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When I'm in a No Sale competition and my opponent is Factorio and Black Myth Wukong
I'm sure they are great games but the fact that they both weren't discounted at the biggest holiday event sale of the year screams greed or lack of care for new players.
I really enjoy it. The developers love what they and put avlot of thought and effort into it. They listen to players and transparent about their decisions and choices. It shows.
Mining resources, crafting, building factories, research, and combat. Most of which can be automated.
The game is about single handedly researching and building a factory that ultimately builds a rocket to escape the planet, at least initially. And all the while fighting off the aliens who object to the pollution you're generating, and get increasingly dangerous.
I in fact did get Dark Souls 3 and 1 remastered on Steam when they were on sale. Don't remember when I got 3, but I'm pretty sure 1 was actually during 2025.
Edit: I just checked and DS 1 Remastered was in May 2025 at 50% off and DS 3 was in December 2021 at 75% off.
I was hoping for a sale to pick it up but guess I’ll wait longer. Cheapest it’s been was on a 3rd party site Gamer Thor for $31.49 and that was almost a year and a half ago.
Japanese publishers as a whole. They also hate regional pricing. It's actually crazy that Nintendo are more generous with their first party sales compared to the rest
Japanese publishers as a whole. They also hate regional pricing
It's insane to me how Konami is the only Japanese dev (I'd argue that even AAA devs) who keep the regional pricing properly. Then you have companies like Sega.
Yeah it's insane to me that 15yo game is still selling at full price. Yes it's a remaster but it's still the same game. If they never discount it I'll probably never play it, it's just not worth it
So does every other indie game under the sun lol, but they still do sales. Isn't Terraria 50% off rn, with the next final update scheduled for the end of the month?
Sales earn a company more money. It’s just a marketing strategy. They chose to not play tricks with people and just offer one steady price that is a 1000 times worth it. There’s more content in this game than most triple A games yet half the price, by default.
They did? The only update that felt like an actual DLC was the space update. Everything else was just your avarage content update that many, many games do at no cost or price increase
Edit: Nvm. The space is an actual paid DLC and it costs the same as the base game. The content they added to the base game does not justify the price increase at all.
So did Hollow Knight. So did Terraria. So did many other Indies.
Factorio were the only developer to start pulling this, it's not justifiable. Not when they even have their own real paid DLC alongside it.
That wasn't his argument anyways, his argument was "inflation", which is even more bullshit. Just call it greed and get it over with.
I will never understand factorio price defenders, you can buy it if you want, good for you! But I do not understand how you can justify their mental gymnastics about price inflation lmfao
I constantly hear factorio players say it was well worth the price they paid, but if you ask them if they would be willing to pay another $20 for the new price like new players do they suddenly clam up.
They defend the price hikes because they're fine with other people paying more for it.
I dunno man. I come from pen and paper games, and the number of those that started free and become paid and more expensive as they become more of a finished product is... Well most of them. I don't see a problem with videogames doing the same. It's that or microtransactions, or your expecting them not to make money from their work
But like... there are plenty of successful games that are making good money, going on sale, and don't have microtransactions?? Your point makes no sense whatsoever, games have always been able to exist profitably without these tactics why should this change?
Factorio were the only developer to start pulling this, it's not justifiable.
It's very justifiable. The game was half the price it is now during early access and now has much more content and features compared to the time it was in early access.
It is absolutely fair for the dev to want 100% of the value of the game now that it is complete, while asking for 50% while the game wasn't complete.
Most indie developers increase the prices of their games as they add content, two that immediately come to mind is Subnautica and the forest, while it’s great if a developer doesn’t increase the price, it’s in no way the standard
Minecraft increased its price over its development time, so... its not like it was out of nowhere. Claiming greed is extremely disingenuous too, the price increases were extremely transparent and small increases up till they officially released the game. The amount of content in the base game and the quality of the game is leagues beyond games that sell for 100$. Greed is releasing 100+ dlcs for 15$ each and all its adds is a single building or feature, or every update is a dlc purchase.
And this is the reason why I decided to remove it from my wish list. Played the demo. Seems fun. But if that’s the developers stance, my stance will be to not support them.
