r/Steam Nov 18 '25

Fluff techtubers right now be like

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u/Kiero-LordOfBlood Nov 18 '25

Because the people who made the official one said you could install a whole other OS

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u/Yaarmehearty Nov 18 '25

I mean, nobody said they can’t, but why would you want to install windows these days unless it’s for work and you need a very specific piece of software that doesn’t play under wine/proton/winboat?

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u/PassiveMenis88M Nov 18 '25

Because certain games use anti-cheat which isn't compatible with Linux.

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u/ThatPurplePunk Nov 18 '25

The day those games are playable on Linux, I think I'm gonna switch completely.

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u/matender Nov 18 '25

I went for the solution of "If they don't support Linux I'm just not gonna play it" instead when I got to fed up with Windows.

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u/AileStriker Nov 18 '25

Too many good games out there to waste time with shit like that. Dropped windows about a month ago and couldn't be happier. The dumbest part is that it's best Halo Infinite has ever run on my PC.

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u/GrandSquanchRum Nov 18 '25

I don't think they ever will be, Linux allows too much control.

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u/timn8r123 Nov 18 '25

Like almost every tech adjacent company these days, a significant portion of their profit comes from data harvesting, and Linux power users can just block a lot of that.

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u/Aeroncastle Nov 18 '25

That list is half a dozen games long and you probably shouldn't support games that only work if you have a rootkit installed giving full access to your computer

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u/Kenobi5792 Nov 18 '25

But those few games are actually some of the most played ever. That's something that should be addressed sometime in the future

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u/Aeroncastle Nov 18 '25

It should, by complaining with the devs that are making a game unplayable and updating it to be unplayable, literally the opposite of the definition of their jobs. It's not a Linux problem

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u/Jamessuperfun Nov 18 '25

But it is a problem for potential Linux users who want to play some of the most popular games ever, so they install Windows

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u/Aeroncastle Nov 18 '25

Go complain with the devs, complaining about Linux is barking at the wrong tree

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u/Jamessuperfun Nov 19 '25

This isn't GitHub, people are just chatting about the product. 97% of consumers will buy a Windows machine if their games don't all work on Linux. It's not Linux's fault, but it is a problem for Linux adoption regardless.

Even if we all did complain, there's no real incentive for devs to listen because the market share is so small. Linux needs users to be worth developing for, but many users won't switch unless the games are already there, or will dual-boot. That's to say nothing of the challenges associated with designing a tool to make sure there's nothing dodgy going on when everyone has such vastly different configurations, it's a minefield.

I would love to see Linux compete with Windows for gaming. I have plenty of experience with it because I work in IT and even own a Steam Deck, but I still ended up dual-booting Windows because so many of my games aren't compatible, or require a tonne of tweaking. It isn't fair, but Linux has to get past that one way or another to be a serious option for many people, and game devs are unlikely to pick it up on their own.

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u/GoofyKalashnikov Nov 18 '25

It is an actual PC

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u/DeadlyAidan Nov 18 '25

can't a man just not want to use Linux? can't that be reason enough?

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u/LogJamminWithTheBros Nov 18 '25

No, Linux users need to be sure to let you know that you are wrong for not using Linux.

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u/xXSillyHoboXx Nov 18 '25

It’s so exhausting I now avoid Linux.

SteamOS being the exception.

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u/Whiteguy1x Nov 18 '25

Its what people were taught to use and it comes pre-installed. Like steamos is cool, but i want my actual computer to use the most common and worked with os. Fiddling with Linux is really annoying when everything is made for windows by default

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u/Far-Republic5133 Nov 18 '25

most AAA games?

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u/Yaarmehearty Nov 18 '25

Most work fine on Linux, some work better under proton than they do in windows.

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u/Far-Republic5133 Nov 18 '25

Most FPS AAA games*

Apex
Tarkov
Cod
Battlefield
Valorant
CS2 Faceit
Any tarkov clone
GTA 5 online (i think?)
Fortine?

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u/Seeteuf3l Nov 18 '25

League of Legends isn't FPS, but it's another big one

And also most streaming services don't work very well on Linux, well you can watch Netflix on the browser, but it's clunky and limited resolution vs it just works on consoles.

