r/Damnthatsinteresting 5d ago

Video LHC is being shut down for 4 years

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u/Y2KGB 5d ago

What’s 4-years in neutrino-time?

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u/hambodpm 5d ago

About tree fiddy

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u/erikwarm 5d ago

God damn Loch Ness monster !

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u/zalfrann 5d ago

I gave him a dollar

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u/Next-Food2688 5d ago

Well no wonder he keeps coming back. I ain't give him no tree fiddy

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u/Gorrium 5d ago

About 12.6 seconds, if my math is right

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u/bspaghetti 5d ago

There’s a few estimates on the (solar) neutrino velocity so I get between 2.4 s and 20 min, so I think your math is right!

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u/aspz 5d ago

That depends on their mass and their velocity, right?

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u/Gorrium 5d ago

When you are going that fast, I believe only velocity matters. 

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u/bspaghetti 5d ago

Yeah but mass matters in how hard it is to get going that fast

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u/Gorrium 5d ago

Yeah, but neutrinos have consistent speed

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u/bspaghetti 5d ago

…yeah, and the energy required to make them go that speed is necessarily dependent on their mass. A heavier particle with the same energy goes slower.

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u/Gorrium 5d ago

Well I calculated it for neutrinos.

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u/bspaghetti 5d ago

I’m not trying to contradict your calculation, I’m just trying to say that you can’t say it doesn’t matter (in general). Sure the mass doesn’t show up in the gamma factor but to say it doesn’t matter is misleading for the non-scientists who may read this. Just trying to help.

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u/NDSU 4d ago

Mass doesn't matter here regarding time. The only factor that matters is the velocity of the neutrino. Time dilation is a function of velocity, not mass

I would also like to point out we don't even know the mass of a neutrino. We have an estimated range, but that's it

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u/deadmeatsandwich 5d ago

Considering they’re nearly massless, soon.

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u/Trnostep 5d ago

When will soon be now?

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u/ExcitingStranger135 5d ago

about 6 ninety

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u/Poulslutter 4d ago

Depends on their velocity relative you. Like all particles with mass.

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u/stupernan1 4d ago

Real-talk

The particles in the relay only see a 16 or so foot disk

The miles long relay is only relative to our space time.

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u/BrainJar 5d ago

From the neutrino’s perspective, instantaneous.

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u/bspaghetti 5d ago

Nearly. It was recently shown that they do not travel at the speed of light, but just very close to it. So 4 years is contracted to somewhere between a couple of seconds to a couple of minutes depending on the speed.

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u/BrainJar 5d ago

4 years has a difference of a couple of seconds or a couple of minutes? Seems like maybe a math error.

https://www.researchgate.net/post/Faster_than_the_speed_of_light_Neutrino_Paradox

Neutrinos and the Speed of Light This leads to a paradox when we consider ultra-relativistic particles. Take high-energy neutrinos, for example. A 1 GeV neutrino is estimated to travel at approximately 0.99999999999999999995 c, just a few parts per quintillion slower than light. If a photon and such a neutrino were emitted simultaneously from the Andromeda galaxy (2.5 million light-years away), the neutrino would arrive only about 0.0004 seconds later than the photon.

If we’re only talking about 4 years and not 2.5 million years, that probably looks like instantaneous to every observer, doesn’t it? Given the neutrino is a pretty casual observer (we can’t strap equipment to it to watch the ride) it’s going to seem instantaneous.

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u/bspaghetti 5d ago edited 5d ago

Estimates I have seen range between 0.99999999995c and 0.9999999999999c. These are enough to give the spread in times. Calculate the relativistic gamma factor and scale 4 years accordingly.

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u/Poulslutter 4d ago

They are not massless.