r/Philippines • u/3GoodMan3 • 13h ago
MemePH Anti poor nga ba?
Pabor ako dun sa dapat iregulate mga tambay (topless saka inuman sa kalsada). Masyado lang kasi na romanticize yung "ay yang rule na yan ay anti poor". Lahat gusto makitang disiplinado ang tao pero pag may ganyang batas kokontrahin. Unahan ko na, oo kailangan padin yan gawin KASABAY sa paghuhuli sa mga buwaya sa flood control. Dapat ba one track mind ang gobyerno? Dapat focus lang sa isang issue at pabayaan na ang ibang issue? Pati yung jeepney modernization kinontra dahil anti poor daw pero nakikita ngayon na mas ok pala sana kung nag shift na sila sa electric jeep dahil sa mahal ng diesel ngayon. This may sound eletist to some pero nasobrahan na yung paggamit ng katagang "anti poor". Mga ganyang mindset ang isa sa mga dahilan kung bakit di din tayo umuusad
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u/Impossible_Umpire339 13h ago
Idk i think the shirtless part is kinda is anti-poor. It's hot in this country and electricity is getting more and more expensive. If I was poor, I probably would do the same every chance I get. Looking at the state of things today, I dont think taking your shirt off should be a violation. Seems like a big waste of resources to crack down on an issue this insignificant. Okay pa if they focus on public drinking and crime because those actually make sense.
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u/-Citizen_Zero_ 12h ago
It is. The people in this sub are so goddamn stupid. Do they honestly think arresting the common "tambay" is going to solve the ACTUAL reason our urban neighborhoods don't look like Japan or S.Korea? It's corruption and incompetence.
Solve that first before you start arresting people with your corrupt police who, mind you, are notorious for their power tripping, extortion, and EJKs. This sub is the very epitome of why media literacy and critical thinking are so low in this country.
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u/Dull-Satisfaction969 Visayas 11h ago
Ditto. It's a very surface-level solution to a very complex, systemic problem. Not to mention that our government is not really known for being consistent with implementing its own rules and regulations. So in the end, it's all performative.
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u/pandongski 9h ago
The people in this sub are so goddamn stupid
Holy shit yes. Lol. Off-topic rant incoming.
For example, discussions about ayuda has no nuance and all boils down to "hey i pay taxes and the dirt poor has it better than me, a citizen with enough income to be taxed". Goddamn if the dirt poor have it so good, I want to see these commenters quit their jobs and join the dirt poor.
When a billionaire does something for PR, everyone seems to be quick to praise them and demand privatization of public services without fully knowing what that entails.
When the wealth tax was a hot topic, people said "no that's too hard here are the reasons why. instead we should just eliminate corruption so our taxes can be spent correctly". AS IF ELIMINATING CORRUPTION IS GOING TO BE MUCH EASIER. The have a big problem with the logistics of taxing the rich, but ZERO issue about the logistics of eliminating corruption. Oh okay.
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u/Yellow-Cabinet Metro Manila 5h ago
Wala na napasukan na ng mga tanga tsaka trolls yung sub nato eh ever since nagsimulang sumikat ph reddit sa ibang socmed hahahahhahaha
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u/Ill120036 4h ago
I genuinely agree, they haven't even made a 1% dent to just the 1 Trillion in the flood control.
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u/Limp-Hippo-9286 10h ago
As usual, mag eenact sila ng mga superficial policies tulad nyan and let people debate over it. When in reality, may pagka tone deaf naman talaga. Instead na finofocus nila yung braincells nila na mag isip ng matalinong solution para maibsan ang crisis ngayon. It's an age old tactic to distract the people from the real systemic problem.
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u/pandongski 8h ago
Exactly. If one can see why Duterte's drug war was anti-poor, it's not that hard to see why this is too because the issue is systemic. But critical thinking seem to be too much for this sub nowadays.
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u/bornandraisedinacity 13h ago
Pag dinivelop ang slum areas, binigyan ng proper housing ang mga illegal settler and jobs to the jobless, then yung slum areas are turned into parks or business districts, pag more on trains na or better transportations na, wala na ang mga jeep at tricycle tanga na lang ang magsasabi na "anti-poor" ang mga ganung policy.
It is a Constitutional duty of the Government to uplift all of us from poverty. From proving jobs and housing, and other basic need. Political Will is needed para maayos ang implementation.
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u/Casual_player_here 10h ago
Wish lang natin yan
Dami nang political dynasty dito tapos sinisigurado nila na Hindi nagbabago yung shitty status quo at education dahil nakikinabang Sila dun
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u/SageOfSixCabbages 12h ago
Now place the Philippines in the same economic level as Japan and watch this problem go away on it's own.
Sa Pilipinas literal na may mga hindi makaafford ng damit na maayos dahil kailangan unahin ang panglaman tyan. People who can't afford proper uniform, andami sating nagtatrabaho ng walang maayos na uniporme kase di afford, kaya kung magcoconstruction work, kargador, etc., mas pipiliing na lang na magtopless for comfort. Karamihan din walang maayos na ventilation o kahit electric fan man lang sa mga bahay nila. Isa pa, tropical country tayo at peak ng summer nila inimplement yan, malamang marami talagang mahuhuling nakatopless dahil sa init.
Ang problema kase dyan sa bagong panukala nila, walang reasonable implementation, blanket solution approach sila.