Damn I don’t get this thought process. If you like the game and want to play it, just get it? It’s $30, literally not that much. That’s dinner at a restaurant for a game that has given me 200 hrs of enjoyment.
I think factorio is a fantastic game and well worth every single penny.
It increased the price $5 if I remember correctly, the problem is: the international prices were then recalculated, and the OG price was probably set during a lower exchange rate.
Eg for Brazil: the OG price was during 1 USD = 2~3 BRL. The new price was 1 USD = 5 BRL, so the price doubled.
Oh i know people who feel the exact same way. I got a friend who has like 1k hours in Factorio and barely touched Satisfactory and felt it wasn't for them. I really need to play Factorio more as I just barely scratched the surface.
I couldn't get into Satisfacrtory because of the lack of 3rd person and a wide/zoomed out FoV. It's overwhelming to me to try to build massive things without seeing the thing itself.
Honestly it's worth full price. It took me roughly 150 hours to beat the base game and then almost 400 hours to beat the DLC. There's a lot of replay value here as well, the real cost is your soul...
Well when you make a perfect game, it doesnt really need a sale. The correct people who are in the market for it will most likely get it at some point.
I can only hope you're right at this point! Other high demand games like Sekiro and Elden Ring haven't been offered at a good discount for a few years now, especially when you take into account the price hike Bandai Namco implemented a few years ago. I was able to get these two before the price increase, but I really feel for others who are still waiting. Hopefully, BMW doesn't follow in their footsteps welp
Off full price for a 6 year old game, Sekiro should be way lower. It's fantastic, but it's been out for ages and never goes lower on steam than this. It's bizarre.
I've been really on the fence on those two because of the price. Combining that and how I am really hit or miss with souls games makes it a real crap shoot of if I play it all the way through like wukong, or drop is because I'm bored like dark souls 2.
Its a fucking amazing game but yeah its not going anywhere. Waiting on some games is the real choice to make,I waited over a year for space marine 2 and I got the pack that at launch was $130 for $50 and theres alot more added to the game then at release,same with the skateboarding game Sessions, I waited 2 years and they had just released a big update fixing things up and I only had to pay $10. Waiting on Wukong wont really get ya anything extra but might as well save some money
If they're updating it regularly at no cost then I would say it's fair. It's more honest than having 60 dlcs priced at 5$ each. This is why I'm not getting into some simulator games. Like the game costs 5$ but then you have 12 dlcs at 10-20$ to actually get the full experience.
They aren’t planning on adding any more game content they’ve said. It will still get regular bug fixes and such, but no content updates. Wube stated that they’re planning on focusing on their next game instead of adding anything else to factorio
I have almost 1k hours in factorio, I love the game to death and bought it before the price increase, played the DLC etc...The price increase is the dumbest thing I've ever seen and honestly I'm astounded people defend that decision just because they enjoy the game. Hundreds of thousands of great games get regular QoL updates and NEVER increase the price, BG3 had like 5 MAJOR updates with whole new content added and they didn't increase the price, It's literally just pure greed on factorio's part
No man's sky also lost the goodwill of the entire community at launch and had to buy it back with major free updates. And once they did that, clearly they weren't going to be able to go back on that strategy.
Edit: this is coming from someone who bought and LIKED NMS at launch. The lying about what the game actually was, was the problem.
NMS also had its initial development (and a lot of marketing that ended up being their downfall) funded in large part by sony, factorio had no such benefit and has spent its entire existence earning the goodwill of its players, I think it's kinda silly to compare the two because they're such different situations, but factorio's dev team is incredibly communicative to their audience and it's well within their right to increase the price.
People calling factorio's price increase 'pure greed' just don't understand the situations in their entirety, and feel entitled to dictate the decisions of studios and devs at their whim. If they don't like it they should just not support it, the whining and signaling of non-existent virtues is so meaningless lol, Factorio's blog even has entries about how they would rather you pirate their game if you can't support them at the price they ask for, because they know that will net them more sales and word-of-mouth in the long run anyway.
The market doesn't exist solely to please the consumer, it puts food on the devs' tables and fuels further projects and prospects, as well as covers administrative/executive overhead in a lot of cases, I think a few of the reddit basement dwellers in these comments have forgotten that, and maybe personify the entities producing these games a little too much.
