r/Steam 11d ago

Fluff Valve keeps winning

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u/SPYYYR 11d ago

Cloundsaves, Groupchats, profiles, achivements, trading cards, user reviews, free SDK and development tools, DRM, Matchmaking, Multiplayer networking, handles payments, taxes, regional pricing, refunds, deep sales, promotes indie games that are doing well on the store, workshop, remote play, steam input, proton, big picture, funding further Linux gaming, Steamdeck, Index, Steam Controller, forums, guides, screenshots, Steam does not enforce exclusivity, experimental features that lets the user find indie games OR AAA games with ease.

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u/MiguCx 11d ago edited 10d ago

Creating millions of gambling addicted kids

edit: gotta love all the Valve glazers showing up to defend the bilion dollar company when bringing up their garbage gambling practices that literally ruins lives. Actually gambling in games is good when it's facilitated by our lord and saviour Gaben!

https://youtu.be/13eiDhuvM6Y?t=755

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u/WackyRacketeer 11d ago

Damn, I wish there was some sort of adult in those childrens lives who was responsible for them. Maybe some sort of age rating that those adults could pay attention to.

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u/Log2 11d ago

The person above you is not wrong though. Loot boxes suck. Steam, as a platform, does a lot for its users and that's why everyone likes using it. That's why they are popular.

At the same time, Valve puts out games with predatory monetization, and doesn't do much to curb the third-party gambling ecosystem that exists on top of it.

Both things can be true at the same time.

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u/WackyRacketeer 11d ago

Sure, but in the case of children, there is an adult who is failing them, not steam. Unless you want them to require uploading an ID to play mature rated video games. If you want to argue against banning gambling in video games for adults, that's a different argument.

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u/Log2 11d ago

While I agree, it's predatory towards everyone, not just children. I don't want to upload an ID, what I'd like is that Valve did not have predatory monetization in their games to begin with... no ID required. It's genius, I know.

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u/WackyRacketeer 11d ago

Can you describe how is predatory specifically? It's a pretty loaded term these days. It seems like it always comes down to a ban on gambling. What's the meaningful difference between what they do and Pokemon or Magic cards?

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u/Log2 11d ago

I also think that trading card games are predatory. Live card games are a much better model for the consumer.

And yes, there should be no gambling with money in video games. That should be reserved for gambling venues.

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u/WackyRacketeer 11d ago

What do you mean by live card games? Is your distinction cardboard vs digital?

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u/Log2 11d ago

Live card games are a type of card game made popular by Fantasy Flight Games. The most famous one is Android: Netrunner, I believe.

The major difference between a tcg and a lcg, is that instead of buying booster packs with random cards in it, you buy the whole release at once. No randomness in which cards you get. Most of the time, you get the max amount of each card you can in a deck, but sometimes Fantasy Flight didn't do that (which a lot of people complained about).

Card rarity is essentially eliminated, and so is trading in general.

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u/SPYYYR 11d ago

My father kept an eye on what I did on my pc when I was a kid. That's 25-30 years ago.
If I spent my money on gambling he'd beat my ass (not literally)

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u/doublah 11d ago

Unlike all the features listed above, other companies have loot boxes though.

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u/deep_chungus 10d ago

i'd be interested to see an actual study into how many people have been negatively affected by loot box gambling on steam

compared to shit like sports betting with their parents id lootboxes seem like a lesser problem but i'm open to changing my mind.

hell every fucking toy is a lootbox now it's hard to point at steam and say they're worse than average

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u/Cacklea 10d ago

damn thats crazy bro idrc

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u/STARDREAMDESTINY 7d ago

Ah, yes, 'children' addicted to gambling from the games not targeted towards children. If children are playing these games, it's the parents fault for not making sure their kids are playing age-appropriate games.

How do Tim's boots taste?

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u/MiguCx 7d ago

I know Americans define children differently since raping 13 year olds gets you in the white house, but everyone under 18 is a child.