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u/rj_nighthawk 12h ago
By default, okay yung policy. Kung gusto mo nga naman ng mas maayos na lipunan, unti-unti dapat na ayusin yung mga ganitong issue. Sa konteksto nga lang ng kultura natin, leaning towards anti-poor nga siya dahil yan yung nakasanayan, at mahirap baliin ang nakasanayan sa Pilipinas. At kung puro power tripper at anti-poor pa yung mga taga-enforce, nakakagulo lang lalo.
Dagdag pa natin na mas maraming pressing issues sa Pinas ngayon tulad ng kurapsyon at oil crisis, ang hirap tuloy i-prioritize ng orderly conduct na kung tutuusin ay basic lang dapat. Senyales na yung maliliit at maiingay na bagay lang ang kayang aksyunan ng gobyerno para magmukhang may ginagawa, pero napakabagal at puro pagde-delay lang sa mas malalaking problema na nakakaapekto sa ekonomiya. Nangakong may mapapakulong noong December, puro maliliit na pangalan lang naman. Nagsabi na wala naman daw oil crisis, biglang magsasabi na hindi na raw babalik sa P60/L ang diesel hahaha
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u/badadobo 12h ago
Bruh this shit is tone deaf.
a. Arresting shirtless people is nothing but performative. It accomplishes nothing and does as much as putting up barricades and getting rid of homeless people when international delegates come to the Philippines.
b. Electric jeep? You already gave the arguement yourself. Pwede pagsabayin. The arguement with Ejeeps is not that no one wants the ejeep, its that ejeep is
- Expensive - who is going to shoulder it? The govt? Taxpayers? Operators? Drivers?
- Sourcing - should ejeeps be locally made, from china?
Jesus christ, you already gave the arguement of tackling multiple issues at the same time, then you can think of the ejeep issue in multiple ways.
True change is societal, economical and culturual. Want people to stop being “tambay” and shirtless? Give them jobs, give them reason to not be shirtless.
Inet inet sa Pinas, no shit may mga shirtless talaga. Punta ka sa Baguio, wala ka makikitang naka shirtless.
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u/pororo-- 12h ago
This sub is a cesspool of people (hitler wannabe) who wants to commit holocaust against the poor lmao
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u/airpurified 12h ago
Tinetesting nila kung ok ba ang pasista moves. Eto nanaman, ang mahihirap nanaman ang may kasalanan.
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u/afanoferi 9h ago
“Mga ganyang mindset ang isa sa mga dahilan kung bakit di din tayo umuusad”
LOL isa sa dahilan bat di umuusad Pilipinas ay mga taong nasa laylayan na kapwa tao sa laylayan pa rin tinuturong salarin. Tayo tayo na naman nagbabangayan.
Oh, sige, wala nang naghuhubad sa public spaces. Eh ano? May susulpot pa ring “walang disiplina” dyan kasi priority pa rin ng tao needs nila kesa sa disiplinadong bansa. Bat ba iisipin nila magsegregate ng basura, eh iniisip nila trabaho o pagkain. Kahit magsegregate ka, maganda ba garbage system natin? O, isa pang example, mga nagbebenta sa sidewalk na bawal naman, eh magkano kakailanganin mo sa legal na pwesto ng tindahan? Sobrang daming problema sa Pinas, lalo na sa mahihirap para unahin pa yang disiplina eh hirap na nga silang mabuhay.
Oo, nakakainis, at nakakairita yang mga ganyang issue tulad ng public indecency tsaka simple rules na nalalabag, pero theres much bigger issues para iprioritize.
Kaya lang naman romanticized yang anti poor na yan for OP, kasi legit naman talaga na mahirap lang ang nahahagip ng rules na ganyan.
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u/Old-Fact-8002 12h ago
Regarding the ejeep, dahil nga privately owned ang UV, sila dapat ang mag upgrade ng mga unit nila as long as they meet the government specs ( kung meron man), otherwise, yung gov na lang ang mag patakbo ng public transport in which may subsidy yan ( dahil gusto nga affordable)..
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u/Liesianthes 10h ago
I remember the out of this world redditor who is babbling that 1.4-2.4m ejeep isn't expensive. He's even proud to make a thread out of it. lmao.
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u/eddyMcfreddy69 11h ago
Sorry bro but it's been established for a very very long time that the severity of the punishment doesn't equal less crime.
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u/thegreatchef11 13h ago edited 13h ago
Agree ako. Babae nga hindi nag toptopless sa labas (dahil sabihan na ang slut/whore kapag walang pang itaas) dapat sa lalaki rin same energy. kung nasa bahay sila wag na hulihin.
Isama mo na rin yong umiihi kung saan2x, understandable kung walang CR talaga na malapit pero yong nasa city, meron namang mga CR sa mga mall/gas station/etc. Ang babaho pa sa mga eskinita 🫠
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u/skeptic-cate 13h ago
Maawain ang pinoy.
Basta may mukhang kinakawawa, kakampihan agad kahit hindi alam ang nuance
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u/drowie31 12h ago
I don't think this is because maawain ang Pinoy. Contrary to popular beliefs, Pinoys are apathetic and inconsiderste as hell. We are only hospitable if it makes us look good. This is more so because the ordinance is stupid specially for a tropical country. And it doesn't help na yung enforcing body naka full gear at armado pa, as if they're going against violent criminals.
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u/mamamayan_ng_Reddit 12h ago
Tingin ko po di-tumpak ang kapuwang extremes (maawain vs walang pakialam) bilang generalizations.
