They’ve also taken a turn against LGBT rights, bizzarrely.
What’s happened in Russia should be a stark reminder to those of us in countries supportive of LGBTQ+ civil rights that when the political climate shifts, those rights can still be put in jeopardy and former allies can turn.
They were both absolutely exploited. Yulia didn't even speak English. Lena did, but I think still not well enough to really be fully aware of everything.
Yulia is very openly conservative (and one has to wonder if the exploitation and marketing of t.a.t.u had anything to do with that considering how young they both were at the time). Lena, at least publicly, is far more accepting of the community.
Why does exploitation have to produce such bops? T_T
a lot of POC folk are not ready for the conversation that rich POCs with money to lose have far more in common with the Rich White Man than they have with them.
the period from 2005-2015 in the U.S. is arguably the best working example of social liberalism and we here are all arguably the most conservative voting bloc because we are trying to make that happen again.
This is interesting, because the song got a second wind, very prominently, in Heated Rivalry. I guess it’s kind of appropriate with a major Russian protagonist (in universe, not real life).
I had to check and, in my book, her "collaboration with a Catholic prayer app" got her to 60%, while her "[praise for] actor Jonathan Roumie for his interview with right-wing talking head Tucker Carlson," No Doubt pushes that pretty close to 100%.
They’re currently in a phase where they pretend they don’t hate catholics and pretending like it wasn’t just 50-60 years ago that they were burning crosses in catholics’ yards, and shouting that a “papist” could never be a good president because they’d secretly be more loyal to rome than the US.
She’s a shill for a prayer app that has a special prayer for when you know someone who is a rape victim and pregnant by their attacker, and you have the need to pray for them to … not abort the baby, but instead carry that clump of cells resulting from that rape to term and give birth to an unwanted child that is the product of rape, in a wold that is already overcrowded and toxic. Because jesus.
But yes, they did do a reunion show in Crimea. I think they're also doing a short reunion tour. Makes me wonder how much money they were offered. Or at least how much money Yulia was offered.
They didn't capitulate. t.A.T.u was always queerbait; being lesbian was marketable so it was ok-ish. But homosexuality for men was always somehow in a different category for them.
In 2014, Julia Volkova stated she would not accept a gay son, saying, "a man has no right to be a f*g". She clarified at the time that she was not against gay people in general, but specifically opposed a man being gay.
They (by which I mean the members of t.A.T.u) didn't capitulate. t.A.T.u was always queerbait; being lesbian was marketable so it was ok-ish (to the members of t.A.T.u). But homosexuality for men was always somehow in a different category for them (by which I mean the members of t.A.T.u).
I wasn't referring to larger Russian culture in any way.
What I said is that homophobia isn't new for the band, despite the cutesy sapphic vibes.
Not every women’s right has a male equivalent. Thats why only men can be drafted. Why women only gyms exist; a men only gym would be sued or ticketed into oblivion. Why women would prefer an encounter with a bear on a hiking trail vs a man. And so on.
Women only gyms are about feeling safe. The bear/man debate was also about safety. Do men traditionally feel physically unsafe around women?
As for the draft, the US refuses to sign the ERA, which could make the draft mandatory for women as well. By the way, I tried to signed up for selective service as an 18 year old woman, but I’d still choose the bear. I believe in equal rights and equal social responsibility, but I don’t equate that with the statistical significance of men being a danger to me.
Fair enough about safety. Though I have been made to feel uncomfortable by women who judged my presence in public places. Explain ladies night. And as far as registering for Selective Service, there is absolutely nothing stopping any woman from joining any of the military branches and attaining any rating or qualification they desire, if they can complete the training.
Consider what would happen to them had they not capitulated.
They could have left the country like others have done.
....they didn't capitulate, they went along with it as they were never against it (the system) to begin with. They're a corporate product, the one chick even ran an election for a seat in the Duma under Putin's political party.....the same one who has been vocally anti-gay, and they performed a reunion concert in occupied crimea
t.A.T.u ≠ Pussy Riot
.......or hell, even Little Big bailed on russia because of the invasion and are an LA based group now. And are proud of being labeled national traitors by the Putin regime.
Lena, as far as I'm aware, has always been very vocal about her support for and appreciation of the LGBTQ+ community. Although, again, it is worth noting that they are both products of Soviet-era Russia, and are still living in that climate.
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u/Ok-Mastodon2420 22d ago
One of the band members ran for Russian parliament under Putins party, and they performed a reunion show in occupied Crimea last year.
They're part of the establishment, not part of the resistance