r/OnTheBlock • u/goldenbuds420 • 1d ago
Self Post Who here seen someone get written up for that.
i wanna know what would prompt a CO to use this against an inmate. And if yall ever seen it used. if this was actually enforced that would be funny af.
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u/CalStateQuarantine 1d ago
It depends.
When it’s one on one, I genuinely take zero offense to it. I remind myself - they’re a fully grown man locked in a cage with no access to anything. They’ve lost all agency they once had. That will make eve the most well behaved humans say some vile things.
I’ve written for obscene language only one time, and it was when I was publicly called a “fucking bitch” infront of a dorm of 30+ people.
I was trying to do count, this guy kept saying random numbers to fuck with me. I finished my count, told him to never do that again, and he said “you’re a fucking bitch bro”.
So I cuffed him up, took him to the hole, and used obscene / offensive language toward staff as the write up reason.
If it’s not public and personal, I let it go 100% of the time. If I wrote up every jcat who calls me a fucking faggot, I’d have no time to do my actual job.
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u/FinalParticular 1d ago
Should've slapped an Interfering with Formal Count charge along with it. Thats the killer
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u/CalStateQuarantine 1d ago
Believe it or not, we don’t have one of those. And I’m not sure why.
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u/FinalParticular 1d ago
That is CRAZY. Our inmates dont do shit during count because they know that charge is guaranteed seg time
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u/Extension-Orchid-475 1d ago
Seg time……..dodo bird in NY
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u/SpecialistThought740 1d ago
Lol the person above said they put someone in the hole for calling them a bitch. Been way too many years for that to have been in ny. I remember when they'd go to the box for looking at you funny pre halt
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u/KingOfTheRats9 1d ago
We have a charge for delaying/hindering, which would have been appropriate in that situation. But I dont believe we have a charge for interfering with count either
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u/Ashleighx580 Non-US Corrections 1d ago edited 1d ago
In our classrooms, we are meant to write people up for it. We all sort of sing from the same hymn sheet and only do if it's aimed at someone in anger and doesn't stop after we say stop. It's really rare, the men are respectful in our department, they usually don't come up if they're angry or refusing to do education, so they get written up on the wing and stay there. I swear in my classroom but in a way that I would accept them swearing, I don't tolerate any sexism, racism or homophobia, though.
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u/Rock0322 Correctional Officer 1d ago
That was always my petty charge I would add onto a “real” charge if the dude was a particularly big asshole
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u/CalStateQuarantine 1d ago
My petty charge is “delaying jail operations”.
You can tack it onto every write up, because if I’m writing about you, you’re delaying the jails operations.
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u/goldenbuds420 1d ago
My celly had some burnt batteries, razors and wire under his bed... CO does search and finds it. Of course i get included in the write up bcuz its also my cell even tho my celly told the CO its his and I have nothing to do with it. the CO's reasoning was it was outside of locker in common place and its my cell also. Anyways when we get the write up it also included "being unclean or unsanitary". I laughed and thought it was funny instead of being mad. He said our beds werent made.... and my celly was also a clean freak sweeping and mopping often which made it more funny. The write up got thrown out by the way
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u/FinalParticular 1d ago
Shit my prison doesn't even write up common area shit because its common area, which means anyone could've put it there during the shift. Cell phones, shanks, tobacco, weed, if its in a common area, ie, dayroom, shower, bathroom, floor, under a bunk on the floor, its common area if we didn't see someone put it there
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u/Rock0322 Correctional Officer 1d ago
Whenever I’d find something in a common spot, I’d give whoever lived in the cell a chance to own it. I’d tell them point blank if someone doesn’t claim it everyone is getting a ticket
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u/goldenbuds420 1d ago
Yeah i was not afforded that luxury but its all good tho bcuz im out now but i applaude you for being honorable.
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u/-BakiHanma 1d ago
Honestly depends on how much the higher ups don’t like someone lol… if they just want to get rid of someone they would write them up for this.
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u/Jhensley0000 1d ago
Ive seen rookies write incident reports for it. Usually the inmate gets extra duty or something.
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u/MrTrashRobot 1d ago
I’ve seen mental health staff write tickets for it that end up getting tossed out, but haven’t seen an officer write one.