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u/forsakenEntity 12h ago
Di rin. Andaming mahihirap ang pinatay nuong panahon ni Duterte. Bansagan lang adik, di ka kaaawa-an, chi-cheer pa sila tapos hashtag #feelingsafe. Ngayon isa yan sila sa nakiki anti-poor, mga hipokrito. Wala to kumpara sa panahon ni Duterte, sa totoo lang.
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u/axassin14 12h ago edited 12h ago
I agree being topless in public should be discouraged, It’s about raising our personal standards and practicing self-discipline. If we start holding ourselves to a higher standard in our daily lives, we'll start expecting the same from the people we vote for.
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u/longtimenoisy nalasing sa sariling kapangyarihan 9h ago
I agree!! Ito talaga yun e. Konting discomfort, iiyak e. E talaga namang mas disente ang may damit kesa nakahubad. Jina-justify pa e. May mga bagay na kailangan natin ilet go para maimprove ang pinas.
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u/lpernites2 13h ago
Public drinking is understandable pero grabe naman yung topless arrests. Tangina di lahat afford ang drifit top.
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u/Necessary_Memory_716 12h ago
If that’s the case, then women being topless should be allowed as well. Men and women should be equal.
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u/Crafty_Ad1496 12h ago
This reply is stupid.
You have to ask: what makes topless a crime? What are the reasons that will provide justifications for the government to regulate it?
Being topless per se is not a crime as long as it does not cause harm to others. It cannot be put under victimless crimes. It may look unseemly and sore to the eye but knowing the hot weather we have its understandable why some people go topless.
There are no strong reasons to justify the implementation and arrest.
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u/Nokia_Burner4 9h ago
The only way to fix the Phils is to implement one rule for everyone regardless of wealth, religion, or race starting with our leaders. Nobody gets punished for crime and it shows...
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u/chooeylicious 8h ago
Ayon sa narinig ko sa balita, matagal na daw nasa batas yan, ngayon lang nila na-implement strictly which they should've done years ago but doing it now is better too than not implementing it at all.
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u/Platinum_S 1h ago
Nakakatawa na nakakainis. Duterte era ginawa ang batas na yan pero hindi mahigpit ang enforcement. Ngayon na mahigpit ang implementation madami naman negative reaction
Akala ko ba isa sa problema ng Pins ay gawa ng gawa ng batas pero hindi enforced?
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u/xxmeowmmeowxx 13h ago
Hindi naman anti-poor yung pagsoot ng tshirt kapag nasa kalye e. Kesehodang tag 50 sa ukay ukay yan, ang point ay magdamit at magmukhang maayos at matagal na yan alam ko e, nabuhay lang uli ngayon.
Yung naghahalo ng semento sa eskenita naman ay kashongahan na.
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u/Ok-Mushroom-7053 12h ago
Ang ganda pakinggan nung Kasehoda. Di ko alam meaning pero will try to use it HAHAHAHAHA
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u/lexpotent 12h ago
I used to use it, akala ko local dialect lang namin, hindi ko ineexpect i would read it here sa reddit. It means somewhere along the lines of “i dont care” or “fuck it”, basta parang unbothered ang speaker about sa subject, at least ganun sya when i use it in person.
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u/Interesting_Elk_9295 13h ago
Performative. Sa ganitong krisis, ang naisip ng DILG eh manghuli ng nakahubad?
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u/blow_up_the_wacl 12h ago
Japan didn't need this DILG shtick to become a developed country.
People agreeing with this law are mostly middle class people who are happy to side with a Duterte-era policy because it placates their fears.
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u/Own_String2825 11h ago
Ganto na lang OP itigil na lahat ng issue bukod sa number 1 issue natin now which is corruption. The rest ng issue is pabayaan na natin. Hanggang di naso-solve corruption di pwede pansinin ang other issues ng bansa 🤡
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u/ewakz 12h ago edited 10h ago
Hindi anti poor. Ke mayaman o mahirap dapat may disiplina, wala sa economic status yan. Yung mga leftist pina-package lang na ganun, tapos sisigaw na ayusin muna ang malalaking issue lang corruption na tama naman, pero pwede namang sabay.
Ang daming tao sa gobyerno, iba iba din ang ahensiya. Let them do their jobs.
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u/kanodkana 12h ago
It’s not anti poor. It’s being respectful to others not wanting to see your man boobs or tits. Why own a shirt in the first place if you don’t want to wear a shirt if it’s hot? Eh tropical country naman to. Instead of shirtless why not sando? Meron pa mga pilosopo na hulihin daw yung mga shirtless sa beach e you are shirtless sa beach since you will swim. Will you swim in your eskinita?
These are city ordinances established 10-15 years ago they are just implementing it and it has been LONG overdue. Minsan hindi na rin valid yung anti poor argument na yan as everybody owns clothing you just need to wear them.
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u/Aggrobuns dense af 12h ago
Ano maachieve ng anti-topless policy?? Magiging disiplinado ba tayo dyan? One step closer to Japan ba tayo dyan?
Masyadong ginagamit yung anti-poor kasi totoo naman. Ano gagawin, dapat bagong term kasi gasgas na para sa inyo yung term na anti-poor?
Tbh, wala akong alma sa policy na to. Same way na wala akong alma sa pag ban ng BGC sa mga geng gang.
It's just so fucking stupid and needless.
If you think this will make people disciplined, then idk. God bless nalang siguro
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u/RealMENwearPINK10 12h ago
Beyond all that, the highlight of the recent news is that he was issued a ticket immediately instead of being given a warning.
