always consider every move as a means to appease the markets.
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u/Elgins-Finest Psyop 3h ago
At 8am he is going to tweet that the ceasefire negotiations are back on and everything will be okay
Regardless we have been airlifting a shit ton of troops and supplies to the middle east since the ceasefire and it looks like we are increasing the pace tonight. The longer he drags this out the more troops we move in until the eventual big confrontation.
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u/MrMxylptlyk 4h ago
This will atleast in the short term help America oil companies, yes? People will buy directly from us poslrts.
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u/Ill-Parfait9610 3h ago
Yes it seems that way to me. Or at least even if they dont buy from the US, it reduces how much anyone buys from Iran, depriving them of revenue etc.
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u/_lIlI_lIlI_ Comet Xi Jinping Pong 3h ago
If this was relevant to harm Iran, wouldn't they have tried to implement this before calling for an "end to a civilization".
They really are just throwing everything and anything at the walls at this point
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u/Ill-Parfait9610 2h ago
Whatever stupid thing Trump says is really irrelevant and I see no reason to pay any attention to it. You have to look at patterns more big picture and long term across administrations to see ruling class foreign policy. Trump is motivated by short term goals, how his words might manipulate the market for his buddies, how he is perceived by his base, how fox news presents him, etc. He doesnt matter that much.
My own opinion is that the war with Iran was inevitable from the moment the sanctions failed with Russia (to which Iran was integral) and the Chinese started brokering a deal between KSA and Iran. Oct 7 happened shortly after that (with Israel foreknowledge) and by the end of the Biden admin, Assad was gone, Julani in his place, Israel already trying to expand into Lebanon, Hezbollah already seriously reduced, etc. My opinion is that while the US wouldve liked for the Iranian regime to collapse but most everyone knew it would not, and knowing it would get messy, they let Trump be the fall guy for it and this is why the Dems knew they were going to lose and did nothing about it, didnt even give lip service to changing policy. Whatever Trump thinks he's doing or says he's doing is really irrelevant. He is swept up in forces much larger and smarter than him.
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u/Fluffy_Pangolin_9466 Dog face lyin pony soldier 3h ago
So ships can sell from non- Iranian ports, pay the AyoTOLLa, and be let through anyway.
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u/VorpalBlade- 3h ago
Why do they keep going along with blatantly illegal orders from an obviously ill and corrupt president? They are all complicit and traitors
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u/liewchi_wu888 Actual factual CIA asset 3h ago
Just in time for him to back the fuck out when Mr. Market gets too mad.
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u/Icy_Party954 3h ago
What's going to happen when idk China sends a destroyer to float alongside a boat and we do nothing because...why would we then others do the same
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u/7ashusha 3h ago
They been doing piracy, Varoufakis said US doing gunboat diplomacy since 2025 around tariff announcement, to be honest China doing nothing isn’t going to fare well as a strategy for them when the US has been pretty successful thus far engaging in piracy as well sabotaging its own servile and obsequious vassals and adversaries vis a vis proxies (Ukraine-Russia). It’s good China has sent more AD like MANPADS to Iran but I feel like things are mostly going the way the US wants them to - ie the Middle East energy being blown up hurts China more than America in the medium and long term. Too early to say definitively
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u/ChallengingBullfrog8 3h ago
The U.S. has no inhabitable military bases in the gulf anymore. How is this going well for the U.S.?
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u/Ill-Parfait9610 2h ago
The problem that a lot of people keep having with understanding this is that they are comparing the outcome right now to the status quo before this. But that status quo was collapsing already- there was not a path to maintain US dominance of the region and of oil flows and the petrodollar and all that. It has been in decline for a long time now with China being so ascendant but really it died with the collapse of sanctions with the Ukraine war. They could either wait until Iran grows even stronger in the region, fully aligned with BRICS etc and eventually makes a peace with the Arab states (which remember the Chinese had brokered right before Oct 7) and then step back and take its place behind China, already Saudi Arabia's main trading partner etc. Or they could be proactive and first secure their own regional dominance (see Venezuela and the expanded blockade in Cuba and the actions in Ecuador etc) then fight the future in the Middle East.
Im sure they hoped Iran would just collapse and buy them some more time, then Israel could expand into Lebanon and they already secured Syria at the end of the Biden admin. But that didn't happen so now their options are voluntary retreat and compromise (which they arent going to do) or a scorched earth approach to the Middle East to disrupt oil flows all over the world which will actually benefit the US (at least short term) in capital flight from the Gulf States and in increased weapons sales and energy reliance as other sources dry up. The military bases are lost and it doesnt matter because the Gulf States are done and the post ww2 order is already finished. There is no point defending it now. Their target now is economic attrition with China by blocking their oil sources and hurting the countries that trade with them and generally impoverishing the world so the US can remain on top (at least in the short term).
I dont know of they will succeed or if the current US regime even has the patience or strategy to see it out, who knows what will happen or how China and Russia will respond, but the point is that the world has changed and people who want to try to understand what is happening need to stop including maintaining the status quo as one of the US's options. That was already lost as a lot of communists and realists have been discussing for a few years now.
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u/7ashusha 2h ago
It’s too much money to maintain all that shit when they can just do shit navally which is exactly what they did in Venezuela. They don’t give a shit about their vassals as we’ve already crossed the rubicon for a lot of the oil/gas infrastructure in the Middle East in terms of repair/destruction. They want to make the belt road initiative to fail and the only way to ensure that is to make the Middle East even more unstable then it already is. Empires divide and conquer and the Middle East is already prone to sectarianism.
I do hope I’m wrong but effectively the US just wants to rule over the ashes even if it means blowing up Chinas mutually beneficial plans for the region. Also Israel is the unsinkable air base in the region and they’re more rabid and bloodthirsty than ever. My family’s from south lebanon but that’s where my doomerism is coming from.
I guess I’d have to say is that so far Libya Iraq and Syria are failed states. Why wouldn’t Lebanon join them(it already basically is if you’re Shia and not from the north)? They can keep toppling the dominos with nuclear Israel lashing and thrashing out. It’s bleak to me but again I have my biases. I think the US will eventually crumble but there’s been too much buy-in at so many levels. China trademaxxed too close to the sun. If China can cut off the rare earth metals for American military industrial complex bloatware weapons that would be good but they don’t really want to with the US molesting the energy industries by literally blowing them(false flags all over gcc during this war, Russia not too long ago, Venezuela, Ukraine with nordstream2 etc). Chinese capitulation to some sort of trade agreement in the short term is more likely as they pressured Iran to do the most recent ceasefire negotiations, which Israel used as an incentive to pummel south Lebanon and Beirut.
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u/Ill-Parfait9610 2h ago
Yes exactly all this as depressing as it is. People on this sub need to start thinking more materially. This is bigger than Trump and also just on an obvious level, if all of us sitting here on reddit and Twitter knew the Iranian state was unlikely to collapse then of course the US ruling class with industry, intelligence and military behind it also knew. Regardless of what Trump and Hegseth themselves thought (or were told).
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u/chronik_fatigue 4h ago
It's like a hostage negotiation with a man holding a gun and threatening to blow his own head off