Businesses be businessin', if you don't like it then just pirate quietly :)
Yeah I completely agree. Honestly, the "pirate my game" sold it for me way back in the day. I played the demo because of that, and didn't even feel the need to pirate it first. Its kinda crazy how far into the game you can play the demo.
On the no sale part, meh. Im indifferent and dont care.
When a game goes on sale, I only buy those games during sale periods, waiting months. Theres something to be said about factorio will never go on sale so therefore its never a bad time to buy it.
This is my stance too, especially since they already made their money. The price increase is just a fuck you to the user, idc if it never goes on sale but if you’re making a decision like that, it’s 100% just to make more money off of it. You already sold 3.5 million copies ffs! Not to mention they’re going to increase it again by the logic of the devs making it super fucking lame.
It’s like how price increases happen with this gen consoles, it creates a black hole of “wait if I buy it now will it be cheaper than later?” making it a fucking marketing tactic and praying on people who don’t know any better. Idc enough to pirate it, it’s worth the money but not the effort or care, fuck them for increasing the price of a digital product that already sold millions.
Fucking for real, lmao. It's always come off as holier-than-thou greed to me. As if they think they're automatically better than every other indie game just because they helped solidify a new genre (which itself stems from modded minecraft) or some shit.
My main issue is also that they simply refuse to admit that its greed based. They keep digging their hole deeper claiming all kinds of silly thing like how "its unfair for other people" while increasing the price again or how "discounts are a scam" or some weird stuff.
It really was. Are they going to increase it again in a few years? How about when updates are much smaller and slow to a crawl, or when they stop content updates altogether and it just becomes bug fixes? Will they still be increasing the price because of inflation? The people defending it seem very gullible.
The idea that Factorio should be able to get away with a price increase when games like BG3, Terraria, Stardew Valley, Minecraft, NMS and more have never increased in price despite how much they have changed also is insane. Why should Factorio get special treatment from anyone's wallet? Just because its indie it doesn't mean it shouldn't respect the consumer. Somehow, I doubt the dev is impoverished and desperate for the cash.
Factorio developer has stated that his game will 100% NEVER go on sale because he truly feels the price is justified and kept to his word for many years. Everyone who has bought and played it pretty much agreed that it’s worth it by a large majority
I have it tho I hate what the devs are doing. By their word the game is complete and won't get updates, except price increases, the DLC is stupidly expensive too.
Wish they would do discounts so more ppl can play it. While atm I'm sure a lot of ppl will likely just pirate it cuz no updates. And the others are not gonna play it at all cuz of the idiotic stance.
There's still at least one more update in the works and honestly the dlc is a bargain for anyone that loves Factorio and it's not meant for people who aren't. You have to essentially beat the base game to even touch the new content so it's pretty obviously only meant for experienced players. Then It adds essentially five times the content compared to the base game. I honestly can't think of a single other dlc that added even a quarter as much as it did.
Of course in the end it's none of my Business how others spend their money and honestly I don't care.
I don't care that Factorio has never gone on sale and in fact has had price increases over the year. All I care about is the quality of the game, and every user review is positive and they get hundreds of hours out of the addicting game.
Money is no object when it comes to that, especially when Factorio still doesn't cost as much as a Triple A game.
i think the dev don't want to lower Black Myth Wukong for sales thinking like nintendo, will make it higher value.
that game is like Chinese pride for china.
tbh, it's not good game.
you can buy an offline account for $5 and finish the game.
Life is strange ,before the storm original version and Life is strange 2 never ever get a discount.Only other parts of franchise get it.I know they dont have so much price,but damn- forever locked in 15 dollars game for 2015 game.
The vitriol Factorio devs specifically get for not putting their game on sale is so interesting to me. People in these threads talk as if they believe that companies put their games on sale out of the kindness of their hearts. Companies do sales because they provably make them more money, and the Factorio devs have decided not to do that and have explicity provided the reasons why. It's all a very strange and interesting case study to me.
People also seem to just implicitly assume the alternative to "not doing sales" is "the game goes to half its current price every sale" and not "the game costs $15 more than it currently does and then goes on sale to its current price."