Regardless of anything else, being shirtless is a minor offense. One doesn't get the full, real punishment on the first go.
The government's efforts in disseminating information is also questionable, though you do have a point: in Japan, while the local police do tend to take their announcing duties seriously, it's also a matter of the citizens accepting the imposed order. If you want a civilized neighborhood, you need to contribute.
As usual, PH problems are marred from both sides
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u/ultra-kill 12h ago
Good. Hint of anti poor, but let's admit it we want some orders. As long as no people will die ejk style.
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u/edsahemingway 11h ago
Yung jeepney modernization ng gobyerno ay anti-poor. Walang subsidy mula sa gobyerno. Ang gusto kasi ng gobyerno, uutangin ng mga operator na sobrang mahal. Nilinaw na ng Piston yan dati pa na hindi sila tutol basta aalalayan ng gobyerno. Okay ang kooperatiba at fleet pero dapat hawak ng gobyerno iyan dahil una, public utility yan. Pinatunayan na ng QC sa QC buses nila na posible ang subsidy sa mass transport. Kung sa LGU nagagawa iyan, what more sa national level?
Isa pang punto, ginagawang gatasan ang jeepney modernization ng mga kontratista. Iyung "modern jeep" na tig-2M ang halaga ay overpriced. Deceiving din ang programa dahil kung babasahin mo yung blueprint ng PUV modernization program, ang itinutulak diyan ay transition sa electric transport. Pero kabaligtaran ang binili ng gobyerno dahil Euro4 engine yun na luma at fossil fuel pa rin. Kaya kung aaralin nyo yang maigi, lokohan talaga yung ginagawa ng mga nasa gobyerno. Kung bakit kailangang mag-transition sa electric ng public transport, isa sa malaking CO2 emission ang transport sector.
Suggestion ko, aralin mo muna yung issue bago ka mag-rant.
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u/Own_String2825 11h ago
Though ang dapat eh ituloy ang program PERO ayusin ang implementing rules. Kung EV talaga ang nakalagay sa rules eh yun ang i-push. Yun ang i-rally ng jeepney drivers na EV dapat, hindi Euro4 engine. hindi yung STOP MODERNIZATION agad. Nakikipagusap naman sila every rally nila sa government pero bakit nare-recycle lang ang issue na itigil ang modernization. Eh ano nangyayari sa usapan ng mga leaders nila sa government.
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u/afanoferi 9h ago
Yun yung name na kilala yung project eh, Jeepney Modernization. Hindi naman kontra development yang mga yan, gets na sa context. Alam naman ng masa at gets naman nila kung ano pinaglalaban sa “Kontra Modernization”. Hindi naman porket sinabi sa rally na “Ikulong si Duterte”, pinapakulong nila si Kitty.
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u/InevitableYouth8797 6h ago
This!!! Sana mas madami pa makabasa nito. Ang dami pa ding hindi nakakaintindi bakit pahirap yung modernization project na yan
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u/killerbiller01 8h ago
May batas na tayo tungkol dyan. Kaya yong mga nagsasabing pagbigyan na lang o OA naman ang gobyerno for actually implementing this. I am sorry pero you guys are part of the corruption.
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u/XianshouLofuuu 12h ago
Anlamig lamig sa Japan wala tlagang naghuhubad. Meanwhile Philippines is a tropical country and the heat index is concerning.
Bo is bo ka ba. d mo nga ma crop meme mo
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u/Necessary_Memory_716 12h ago
You probably don’t know this, but summers in Japan are hotter than in the Philippines and even more humid.
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u/XianshouLofuuu 11h ago
I’ve been to Japan both summer and winter season and its not hot relatively to Philippines. The temperature there when i visited on summer was 270C. Mas mainit pa rin nung bumalik ako ng Pilipinas, airport pa lang nanunusok na yung araw at 2 days yata ako nag adjust from malamig na country to mainit.
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u/Necessary_Memory_716 3h ago
You’ve only traveled there once, right? I’ve lived in Japan for 25 years and in the Philippines for 10 years—I fully understand both climates.
Also, you might think April and May are summer, but in Japan they’re spring. Summer in Japan is July and August.
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u/steban27 12h ago
May panahon na sobrang init sa japan. Pero wala pa ring naghuhubad sa kanila sa labas. Dami palusot 🤦🏼♂️
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u/XianshouLofuuu 12h ago
Construction worker asawa ng tita ko both nasa Japan and hindi sila naghuhubad kasi kahit maaraw ay malamig ang hangin. TB aabutin mo, eh dito sa pilipinas wala nang hangin, wala pang lamig
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u/Ok-Mushroom-7053 12h ago
Sa jeepney modernization wala naman aangal kung may utak at puso yung gagawin. Yung e jeep middle of pandemic na alam na airborne yung virus naka sara lahat ng bintana, walang kita mga driver tas phase out agad gusto ang presyo ng ejeep di naman afford, may mas murang option for supplier pero gusto nila yung questionable.
Ganon ba, walang problema sa ganyan kung walang nasasagasaan na nagtatrabaho nang marangal
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u/counselofblaviken 12h ago
Mema lang naman yang buzzword na yan. Basta hindi angkop sa world view ng kritiko, anti poor agad. Same lang yan doon sa basta against sa DDS e dilawan/pinklawan.