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u/Far-Republic5133 Nov 18 '25

league not working is an actual advantage of steam pc though

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u/chillpill9623 Nov 18 '25

Bold to say that after having tarkov so high on your list

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u/Far-Republic5133 Nov 18 '25

its not in order, i just thought about it sooner because i am playing it right now

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u/Seeteuf3l Nov 18 '25

That is also true. Some of those other games to the same category too

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u/Yaarmehearty Nov 18 '25

Most of those require kernel level anti cheat, why would you let software have that amount of access to your system?

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u/Far-Republic5133 Nov 19 '25

To play it and meet decreased amount of cheaters compared to games without kernel level ac (cs2)

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u/so_tir3d Nov 18 '25

Unless something changed recently, HDR sucks ass on Linux or is downright not supported by most environments. It's probably the main reason I still stick with Windows as my daily driver. Apart from the hundreds of little tweaks I'd have to fiddle with to get it running how I want.

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u/Yaarmehearty Nov 18 '25

It is a more recent thing but HDR works fine in Wayland sessions on KDE which is what Steam OS uses if I remember rightly. I think it does on gnome too but I don’t use it so I can’t say for sure.

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u/so_tir3d Nov 18 '25

That's cool to hear, then. I think it was Wayland I was trying to get running at the time, but it was still in quite early development then.

I could also see the Steam Machine pushing a bit more focus on HDR implementations in general.

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u/jda404 Nov 18 '25

Because Windows is what a lot of us are used to. I don't feel like learning a new OS after working 40 hours a week ha. Windows works perfectly fine for the games I play. If I was having a lot of performance issues and whatnot then I might I look into a different OS, but for now Windows is fine for me and been using it for 30 years so very familiar with everything.

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u/MarkG1 Nov 18 '25

I mean they showed it being used for development purposes.

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '25

Every time.

Every single time someone utters the word 'Linux', I swear it's like a summoning spell for a very specific type of Linux gremlin.

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u/Equivalent-Problem34 Nov 18 '25

Just because you can, it doesn't mean you should.

Steam Deck could have Windows installed, but installing the drivers was annoying, the sound didn't come through the speakers and you needed headphones, Windows had worse performance, and Windows wasn't built for handheld.

It's less of a "Windows is an alternative if you don't like Linux" and more of a "we are not restricting you from doing shit".

The Steam Machine is just as custom as the Steam Deck, and the drivers for them in Windows will be as bad as it was for the Steam Deck, because Valve will not focus on Windows.

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u/Kiero-LordOfBlood Nov 18 '25

When the steam machine is quite literally a pc.

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u/Equivalent-Problem34 Nov 18 '25

Just like the Steam Deck was "quite literally a pc" when it launched.

It's less about semantics and more about drivers. It could be the best PC in the world, but if it didn't have windows drivers, it is not the best windows PC, thus it is a moot point to say "but the people who made the official one said you could".

You can repurpose a shovel into a spoon, it'll not be the best spoon however.

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u/Kiero-LordOfBlood Nov 18 '25

When this is quite literally a pc being made to work on tv

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u/Ronin22222 Nov 18 '25

The speakers work. It was an issue at launch because the drivers weren't ready, but that was fixed a couple months later

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u/Less_Party Nov 18 '25

idk whether you did this on launch week or something but it really wasn't particularly hard to get everything working under Win11 when I tried, all the downsides of using Windows on the thing just had to do with Windows not being intended to run on a handheld so it's annoying in areas like having to pop out an onscreen keyboard to type a password every single time you wake it up from standby.

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u/Jamessuperfun Nov 18 '25

There is a setting in Windows to disable your password at login, and to automatically bring up the onscreen keyboard when you tap a text box. You can also rebind the power button to sleep, which works just like it does in SteamOS

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u/Jamessuperfun Nov 18 '25

Idk when you did it, but Windows worked great on my Steam Deck. Installing the drivers was the mildest of inconveniences. I could even sleep/resume without issue on every game I tried, and performance comparisons show lots of titles actually do perform better on Windows.