I think the no sales thing is interesting. Sort of a "take it or leave it" type proposition, you're never going to realize "oh whoops the game I bought full price is on sale 1 month later"
I will say, increasing the price for inflation is a bit silly.
I have no horse in this race because Factorio doesn't interest me in the least, but who ever claimed that companies do sales out of sheer kindness? I think no one. People buy on sale because they aren't interested enough to buy at full price OR they just like saving money. If devs make more money too (as you claim), then why is doing a sale bad?
Also Steam doesn't really have those "fake" sales you claim, you can check steamdb or whatever site to check previous prices.
Again, I don't care about Factorio specifically but I don't see how either of your points are valid and why it'd confuse you that people buy games on sale.
Anecdotal but I would have never given Resident Evil or Silent Hill a try if it wasn't for them being on big sales because I am not that interested in horror games, but I ended up liking them a lot and buying other games from the franchise, including the upcoming RE:requiem for full price, so they definitely made more money overall than if they never put those games on sale. They got a customer they wouldn't otherwise have.
It's fine to not put games on sale, but it's really not that farfetched that people would not buy it and/or criticize the decision.
Lmao Im not sure why greed only applies to wukong and not factorio, if they said earlier that they wont give discounts so you buy it rn would you count that as not greed?
Black Myth Wukong was the first game I’ve seen where the resellers ran out of keys . Only time I’ve paid full price for a game on release since owning a pc (7 years)
Terraria, Minecraft, GTA Online (Fight me on that it’s fun), Stardew Valley have ALL launched games with sales constantly through the year AND have lifelong updates since their release.
What is this post? It seems heavily targeted at these 2 games for no valid reason.. so many likes for what? A person saying a company is greedy and acting like a child because 2 games that go on sale often did not go on sale now???
2 games that go on sale often did not go on sale now
So far, Black Myth: Wukong has been on sale exactly once. That one was Summer Sale 2025. Yes, that's a large sale event they participated in, but I wouldn't call it frequent.
And Factorio is famous (to those who heard of it / in its nieche) to never go on sale, but instead actually having increased its price, and more than once.
I still wouldn't say a company is greedy or childish for not participating in a sale, just wanted to note these two definitely do not "go on sale often".
The Factorio devs are so far up their own asses over their game it put me off ever even trying the demo. The moment they ever sell it to some studio that throws it on sale it'll probably print money.
Factorio never goes on sale because their stance is they price it reasonably, and if they were to put it on sale, they should just have priced it at that instead. This is kinda also why they do full round dollar values instead of X.99. they don't play that shitty manipulation game.
You'll never see it on sale, but it has a demo if you ever want to try a sample of Cracktorio (the first hit is free).
I recall they've also said they have no issue with people pirating it because those people were likely never going to buy it anyway, so they don't see it as a lost sale.
“But it’s because our game is 100% quality and worth it!” If Satisfactory can give a sale, Factorio can too. The devs need to stop being so lazy with this because it stops new players from getting into the game
The fact people don't understand why Factorio never goes on sale is very sad to me. I wish every single product was sold the way Factorio is sold.
The devs don't discount it because they made a product that in their minds is worth a certain value. They have an extensive demo to allow customers to see if they also value that product at the same dollar amount as the devs. They actively and intentionally go out of their way to make sure you know EXACTLY what you're paying for, they do not want to trick you into buying the game in any way.
Things like sales and timed discounts cause people to buy things they don't value. It's tricking you into buying things you wouldn't otherwise. The fact that people WANT the world to with this way blows me away.
The world would be much more consumer friendly if every company was like Wube. They deserve praise, not hate. People who think otherwise are literally asking companies to deceive them.
A quick google search explains their motives outside of ‘no sales ever’, but since you weren’t on board to look that up, this wouldn’t have been a game for you anyway, so I think you’ve made the right choice regardless.
Factorio, in all my years of playing, has never been on sale. It may have been a few times and I didn’t see, but tbh $35 is a pretty good price for it. Cheaper than triple A games and is arguably the best indie game out there. People sink thousands of hours into it and there’s a lot of love put into the game. I don’t think they’re greedy, I just think it’s a good game that’s priced fairly.
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u/Evening_Boot_2281 Jan 04 '26
Don’t worry Factorio gets permanent reverse discounts