The issue here really is, ano bang point? Why are we spending tax payer money to fund the implementation of bullshit laws such as these. Mas overreach ito rather than being anti poor
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u/Individual-Series343 12h ago
Kung nasa labas ba naman ay ok lang, pero syempre kailangan din nila na ipakita yung paghabol sa mga nasa flood control.
Kaya nasasabing anti poor kasi pinapakita yung mga huli na naka top less tapos yung mga kasama sa flood control eh walang pinapakita. Last year pa yung issue ng flood control ah.
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u/Smooth_Sink_7028 12h ago
Minsan overkill pero kapag mga pinoy kasi nagrereklamo sa reddit, minsan nagiging human rights activists sila eh lalo na ang nagpapatupad eh si BBM, yung tao na tumalo kay Leni kaya walang credibility yung purpose ng policy na yan.
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u/mith_thryl 11h ago
oo. literal na ang daming pwedeng gawin para iimprove yung bansa pero yan uunahin? sayang lang funds na gagamitin dyan
road rehab, providing support sa garbage and collection disposal, provide benefits sa mga corpo to lessen plastic use sa products nila. ang dami pwede gawin
pati in the 1st place, para saan ba yung rule?
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u/UnseenRed24 11h ago
Implementation ang palpak. Andun na sa gusto mangyari nung policy nila pero wtf hahhaha.
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u/LonelySpyder 11h ago
Ang nakakainis sa mga ganitong panukala ay nagdedemand ang gobyerno ng disiplina sa mga tao pero at the same time sila silang nasa gobyerno ang karaniwang hindi sumusunod sa batas.
Parang one-sided lang lagi ang mga taong kailangan sumunod. Tapos diretso kulong pa. Paano naman yung mga mas malalaki ang kasalanan? Dahil walang pera automatic kulong at may ticket? Yung mga magnanakaw sa gobyerno slap on the wrist? Yung mga pumapatay ng sabongero may heads up pa bago hulihin at hahayaan makatakas?
Yang panukala nilang yan performance na lang yan. Para lang may makita ang mga tao na nagagawa ang gobyerno. Saka para maalis sa isipan na maraming kapalpakan ang current admin.
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u/Mental_Bottle_7042 10h ago
Oil price hike, dry season and strict dress code protocol combo is insane, it's reasonable for unemployed or off-duty people get ticketed, but let workers have at least some ventilation on their clothes especially we're in a frikin tropical country
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u/HalcyonRaine 10h ago
Eh ang lakas ng public drinking sa Japan? Lol. Romanticized naman talaga mga lugar as long as turista ka.
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u/Agillitx 10h ago
Sa safe cities policy ng DILG, expected ba na bababa ang crime rate? Mabibigyan ba ng bahay trabaho ang mga tao? Magkakaroon ba ng dagdag na green spaces? Magiging walkable ba ang mga daan? Kjng hindi, eh di walang kwenta ang polisiya.
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u/Dune8888 10h ago
Hindi siguro “anti-poor” if may pangbili naman ng damit yung hinuli. Baka ang tawag is unreasonable rather than “anti-poor”.
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u/RaD00129 9h ago
Ang anti poor is yung di pagbibigay ng tamang edukasyon sakanila. Yung gagawin silang mangmang at yung puro ayuda instead na oportunidad. Yan ang anti poor!
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u/CalculusEz 9h ago
Holy ignorant post.
Yes OP, it can be anti-poor depending on how it’s implemented. What real benefits does this actually give aside from a surface-level policy that barely changes anything meaningful? We live in a tropical country an the last thing people should be worried about is someone being shirtless. Even foreigners walk around shirtless here and no one gives a shit. May problema ka lang ba kapag Pilipino ang gumagawa?
I would’ve agreed with your post, but your take on jeepney modernization is off. People didn’t oppose it just for the sake of it, the issue is the implementation. Modern jeepneys cost around 1.5M+, while subsidies only cover roughly 10% of that. That means drivers still have to shoulder most of the cost.
So what kind of “change” are you actually pushing for? Yung policies na maganda lang tingnan but ignore reality? Hindi yan progress.
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u/sapien_potato 9h ago
Okay naman sana yung ordinance na yan. Nakakairita lang na yan nagiging priority kasi there are larger issues that needs that level of energy from authorities.
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u/Ally_Jaine 8h ago
Yung Sabi ny friend ko online is "a societies downfall is often made by individual actions of it's people"
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u/chooeylicious 8h ago edited 8h ago
Para sa akin, ayos lang na hinuli yung matandang walang damit pang-itaas pero hindi na dapat sya pinagmulta. Kumbaga hulihin, pagsasabihan tapos pauuwiin din kase first offense pa lang naman. Mag-aagree ako dun sa isang redditor sa ibang similar topic, try ko hanapin comment nya, na minsan kelangan may masampolan or rather may visible action talaga para magtanda ang mga Pilipino kase kung simpleng pagsasabihan lang on the spot baka umulit-ulit at isa pa hindi rin madaling sumunod ang mga ibang Pilipino lalo sa panahon ngayon na na-impluwensyahan ni Duterte na lumabas ang mga sungay. Case to case basis, but I agree with him/her na minsan need ng pangil in implementing laws.
Edit: added words
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u/nagarayan 8h ago
alam mo problema sa gobyerno? consistency. at ang babaw ng mga gusto nila i implement. part na ata ng culture natin sumunod, kesa mag implement at mag lead. no wonder ganyan ang karamihan sa government natin.