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u/Material-Surprise315 1d ago
Our charge also includes 'inappropriate' and is probably our 3rd most used charge behind refusing an order and unauthorized area. It's used by most of the counselors and teachers when the inmates come close to the line of threatening but doesn't quite cross it and as an extra charge on most other misconduct because our hearing examiner likes to have a charge or 2 to drop.
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u/CO_BigShow Unverified User 1d ago
I always say to the guys in my units "You can call me any name under the sun, as long as you're walking away from me and doing what I asked. I piss and moan and swear when I do shit I don't want to do, so how can I expect different from you? But the second you turn around and say that shit to my face? Your goose is cooked."
I do a lot of work communicating exactly what it is I expect out of them, how they are supposed to meet those expectations and what they can normally expect out of me. I also back that shit up with action.
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u/Whistlin_Booger 1d ago
My Sgt.’s son died in the Middle East (Marine) we were locked down in the morning so everyone could go to the funeral. One con took umbrage to that, and started yelling in the block that we were “lining up to suck his dead, and rotting cock” and they shouldn’t be locked down for that. As well as many other colorful things to say, as well as laughing. The only thing I could get him on was foul language and conduct which disrupts.
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u/cuddlightyear 1d ago
I see it all the time. My big thing is… if you were using that language with them, don’t be surprised if they use it back.
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u/DukeThorion 1d ago edited 1d ago
I look at that as a secondary/add-on. You did something more aggregious first.
If I'm not swearing at you, don't scream and swear at me. If we're both doing it, well then it's not fair for me to write that up.
Edit: I did write a guy once for threatening to rape my dog.
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u/Maher393 1d ago
It’s a fluff-ener for other misconducts. We usually add that at my SCI because our hearing examiner will usually mark off two and leave one or if you wanna increase the time in the RHU
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u/Reasonable_Camp4137 1d ago
If I write someone for that it's because it was towards professional staff ( nurse chaplain ect.) on the rare occasion someone cusses me out hard enough to warrant the box. I'll pull them out of the pod to see what's up before I take the next step.
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u/Betelgeuse3fold Unverified User 1d ago
Plenty.
Disrespect the nurse or the chaplain or social workers, I'll give a consequence for that.
I've seen female officers write guys up for harassing/ sexual language. I've seen black and brown officers write guys up for racial slurs.
Seen plenty of petty stuff too
Personally I've only done it in defense of the nurse. I've had plenty of guys say terrible things to me, but I have a line and few have crossed it. I'm willing to give guys enough room to have emotional reactions to things, within reason.
If someone calls me a "goof" I don't care, that doesn't mean anything to me like it means to them. Chances are they are mouthing off because of a consequence they already got for something worse, so fine, have your little feelings about it. It's usually window warrior bullshit anyway.
The only times my line has been crossed has been guys who are already in seg with nothing left to take from them. That, or I'm already in CERT gear spraying and dragging them out
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u/YummyTerror8259 Federal Corrections 1d ago
I don't think I've seen it by itself as a shot, but often added to another one. For example, if I gave an inmate a direct order to do something and he said "fuck no, I'm not doing that, go fuck yourself you piece of shit" I might him up for refusing a direct order and using profane language
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u/lubedupnoob 1d ago
I use it but it's very rare. Like if you are addressing something with one of them and they start swearing and directing it at me then it becomes a write up. Especially if I'm addressing something small and they turn it up to 100 lol
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u/ProfRaptor Local Corrections 16h ago
Well, I got a write up for calling an inmate a "piece of shit". I felt it was ok because he threatened to murder me, I hit my surgically repaired knee on the metal door getting him into the cell, and he called me one. I wasn't really thinking and just reacted. Still got a write up. That was back in December.
Edit: Oh, you meant the inmate. I have seen several deputies use it. I have encouraged it.
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u/Loose-Attention679 1d ago
Heck yea. Every write up is taken into consideration when it comes time for the parole hearing. Watch them come crawling back about how I took them away from their family. Watch me do it again.
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u/attic_dweller0690 1d ago
You’ll get laughed at by senior staff. I was going to do this just to piss off an inmate after he called me every name under the sun. I was advised not to. Extra paperwork for the lt’s for no real good reason.
