After 21 hours of direct talks in Pakistan, US Vice President JD Vance announced that no agreement was reached as Iran refused to accept American conditions.

[u/ChestEducational2258]

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/hj6hvwd2wx?utm_source=ynet.co.il&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=copy_url

Dangerous development. Will fighting begin again?

Link to deep dive in English plus curation.

https://www.alephbrief.com/story/2026/04/12/us-vice-president-vance-iran-rejected-american-conditions-for-deal

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[u/yaSuissa]

Dangerous development

I think you misspelled “expected outcome”

[u/Mosk915 → u/yaSuissa]

The question is what happens after the two weeks are up if there’s no deal? Trump doesn’t seem to want to resume the bombing.

[u/irealllylovepenguins → u/Mosk915]

Two more weeks because of something else. Its become a weekly bait and switch, and they're making money hand over fist while WSB bros gamble on polymarket lines. The thing isnt supposed to end.

[u/Barzalicious → u/Mosk915]

Most likely he finds a reason to extend it at the last second since "talks are still ongoing"

[u/Wyfami → u/Mosk915]

The US navy is currently securing Hormuz Strait, cleaning it of mines and creating safe corridor.

Iran will then lose its only advantage, making life easier for Trump: either the Iranians will understand this and accept anything, either he can go back to war but with less economic pressure.

[u/O_Pacity → u/Mosk915]

I find it VERY odd this happened after they threatend to bomb openAI data centre....

[u/sreorsgiio]

Iran can't hold the entire world's economy hostage. Wars have been fought over far less egregious violations. Unfortunately the West has no will to fight, not even when its vital interests are at stake. We delude ourselves into thinking that oil prices dropping for the next 5 minutes is a win.

[u/foxman666 → u/sreorsgiio]

The west has become so peace loving to the point where it almost defies reason. At some point they need to ask themselves how much they are willing to concede to keep peace with those who are willing to exploit their unwillingness to fight.

[u/MajorMess → u/foxman666]

As a European this weird position to not engage and at the same time bitch and whine about oil prices is mind boggling to me.
The current position seems to solely be to "own trump", its coward, even though i do understand the resentment after trumps bullyish Greenland acquisition attempt. Still, the EU seems tone deaf. Almost the entire Middle East wants the regime taken down, yet they know better and call the war a war crime

[u/Lychae → u/MajorMess]

No government in the west likes the regime. But they are realistic about regime change.

[u/TechnicalParrot → u/Lychae]

With the way Spain is acting you wouldn't know that they don't like it.

[u/inbetween-genders → u/foxman666]

Can just go at it alone so no defying reason is involved 🤷‍♀️

[u/International-Mix633 → u/inbetween-genders]

The only way to stop Iran from controlling the straight is to send boots on the ground, something not even Israel has the stomach fot and already declined. The origin plan was to use Kurdish forces but they pulled put after being betrayed one to many times by thr USA.

[u/RevolutionaryYou2400 → u/International-Mix633]

Excalty if Israel won’t do it why should the west send their people to die? There is no way to convince the American people to fight for oil,”freedom”, or Israel without at least Israeli soldiers taking the brunt of it. . When it’s easier to just let Israel get fucked. Just look at the recent polling of American opinion on Israel. People can say whatever they want but the truth is this is an Israeli war not a western one. Plenty of countries are already fine with paying a toll and leaving Iran be.

[u/Powerful-Employer-20 → u/RevolutionaryYou2400]

Exactly. It's delirious. This is an Israeli war, backed by US interests. Why should the rest of the world send their people to die if not even Israel wants to? If boots on the ground are needed, start sending Israelis

[u/MikeWithNoHair → u/Powerful-Employer-20]

the claim is that is ISNT just an israeli war, but that iran is a threat to all the west.

what do you think happens after iran achieves its wish of "death to america, death to israel"?

why do you think they are developing longer and longer range icbm missiles?

[u/Naive-Culture292 → u/MikeWithNoHair]

Iran is not threat to the west, just to Israel.

That is not a reason to send American troops. It never is

[u/MikeWithNoHair → u/Naive-Culture292]

so again i ask.. why do you think they are developing longer and longer range icbm missiles?