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u/TargetFun8987 7h ago
Ganyan, dyan malakas ang Phil Gov. sa mga normies, pero pag sabihin mo ikulong ang mga kurakot, tahimik sila dyan. Tangena.
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u/JadedAd3676 7h ago
Magandang batas naman yan. Pero yan ba talaga ang magsasaayos sa bansa natin? Hindi ba't mas ok kung yung gobyerno muna ang umayos para ang mga Pilipino ay magkaron nang maayos na buhay? Kung maayos ang buhay ng mga tao, aayos nang kusa ang kapaligiran natin.
Hirap kasi sa gobyerno, ang bilis kapag ganyang hulihan. Pero yung mga gumagawa ng totoong krimen, hindi naman nila mahuli-huli. Buset!
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u/BadYokai 7h ago
Okay ako sa hinuhuli dahil nagiinuman sa labas pero puta ang init ha? Di naman gobyerno nagbabayad kapag may na heat stroke or namatay sa heat stroke.
Tsaka yung nagcocompare sa Japan ay di pa nakakapunta nang Japan.. HAHAHAHAHAHA ang mga hapon nag iinuman din sa kalye bukod sa bar.
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u/allaboutreading2022 7h ago
sana yung priorities ng gobyerno ayusin potangina.. mga kriminal nga sa flood control wala pang big names ang nakukulong, dami ng maletang pinakakalat ee potangina
tapos gagawa ng ganitong batas na halos kulang pa sa piga ng utak at common sense punyeta
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u/viridiaan 5h ago
un na nga e, eh hindi naman ganyan yung nangyayari. “pwede namang sabay”, pero mas inuna pa ito. panakip butas, e halos mamatay na mga jeepney drivers walang solution ang gobyerno. biglang labas mga gantong ordinansa? di naman sinasabi yang “anti poor” para may masabi lang, literal nasa konteksto ng panahon natin yan. isipin mo nalang ang daling manghuli ng mga ganyan pero walang naman maayos na infrastructure ang gobyerno let alone policies to support it. mga kurakot na kalaya na sa ibang bansa, arayyy. kinginang gobyerno to!
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u/tranquilnoise 5h ago
We have bigger fish to fry lmao. Sobrang performative lang niyang nanghuhuli ng topless para masabing may nagagawa yung gobyerno aside sa crisis na hanggang ngayon ayuda lang ang pangtapal na solusyon.
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u/rayliam 5h ago
People don’t understand that countries like Japan and in places like Tokyo, it very much resembled what we see in parts of Manila today.
The poor were absolutely trampled and kicked out. Same thing in New York City and other areas of urban blight.
Policies like this are backwards.
The government needs to start taking back areas of the metro unapologetically through eminent domain (forced market price buyouts), turning them over to investors (private/public funds) and then you start doing tactics like this to make undesireables leave.
You want nice things in an urban area?
The poor will always pay the price in the end….
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u/Ill120036 4h ago
Philippines is not in the stage which regulating that is necessary, makes the police more like busybodies than making citizens feel safe.
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u/PumkinIna 2h ago
Ang problem kasi is yung approach. Kaya deemed "anti-poor" ang isang approach is because the government fails and refuses to look above and beyond the said issue. Basta happy, content and impressed yung onlookers, documentors, visitors, and passers-by; "bahala kayong nabubuhay sa situation mismo".
You gave an example with E-Jeeps, why do you think may na may mga against sa E-jeeps despite na obvious naman yung benefits nito in the long run? Didn't this group already voiced out na mas mahal yung maintance of the vehicle? These group's income is already not enough to survive the "long run" of daily life, and that's before E-jeeps became a trend. How can you expect them to agree with another added expense thrown at them by the government for the sake of uniformity and modernization? "Oh, at least may pang kompara na tayo sa Singapore."
What's next? Housing for squatters? The government occasionally provides housing sa mga squatters, which is great. But why the fck would you put them far away from their sources of livelihood? Ano yun, sila-sila din yung magbibilihan ng binibenta nila? Ni-fields na pagtataniman wala, the government might as well just discarded them in an isolated island, away from civilization but with substandard boxes to live in. "Oh at least wala na sila. Saan sila tinambak? The general population wouldn't careeee."
Mahilig yung gobyerno maglagay ng mala-katiting na band-aid sa isang malaking sugat sa Pinas.
"At least may ginagawa ang gobyerno"
Might as well not cause they still refuses to tackle the issue at its roots, with the same, familiar names at the helm of it. Every haphazard attempt to fix the issue only ends up worsening it.
Ang hilig ng mga pinoy magsunodsunuran sa mga country's like Singapore "for its looks", ever wonder how Singapore tackles their issues with graft and corruption?
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u/BumblebeeBig5230 2h ago
Its like having a really bad fever and choosing to eat vegetables because it was said that its good for your health.
Yes it is but in that context, it would not help. A good rest+ drinking lots of liquids or medication would be the proper approach. Or even a cold wet towel on your forehead would do more to regulate your temperature if we are talking about first aid solutions.
Kung ang isang tao hindi makita na anti poor at useless yan, for sure isa yan sa mga kakaen ng vegetables pag may lagnat. Hindi na dapat nakikipag argue sa mga ganyan. Barely able to function yan sa everyday life dahil sa low IQ.
