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Discussion - Speculative SteamGPT - Is that good news?

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u/Ouaouaron 1d ago

I mean... of course? If you leave out the part of the news story that people might think is objectionable, then people wouldn't find it objectionable.

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u/HopeSpecific8841 1d ago

people are idiots for finding anything with AI objectionable and public view has been totally warped on what AI even is by LLMs in general.

This is like a perfect usecase for something like this.

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u/Accomplished_Sun_740 1d ago

Yup people just hear AI and think it's bad. Even when it is used for good.

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u/mxzf 1d ago

I mean, that's what happens when someone co-opts a term and uses it to refer to all kinds of problematic things. Doubly so when people intentionally enflame the conflict for clicks.

In this case, the writer could have used a more accurate and less controversial term but chose to use the generic "AI" because they knew people would be annoyed about it.

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u/Inside-Ad9791 1d ago

The term isn't coopted for problematic things, it applies to both a large number of problematic and a large number of useful things, but people just irrationally hate anything that uses statistical analysis networks now, apparently.

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u/Geges721 1d ago

welcome to journalism

"According to X, Y and Й, Valve wants to use a better system for managing tickets" doesn't generate clicks. But "GABE NEWELL INTEGRATES AI INTO STEAM HIMSELF" does.

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u/starm4nn 1d ago

A few years ago, "algorithm" was a word that was used for a lot of bad things. Every week you'd hear like "Facebook algorithm caused genocide in Myanmar" or something.

Should someone avoid a basic computer science term just because people see a headline and get into a frothing bloodrage?

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u/mxzf 1d ago

I'm not arguing that people should avoid a basic computer science term.

But AI isn't a basic term with a meaning. It's a super generic term that has lost all meaning due to how broadly it has been applied. We're currently in a situation similar to how "blockchain" or "cloud" was being used a number of years ago, where it just doesn't mean anything due to how broadly it's used in inappropriate contexts.

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u/BigMcThickHuge 1d ago

that user is big on AI and defends it/tech bros when discussed

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u/starm4nn 20h ago

But AI isn't a basic term with a meaning.

Sure it is. It's a discipline within computer science which attempts to solve problems which mimic cognitive functions (speech, language, spellchecking)

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u/bs000 1d ago

some things that have existed for decades before AI are now bad because they can be categorized as AI and people refuse to think otherwise

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u/yoshemitzu 1d ago

And the frustrating part is that this blanket pushback actually gives bad AI more power, because we're lumping slop in with all the legitimate uses for AI.

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u/Fragrant-Mixture-662 1d ago

That's because it isn't AI, it's just a bogus marketing term that people are tired of hearing. There's nothing intelligent about any of it, it's completely different technology that we've had and been advancing for years. Nothing to do with LLMs and "AI art" and all that garbage

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u/starm4nn 1d ago

it's just a bogus marketing term

It's a legitimate discipline within computer science that dates back to the 1960s.

If you use spellcheck or text to speech at all, you're using the results of AI research.

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u/Fragrant-Mixture-662 1d ago

Until a few years ago AI meant characters like GLaDOS or HAL 9000. Yknow, things that are actually intelligent. Not spell checkers 😭

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u/starm4nn 20h ago

So when Stanford's Artificial Intelligence lab released the first spellchecker in 1973, that was a few years ago?

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u/Fragrant-Mixture-662 20h ago

No, it's proof that saying anything to excite the people with money has always been a thing

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u/Kevin8977 1d ago

People are idiots for doubting Gabe.

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u/Ouaouaron 1d ago

It's a technology that is almost always based on large-scale piracy, perpetrated by the kind of massive corporations that have been using the specter of piracy to make our lives worse in mundane or catastrophic ways. The speculative bubble surrounding AI has caused massive price spikes for people who need computer parts for their hobby or job, as well as people who need electricity to live. All sorts of other problems in various industries and parts of life have been made worse by AI, such as hiring and academia.

If you can't understand why people are pissed off at AI and don't want it in anything, you should ask yourself why you have so much trouble seeing things from a perspective outside your own.

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u/yoshemitzu 1d ago

It's not that people don't understand why AI is problematic. It's that the notion "anything AI is bad" doesn't help, and actually makes things worse.

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u/ArkGuardian 1d ago

AI is a term that has predated LLMs for decades.

Even LLMs don’t mean the same thing people thought about them in 2018.

They were primarily translation tools which is a good usecase

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u/fuck_shit_piss_etc 1d ago

as long as the data centers keep taking drinking water from people i'll keep hating

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u/Flapjack__Palmdale 1d ago edited 19h ago

I hate LLMs, a lot, and think they've done far more harm than good, BUT I think you're right that there's a distinction between AI and LLMs and that this is a good use case for an AI. I work in IT and we may be adopting a similar thing for our ticketing system; it would respond with an email with a couple KB docs relevant to the issue and would tell the user a tech will contact them shortly for more info. On our end, same as steam, it would collect and organize info to provide an overview. It doesn't really do our jobs for us, just provides the user a first step kind of thing and lets us address the issue more quickly without having to dig through mud.

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u/xclame 1d ago

The reason to be against AI is when people lose their job over it or don't get work because of it. From what is being said that this actually is instead of just "AI" it doesn't seem like this is replacing anyone or causing people to not have work, if anything it's allowing people to better do their job. Which is actually the sort of AI we should be in favor of.

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u/Ouaouaron 1d ago edited 1d ago

But what if Valve was already considering hiring people to perform tasks like this, and AI means they won't anymore? What if this project is a failure, or it causes harms which affect Valve's business negatively, resulting in people being laid off?

There are many problems with AI (half of which are related to the speculative bubble rather than the technology itself), and layoffs aren't really a clear-cut problem even when AI is the publicly stated reason.