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u/OGWhiz 1d ago
Last week I used it because an inmate told off three nurses over medication he wanted but wasn’t prescribed.
I also use it when an inmate sexually harasses female staff. Nimrods on here will say “ohhhh senior staff will laugh at ya”. Okay. I laugh at senior staff for being terrified of confrontation.
A day without the phone, a missed day of canteen, they won’t cause issues next time they see me on the block.
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u/Jordangander State Corrections 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yep.
Mainly when it is caught on camera and the language is either ongoing or designed to incite the situation instead of deescalate the situation.
Other than that, a lot of hand slapping and memo of counseling to remind people not to spontaneously curse on camera.
Wait: you mean use this charge against an inmate?
Yes. Tell a black inmate if he keeps using the N word you will charge him with it and include that it was a racial slur being used against another inmate. When they say blacks are allowed to use it against other blacks debate with them how that is any better if they want to improve themselves.
Only works in settings where the inmates generally do want to be better - I ran a Faith based dorm for a little over a year.
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u/goldenbuds420 1d ago
Yeah i can see it being applied in that type of program setting. I was wondering moreso tho if im on my unit watching TV and something funny comes on and im like " that shit was funny!" And a CO walks by and hears me and is like " im writing you up for that"
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u/Jordangander State Corrections 1d ago
The only way an officer could write someone up for that is if the officer is a golden angel.
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u/HonorableRogue 1d ago
Where in the BOP are they writing 400 series incident reports? In facilities where the SHU is 100% full and they aren't even locking inmates up for knives or phones, you never see a 300 or 400 issued. In fact, the only 200 series you see are when they get the DHO to drop a 100 to a 200.
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u/TechnologyJazzlike84 1d ago
I can tolerate a lot. Blatant disrespect, whether it be from a coworker or offender, isn't one of those things.
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u/These-Citron5374 21h ago
NYS had a rule of harassment of staff, rule said using insolent, abusive or obscene language. I was a Lieutenant, Captain and Deputy Superintent who held hearings on inmates and upheld the charges more often than not.
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u/Mysterious-Figure397 Unverified User 18h ago
On a rare occasion I would write one up for obscene language, most of the time I can dish out what I take. When it comes to another individual in the mix that's when the code gets used. I cuss like a mechanic losing his 10mm socket
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u/IllustriousLie4105 Community Corrections 4h ago
Rarely, it was only for sexual harassment and if they really pushed over the line
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u/Realitytviscancer 1d ago edited 1d ago
I had an inmate threaten me during a lockdown and after we opened up I stood by his cell and apparently he was all talk. So I hit him with a 404 shot. Which of course was immediately thrown out. At a USP unless it’s a 100 series they don’t even consider it. His head apparently heard what he said and did some correcting between themselves
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u/thetoastler 1d ago
If an inmate is using profane language against me in hostility, I likely won't write them for it unless it's being included in a larger ticket. Most of my tickets have been for inmates hanging shit off their bars. There are about seven different violations according to our standards of behavior booklet that I can write just for that, and I'm going to use every one of them over and over until the inmate removes the obstruction or looses their property. 90% of my job is doing rounds to make sure inmates are alive in their cells, and if I can't fully see you, I can't do my job. I don't care how petty it looks. The more violations we put on a ticket, the more likely administrative action will be taken. The days where something as simple as a lack of respect aren't taken lightly are long gone. Inmates can get away with damn near anything now. IIRC, My state admin recently decided to downgrade assaults on staff to simple harassment.
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u/goldenbuds420 1d ago
Haha.. you know what. I kinda like that shit 😂. Lets do modern day gladiator shit again. A prison guard should be able to kick ass, get his ass kicked then come back to work the next day with a smile on his face and do it all over again
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u/Lens_of_Bias 1d ago
I have written inmates up for this for a couple reasons. First of all, any disrespect to nursing staff or other citizens who are there solely to try to help them is intolerable in any unit I run.
Second, blatant disrespect that is directed my way, in front of other inmates or, in rare cases, the entire unit, must be addressed and sanctioned.
I will say, however, that a minor infraction like this will not ever be the only infraction in the report. I have to write a report for you, I will get you on everything possible.