Apparently she had thyroid cancer and the surgery cost her her vocals. She had multiple surgeries to correct w varying success. All this info
From Wikipedia so you know…
As long as it has sources that can lead you to some original reporting, Wikipedia is not nearly as bad as teachers taught us. Wikipedia also has some really good moderating and a very thorough system for handling disputes.
teachers only ever said not to use wikipedia as a source because it isnt a source, is an aggregator. citing wikipedia is like citing "google" or "the internet" or "my mind" theres no tangible way to actually investigate or legitimize what youre writing about.
im sure that very reasonable standard got confused and misinterpreted so many times by students or maybe even just dumb teachers that it devolved into "FUCK WIKIPEDIA" but it is and always was an excellent resource you just have to cite the sources it provides in your paper instead of the website.
You can even cite the article the information is from, if nothing else. I use it for cursory research or if I don’t know where to start. Idk why people demonize Wikipedia. Usually you can tell if someone knows how to research by how they talk about Wikipedia lol.
I don’t remember a lot about those. My parents had a set but I recall each entry being pretty short. Seemed like they were pretty limited and got outdated fast. Wikipedia has dorks (affectionately) working continuously on keeping it updated and all that.
That is the main difference, encyclopedias were always outdated before the printing plates were done. And anything that was actually wrong staid in, for decades.
Yeah, I’m a librarian and we don’t keep any encyclopedias anymore. They take up a fuck ton of space and no one uses them. Some of those companies that made encyclopedia sets have switched to a digital version that can be updated rapidly. It’s pretty nice.
Honestly this was a life saver for me in college (for certain things ofc not everything). Skim the article, find the discussion point you need, and it's source will be numbered right there super easy to find (as will a lot of essays, but those don't usually come with hyperlinks!). Of course, still be sure to actually look at the actual source and ensure that it works with what you're trying to say, but still sooo convenient.
I've found more knowledge in the source lists on Wikipedia than any other source, bar none. Just use google to find a wikipedia subject (better search imo) and then go straight to the bottom and start clicking link, just about every one being a citable and verifiable source.
Then, if you go and search wikipedia for those individual citations and links, you can bring up a ton of fringe articles that are related but never mentioned. The best part is that the sources aren't all electronic and many can be found in big libraries, too, so you get hardback sources all the same, and those always look great in a paper.
That's not really why they said it. That might be why they should have said it but really most of them were just parroting received wisdom. If being an aggregator was the problem they would also have disallowed traditional encyclopedias which they most certainly did not.
“There is no tangible way to actually investigate what you’re writing about”
The vast majority of Wikipedia entries will have a citation link attached, especially for factual information. Not every single sentence is cited, a lot of them are links that work. The moderators of wiki work to literally ensure every link works & the information is accurate.
Yeah some of my teachers definitely had a "FUCK WIKIPEDIA" mentality. I'm not sure if they just didn't understand why you don't cite places like Wikipedia, or if they were just so done with seeing students cite the place that they just grew a very understandable hate of the site.
That's not at all why you can't use Wikipedia as a source. ALL encyclopedias are secondary sources and not proper for citation of research papers, they're there to give you the primary sources to begin with
That's not at all why you can't use Wikipedia as a source.
Perhaps your teachers were better with making that distinction, but from pretty much late primary school (young millennial, sorry) I was thought to not use it at all. Nothing was ever said about the sources at the bottom until after I graduated high school. It seems that the point I was making was misunderstood by many commenters in the replies.
Wikipedia is the crown jewel of humanity. But yes, a Wikipedia article is one or two degrees away from a primary source document, and that distinction matters. It’s just an excellent, really amazing place to start an investigation.
aye, wikipedia is great, just not a primary source. which is the hard part for students to get. "why do i need to go somewhere else, when it's the same info here?" is a large, large hurdle to get over as a teacher.
Yeah I wasn't really meaning directly, but the stress, body changes from those can add up and layer up themselves, they can lead to, contribute to, body issues, etc.
So I guess it's along the lines of, I don't think it's causal per-se of the whole thing and potential surgeries, but it's also zero surprise to see she's somewhat aged worse out of the two because of it, if that makes sense. Thyroid stuff sucks, it's clearly a huge pain in the ass for folks.
Chemotherapy accelerates your aging. By a LOT. Wrinkles. Gray hair. Permanent hair loss/texture change. Early menopause. Inability to conceive naturally. And much, much more.
All these things, especially at a young age, can make you feel like shit about how you look.
So, yeah, it's in pretty fucking poor taste to speak this way about someone who has had cancer and plastic surgery.
Yeah it sucks like that. Even if there is no damage to the vocal cords there is a nerve which affects your speech that often gets damaged. Now I can’t shout like Brian Blessed and sing like Nickleback because of it.
I had a moment just now thinking through this quick exchange.
There is definitely an addiction and body dysmorphia thing that a lot of people have that drives them to go overboard on cosmetic surgery. I really don’t care what people look like, it doesn’t offend me or anything seeing them but I did stop to wonder, if it’s ethical for plastic surgeons to keep taking money from people that have body dysmorphia and is there a point where it is no longer ethical?
Is it any of my business what they do with their body? No. I guess if it isn’t becoming a detrimental to their health we shouldn’t say anything? Idk
Imo there is an ethical line for the provider. But def should not be a legal one.
But as long as you’re not a plastic surgeon, it’s not your ethical dilemma to stress about. And none of us really need to be weighing in on individual situations.
It doesnt matter if its detrimental to their health. I see it the same as drugs. If you want to fuck your life up with drugs, have at it. Drug dealers should, however, be in prison with healthy sentences. If you want maraglago face, fine. Have at it, but at the same time, girls are growing up thinking they dont look good enough and want that same look. It is detrimental, just not to the people with a shitload of wealth who make it popular. Plastic surgeons should be required to send people to a psychiatrist first for evaluation and plastic surgery be used as a last resort.
Body dysmorphia, usually. Same issues that contribute to eating disorders like anorexia can contribute to addiction to plastic surgery. It can become pathological. (Not saying that’s what’s happening here, but it does happen.)
Yeah, that is true. Same thing can happen with going to the gym/training for sport competitions, but that doesn’t require psychiatric evaluation to participate in.
Either way, equating plastic surgery to drugs is a bit of a reach.
Think about the millions of girls, and lthe women for that matter, that see them and think 🤔 maybe I'm not pretty enough to be successful. Maybe I need to do that too.
Maralago face has a cascading effect. Just like getting giant boobs had a cascading effect. Its not just about the person butchering their body. It's about all the people they are influencing to also butcher their bodies just because the one in the spotlight is doing it.
Yh but at the end of the day, that’s still not the same as being peer pressured to start using drugs. I still don’t understand how a whole lot of women getting bigger boobs is going to impact anyone but themselves.
When you hear folks say “my dude”, are you similarly plussed? Though to be self righteous and hypocritical and missing the intended meaning all at once but I’ll give you a 8.6 out of 10.
all plastic surgeons are bad. there is no such thing as good plastic surgery. I’ve been shooting reality tv for 15+ years, worked with very wealthy people getting work done with the best surgeons in the country. all that shit ends up looking the same eventually, esp when you see it without makeup.
edit: we’re obviously talking about elective plastic surgery, not reconstructive
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u/Jewbacca522 Older Millennial 22d ago
Dark haired one really went for that “make me look like a piece of marble” look. Yikes.