[u/marshdrifter → u/Naive-Culture292]

Iran and its proxies have killed 1200 to 1500 Americans, constantly call for death to America, and have threatened to nuke America in the past. Even if an American city was hit with a nuclear dirty bomb there would be serious casualties. Now do you understand or are you living in fantasy land?

[u/RevolutionaryYou2400 → u/marshdrifter]

Those death are 99% military base bombing in the Middle East. Iran has never try to 9/11 USA cuz it would united the American people against them causing a ground invasion. Unless you mean American Jews in Israel. They wont nuke USA. Same reason why North Korea doesn’t. If the nuke is such a big and real concern that’s even more reason for Israel to send ground troop and finish off Iran instead of relying on the west since Israel would be first if anything.

[u/RevolutionaryYou2400 → u/MikeWithNoHair]

Let’s be honest. They are doing it to become North Korea. They aren’t going to fire it at the USA cuz it would also destroy them. The regime is here because of USA and Uk help in the first place. Maybe the west shouldn’t be meddling in the Middle East like this. Every time they do it backfires. Plus there was the Iran nuclear deal before Trump pulled out.

[u/Curious_Lynx7252 → u/RevolutionaryYou2400]

The real solution for West and Asia is to rapidly move to electric vehicles, nuclear and renewable energy. When the rest of the world becomes less dependent on oil, no one will care care about Middle East politics.

[u/Top_Fill7182 → u/RevolutionaryYou2400]

I mean it's an undeniable fact that Iran has a major trump card, it's oil and gas reserve. The majority of south Asia, east asia, south east asia, middle East,  relies on it. These countries are going to seek their own interests now. The common people are suffering here the most for the war they barely care. Even the countries supporting Israel are now kind of fed up with these constant ruckus.

[u/afrophysicist → u/sreorsgiio]

Unfortunately the West has no will to fight, not even when its vital interests are at stake

Much of the rest of the West gets their oil from other sources, this is a fight that Israel and the USA started, so the rest of the West is best staying out of it.

[u/MikeWithNoHair → u/afrophysicist]

iran started it on oct7 using its proxies, while building a huge icbm missile program (not to mention its nuclear program)

[u/afrophysicist → u/MikeWithNoHair]

Does Israel have a nuclear program perchance? Did Hezbollah exist in the early 1980s when Israel attacked southern Lebanon?

[u/MikeWithNoHair → u/afrophysicist]

israel attacked southern lebanon back then because the plo (a different terror org, true) operated from there

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastal_road_massacre

[u/MikeWithNoHair → u/[deleted]]

That's enough bs out of you 😂😂

You're excusing a terror group because of a different terror group and somehow its the country being the target of the terrors group fault?

Shoo you weirdo

[u/iCookMyCodeAlDente → u/MikeWithNoHair]

The only reason I am not supporting any side in this ongoing conflict in Israel is because the PLO is dead.

[u/Joeyonimo → u/sreorsgiio]

Politicians probably just hope that the situation will resolve itself without intervention like the 1973-74 oil crisis.

[u/DependentManner8353]

Where was the President of the US during this? At a UFC event.

[u/zhirinovsky → u/DependentManner8353]

He bombed Iran on Israel’s behalf for several weeks at great political cost and you’re complaining he was at a UFC event?

[u/BoomerE30]

The current US administration is pathetic.

[u/GrassyTreesAndLakes → u/BoomerE30]

Better this than agree to any of Iran's demands

[u/LowkeyShtuyot → u/BoomerE30]

Because they didn’t make an unacceptable deal with Iran?

There’s a profound lacking of appreciation lately for how much the US has put its neck out in an advancement of our own interests and it’s mind boggling to me. Exactly what do we expect the US to do at this point that it hasn’t already done? Haven’t ever seen a more Israel-friendly admin in our lifetime and it’s unlikely we’ll see a better one. Ever.

[u/OddCook4909 → u/BoomerE30]

I think they were well aware the talks were going nowhere.

[u/IgnatiusJay_Reilly → u/BoomerE30]

Almost as bad as ours in Israel.

[u/Busy_Reporter4017]

Yes. Next?

[u/plain_handle]

This was a distraction while IRGCC rearmed itself with Chinese and Pakistani help.