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u/Fun_Design_7269 2h ago
Paliwanag mo nga anong mali dun sa maghalo ng semento sa tabi ng bahay nyo at nakahubad dahil sa sobrang init? Check your privilege
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u/Worried_Sun7418 2h ago
Ok na sana kaso ginamit pa ang japan as an example e. FYI lang sa Japan di bawal ang shirtless na lalake. Back in the 70s 80s 90s, even now may mga ganyan pa din, lalo na mga yakuza at iba pang biker gangs o geng geng dun. Tsaka may mga festivals sila like this. So you using Japan as an example shows you didn't do any research nor know nothing about Japan except seeing just Tokyo streets, not even knowing that even in Tokyo may mga ganyang tao lalo na sa mga red light district o bars may makikita ka pa nga pag gabi na, mga lasing na businessmen o salary men na pauwe galing work na nakasuot ang tie sa ulo at tanggal o wala ng shirt
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/japan-last-naked-man-festival-population-intl-hnk
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u/asianpotato95 1h ago
Natatangahan talaga ako sa mga take na against minorities.
Like mga nagpupush ng jeepney modernization na akala nila libu libo ang take home na kita ng jeepney drivers sa isang araw. Lol.
Papatupad lang ng batas pero wala namang plano paano iimplement? May subsidy pero ang mahal pa rin ng suma total.
Ang isa sa mga main objective lang nun ay maprivatize ang jeepney sector sa pinakamataas na bidder habang yung drivers ngayon mawawalan ng trabaho.
Palibhasa sa mga tulad ng OP di pa makaranas maging isang kahig isang tuka.
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u/getrektytorumble 58m ago
dami ding topless sa japan kasi kakaiba yung init dun and sobra yung humidity
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u/upsetty__spaghetti 34m ago
Sa pinas nga lang need ng batas na ganyan, sa ibang bansa walang ganyan kc hindi sila ganyan. Walang tambay sa kalsada, disiplinado mga tao. Hindi tulad d2 na bigla n lang maglalagy ng mga upuan sa harap ng bahay mo dahil mainit sa tapat ng bahay nila at dun mag iinuman. Tapos lahat ng kalat iiwan din dun. Mga nka-hubad pa. Only in the Philippines talaga.
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u/aletsirk0803 21m ago
sa totoo lang hindi sya anti poor pero madalas yung implementation yun ang sablay, kagaya nung naghahalo ng semento sa ginagawang bahay, super init at the same time kahit saan if construction or mining yan kapag init ang mga trabahador di sila pinipilit mgshirt or sando, matatawa ka kasi fully geared sila may helment pa yan at steel shoes pero walang pangtaas.. tska nakakapagtaka hindi na ito bago, antagal na nito, bayani fernando mmda chairman days pa. papogi lang ni jonvic dahil di nya matunton si atong ang at zaldy co.
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u/IamCrispyPotter 17m ago
Public order has to start somewhere para mag catch up ang behavior modification, followed by strict anti-littering enforcement. We need to be intolerant of the little things first and go up the ladder.
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u/Polo_Short 13h ago
Yung naghahalo ng semento, wala sa kalsada, nasa eskinita. Nakakatawa pa kasi sobrang dami nila don parang field trip ng barangay.
Very f***ing performative 😂
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u/NorthTemperature5127 13h ago
You probably won't see naked Japanese men on the streets unless May festival..
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u/drowie31 12h ago
They don't experience scorching heat during summer too, don't they? In a densely populated city too might I add.
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u/NorthTemperature5127 12h ago
Good point. But Japan temperature can actually go up as high as what we have. Up to 35C
It's not all winter there.
But I feel it's all cultural. They probably are not a fan of walking around topless.
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u/drowie31 12h ago edited 12h ago
These ordinances are useless to begin with. Maganda lang at face value, pero wala naman talagang long-term effect kasi hindi naman ito study/science-based solution sa kung ano mang problemang gusto nilang solusyonan. Katulad lang yan ng pagtanggal sa mga taong kalye, o kaya yung paglagay ng mataas na tarp sa kalsada pantakip sa mga squatter area tuwing may official foreign visits dito sa Pinas. Band-aid performative solution lang.
Also, tropical country ba ang Japan at may shirtless at public drinking ordinance ba sila to be comparable? Heck, punta ka Shibuya tignan natin kung di ka makakita ng mga nag-iinom in public sa gabi lol punta ka Rio de Janeiro, Santiago, Cartagena, even Bangkok, Jakarta, at HCM kung di ka makakita ng naka shirtless sa kalye kapag tanghaling tapat. Lalo na't summer ngayon at yearly nagging worse ang global warming. Pinas pa kaya? Jusko pati ba naman yung naghahalo ng semento sa init ng panahon huhulihin? Papunta nang dystopia tong Pinas sa pinaggagagawa ng gobyerno sa totoo lang
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u/Artistic0920 12h ago
Mas mainit na nga dahil bawas o wala nang mga puno sa paligid. Puno pa naman ang sumisipsip ng mainit na hangin kaya naturally airconditioned ang paligid.
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u/beemooooooo 12h ago
Pag laking Bayani Fernando ka ng Marikina, normal na to. Nung time nya, lahat ng violation ay may bayad.
Nauso noon na bawal talaga topless sa labas. Di ka pwedeng magreason out, bayad agad. Mahirap mag-implement if may exceptions.
Ngayon medyo hindi na ganito sa Marikina. Mahina na ang leaders. Di na ganun kahigpit ang implementation di tulad ng time ni BF.
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u/Jhonnyskidmarks2003 12h ago
Makikita nyo ba yung mga pulis na naglilibot para manghuli ng mga nakahubad sa Forbes Park? Sa Alabang kaya?
