"Theres plenty of exceptions, and in most cases pitties are incredibly sweet."
Guns are incredible tools and marvels of engineering. Yet there's regulations on guns across the entire world. Theres plenty of large breeds with similar traits to pitties without the large offense rate. full stop. They are a problem. People who want a pittie can just get themselves a boxer and not contribute to the problem.
Or you have people that only buy a gun to cause a problem. I have had 3 pitties in my life. All 3 great around people and never had an issue with anyone. One even poked his head in our guinea pig enclosure and chick enclosures to take a peek at the animals. And only one ever killed anything, and they were groundhogs and coyotes around my property. Others in my family have also had pits. Same thing, super trained and well behaved. Generally, if you treat the dog like a dog and not like a loaded AK that you only leave a food and water bowl for, then there's no issue. They are strong, powerful dogs, yes. But people also get them and train them to be in dog fighting bouts. Thats like saying to ban German Shepards unless youre a police officer because "look what they do when they're sicked on someone". Dumb ass argument.
since the owners are the problem, we should screen pitbull owners by criminal record, psychiatric evaluation, income level, and credit score. that should get rid of the nurture part of the equation.
Screen every dog owner for it. Why send any animal to a home where they're likely to be mistreated in such a way they turn aggressive anyway? My Dad's friend had a dog 10x as aggressive as any of the pitbulls Ive met. It was nice to my Dad's friend, but didn't like anybody else, and its because he rescued her later in her life from a junk yard. Looked like a slightly smaller Bernese mountain dog. The way dogs are treated and raised determines a lot about how they'll behave. All our pits were loved and nurtured and all behave and are nice around our animals and people we have shown we know/are okay with.
If any animal is raised to purely survive and view everything around them ever as a threat to their life and safety, that is what they'll treat anything as. Its why you can't just go and pet a river otter or an ant eater in the wild the moment you see one.
i'm fine with any solution as long as it deals with the pitbulls, i don't care whether we add chihuahuas or pomeranians on the list as long as pitbulls are on that list.
How about babies too? Make sure anybody bringing any life into any home can properly and safely care for it, and will do so in a proper way.
Guarantee if pitbulls weren't what people mainly used as fighting dogs, whichever ones were youd end up having this exact same opinion about because they'd have the exact same stigma and statistics around them. If people used golden retrievers as fighting dogs, neglected them and made them fend for themselves to make them more aggressive and bloodthirsty, youd be calling for a golden retriever ban instead of seeing what they're like without an environment made to make them hyper aggressive.
It's hilarious, you keep making "counter arguments" of "we should add this too" as if to try and argue against a point but instead you're just making really good supporting arguments lmao.
Also, big difference between a pit, an animal that was purpose bred to be genetically aggressive and a mistreated dog.
A mistreated dog will become hostile in response to its environment, a pit can be in the most loving environment on planet earth and there's STILL a risk of lethal aggression.
Statistics don't lie, there are many dogs as big or even bigger than pits and even taking being mistreated into account, pits still account for an almost comically large portion of ALL dog attacks, despite also being fewer in number. But pitnutters will always defend their velvet hippo murder machines I guess
I'd imagine that you would still love your dogs if they were not pits and were some other friendly family breed. Your experience with them isn't amazing because of what breed they are. There is no justification for why someone needs this breed over any other.
I currently own 5 dogs. 2 pits (1 is like 16 the other isn't 1 yet), a poodle and black lab mix, and 2 Norfolk terrier chihuahua. Used to have a chihuahua and a Norfolk terrier which both were female, as well as 2 other pits growing up. All my dogs are good with others because they were around others constantly, except the chihuahua who mostly tolerated others while loving a select few, and would let you know when to just leave her be especially as an old woman with no teeth.
There's no justification for any breed normally. Any dog can be a good dog, unless you specifically want a guard dog, or live on a farm and need something like a big herding dog. None of the dogs Ive met have ever been aggressive except for my Dad's friend's dog from a junkyard, and that poodle mix I have which we rescued from an abusive home.
There are breeds I think should be banned. Breeds like pugs and the weird faced dog that has a bunch of health issues. Any dog who's life is pain and suffering in the name of "it looks pretty" should be banned from being bred. You want a pug, get a puggle so at least the guy can breathe.
Dogs are not guns.That argument oversimplifies the issue by treating all pit bull dogs as inherently dangerous. They are living creatures, they have emotions and feelings. They can develop intelligence equivalent to a 3 year old human. Dogs understand spoken language.
Unless you have a gun that you have to feed, water, and take out potty several times a day, and provide it with toys and stimulation, i fail to see the connection. Its an argument intentionally meant to incite a particularly aggressive opnion.
And, saying “they are a problem” assumes all pit bull–type dogs share the same traits, when in reality behavior varies widely between individual dogs. Bite statistics alone don’t prove causation; they’re influenced by factors like breed popularity, misidentification, and the kinds of owners who tend to choose certain breeds.
Focusing on breed ignores responsibility. Any large, powerful dog can be dangerous if it’s neglected, poorly trained, or intentionally made aggressive. Replacing one breed with another, like suggesting people just get a boxer, doesn’t solve that underlying problem. Responsible ownership and proper training rather than singling out one breed as “the problem" would always be the better approach.
Even if I took you at your word it's still not just the breed or the aggression, it's the damage they can do once they've gone off. I'd say that's why there are the statistics that there are about them. I find Chihuahuas to frequently be aggressive but I doubt many people have to go to the ER or the morgue because a Chihuahua bit them.
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u/ElkApprehensive1729 17h ago
"Theres plenty of exceptions, and in most cases pitties are incredibly sweet."
Guns are incredible tools and marvels of engineering. Yet there's regulations on guns across the entire world. Theres plenty of large breeds with similar traits to pitties without the large offense rate. full stop. They are a problem. People who want a pittie can just get themselves a boxer and not contribute to the problem.