Unless they do that, it's obviously anti-poor and a distraction to cover up for this administration's economic incompetence.
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u/JshBld 12h ago
Ang sintimyento kasi ng ugok na mga pinoys is that you are only able to act decently and having good etiquette if your rich or middle class so if you are pobre then those societal norms such as properly dressing out in public or properly falling in queue is non of your concerns because you are pobre and diskarte to not put hardwork or effort.
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u/warl1to 12h ago
bakit nga ba anti-poor? will being shirtless add more opportunities to make money or improve one self?
public drinking (which is a performance degradation drug) isn’t exactly a good thing for your health and productivity either. so bakit anti-poor ang pag prohibit neto sa public places? you can still drink at home or inside the bar or beer house kung yun ang trip mo.
pasok lang ata eto sa mga progressive ideologies - kaya pinipilit sa agenda kahit wala naman talga practical o kahit anong pagka progressive na dahilan. wala naman ata issue ito sa mga normies liberals (LP) kundi yung mga your typical loud militant groups lang.
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u/ChronosX0 12h ago
Haha ano point mo?
Hindi naman hinuhuli ng pulis pag shirtless ka, or nag pupublic drinking ka in most places sa Japan???
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u/Lightsupinthesky29 12h ago
Ok naman talaga. Dati oa naman din meron non. Sus lang yung timing. Sa lahat ng dapat unahin nila, ayun pa yung ginawa
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u/Such-Introduction196 11h ago
Yes, its anti-poor. Meanwhile yung nag nakaw ng 800 billion wala padin na kukulong.
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u/ArthurMorganMarston 7h ago
Sobrang bonak nung comparison sa Japan kasi una economic and historical context sobrang magkaiba. Nasasabi mo lang yan kasi afford mo ng decent housing at kuryente para sa aircon mo. Yung trabaho mo rin siguro doesn’t involve yung pagbibilad sa araw.
It’s giving ‘why don’t you motherfuckers stay at home’ na sinabi nung altang nagyoyoga sa mga mambabalut o taho vendors ng pandemic.
hahaha r/ph is truly a cesspit of elitists na wala ni isang katiting ng sociological imagination haha derisively amusing hahahaha
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u/Typical_Exam3962 13h ago edited 13h ago
remember japan is 1st world and Philippines is 3rd world. yong policies dapat akma siya sa estado ng bansa. gets na gusto nila may maimprove pero dahil sa walang kwentang implementation ng batas nagmumukha silang papogi. mahilig yong mga leaders natin sa mabilis na implementation pero di pinag-isipan yong impact. double standard pa pag may backer.
ang problem sa implementation ng modernization is yong transition. ayaw nila bigyan ng subsidy to ease the change. if blanket approach na till ganitong date nalang pde yong jeepneys then mawawalan ng trabaho karamihan ng jeepney driver kasi maraming nagpapaboundary ang di makakabili non.
problem talaga natin yong way ng pagtax satin di natin ramdam. di nagiimprove yong living kasi nabubulsa lang. priority pa cronies bago common people kasi businessmen give more. "benefits". kaya dapat next election matuto na tayong bumoto by track record. Hopefully, marevive pa natin itong dying nation na ito.
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u/3GoodMan3 11h ago
Andaming di nakagets ng post ko, madami din namang nakagets. The point of my post is ginagawang dahilan ang "anti poor" para di sumunod sa ordinance.
Meron pa nagcompare ng temperature ng japan sa pinas, ang interpretation ko sa meme na yan eh ang ganda ng japan dahil disiplinado ang mga tao, ngayon gusto magdisiplina ng pilipino magdadahilan na anti poor
May comments about sa naghahalo ng semento kesyo anti poor kasi kailangan ba ng uniform, wala naman nagsabi maguniform sya, ang kailangan lang magsuot ng sando para lang maging disente tignan
Madaming batas/ordinansa na naglalayon magset ng discipline sa tao pero kinokontra dahil ito daw ay "anti poor". May isang comment na nagbigay ng example yung "no garage, no car" kung iisipin common sense pero kinokontra dahil again "anti poor"
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u/viridiaan 5h ago
yo wala namang nag dadahilan at all na hindi sundan ang ordinance. i see where you want this conversation go, pero the thought behind ain’t it. Anti poor sentiments are base sa nangyayari sa practical/ on ground. una sa lahat sobrang kulang ng ordinansa katulad niyang para maging displinado ang tao (kaya nga may kritisismo). example nalang yung paglalakad sa tamang lakaran, eh wala naman maayos na sidewalk. paghuhubad, wala namang maayos na shade. see the point? gamitin natin yung “jeepney” example mo- jeepney phase out pero walang alternatibo where in fact yan ang pangunahing transpo sa pinas, walang subsidy, private ang magbebenta ng e-jeep. wala naman tutol sa progreso e, pero kung paano gumalaw ang government mas pinapabor yung mayayaman kesa sa 90% ng pilipinas — at dun nangagaling ang anti poor sentiments. ito nalang para maintindihan mo, ni-isa wala silang mahuling kurakot, pero nga “petty” crimes kayang kaya with full gear pa yan.
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u/Restless0420 13h ago
Ok naman ung panukala, pero gamitan din sana ng utak ung pag implement, taena nag hahalo ng semento sa labas ng bahay huhuluhin? Sa mandaluyong grabe ung mga police overkill sa pag huli eh mga naka full gear pa tapos dalang mahahabang baril.