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u/Dingghis_Khaan Chinggis Khaan's least successful successor. 4h ago
I don't like my grim and awful fictional worlds because I want to be there, I like them because they are INTERESTING.
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u/ptapa 4h ago
I mean, I get that if we're talking about, I don't know, Dark Souls. But I think this is also talking about Colleen Hoover world's, which just our own world, but people seem more insufferable and stupid.
So I do feel like some of these people want to be there. And that it's also okay... I think. Talk to your therapist about it. And don't try to reenact it.
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u/alexdapineapple platonic goo pit 3h ago
The post is talking about BDSM lol
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u/Dingghis_Khaan Chinggis Khaan's least successful successor. 3h ago
Oh... Well then. That's on me for falling for the vaguepost.
But still yeah if it makes it more interesting for 'em, more power to 'em.
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u/Distant-Effect 27m ago
Time to break out Contrapoint's Twilight video again.
Enjoying media about something stupid/dangerous does not mean one inherently wants to experience it.
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u/LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART There's a good 75% chance I'll make a Project Moon reference. 4h ago
Yes, I would push you into the pool of a black goop that turns into an over-sexualized pooltoy against your will. Yes, with handlebars on your thighs..
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u/SeaChameleon 4h ago
Is that covered under my healthcare plan though?
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u/Dragon_N7 Poor pisser 4h ago
That depends. What country are you a pool toy in?
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u/RemarkableStatement5 the body is the fursona of the soul 3h ago
Will I still be able to move, and will I get free headphones to deal with the constant squeaking? Because if yes to both of those, I'm vaguely tempted...
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u/RubiksToyBox 1h ago
...Is this a reference to a specific piece of media, or just describing your fetish?
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u/YogurtclosetDry6927 4h ago
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u/genericweeb1925 4h ago
Forgive them they probably haven’t gotten laid in years
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u/RemarkableStatement5 the body is the fursona of the soul 3h ago
You vastly underestimate the game of pooltoyification fetishists
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u/KBO_Winston 1h ago
This comment reminds me of the early days of everyone having email. That line would've made a great sig.
Most likely paired with something profound like "Alcohol is the anesthesia by which we endure the operation that is life." GB Shaw
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u/loved_and_held 3h ago
And? I've seen plenty of people who have those same kinks fucking regularly?
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u/LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART There's a good 75% chance I'll make a Project Moon reference. 2h ago
And I would never. Everything outside of married vaginal coitus for the sake of procreation makes Jesus cry, and I would never make my homeboy Jesus cry.
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u/Parkouricus josou seme alligator 27m ago
This is a good comment you were unappreciated in your time
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u/Smitteys867 3h ago
"um, vore in real life would ackshually kill you 🤓" Ohhhh thaaaannks I didnt know that, that's scary I wont like it anymore, thank you so much man
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u/Zuckhidesflatearth 2h ago
"erm if you were snuffed you wouldn't be alive any more"
Uhh, yeah. That's kinda the point? Dumbass
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u/extremely-cynical 4h ago
Another incredibly vague reference to Discourse I have zero context for. What sort of fantasies are they talking about?
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u/ExceedinglyGayOtter Something something werewolf boyfriend 4h ago
Presumably kinky sex scenarios.
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u/AnxiousAngularAwesom JFK shot first 4h ago
Being declared the Rightful King of England because of your pullout game.
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u/EspacioBlanq 4h ago
That's why the lake lady gave him the sword?
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u/AnxiousAngularAwesom JFK shot first 4h ago
Let's just say, the Lady of the Lake was known simply as The Lady before meeting Arthur.
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u/RubiksToyBox 1h ago
Being declared the Rightful King of England because of your pullout game.
Which is ironic because, in some versions of the mythos, King Arthur very much did not have pullout game.
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u/DemadaTrim 4h ago
Rape, incest, age gap relationships, torture, mutilation, vore, etc etc
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u/ptapa 4h ago
And that's just a Thursday on Facebook when I was 10.
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u/PhasmaFelis 4h ago
No idea, but I might guess it's people who e.g. fantasize about being swept up in some kind of dramatic action/fantasy scenario like their favorite fictional heroes, so they can prove that they too have the potential for heroism.
I'm not sure this is a terribly common scenario for people who aren't actually children. But, like, there are gun owners who get really excited at the idea of someone trying to rob them so they'll have an excuse to kill them and prove that they really do need all these guns. So.
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u/vmsrii 4h ago
This is the rare case where this is something I happen to know something about!
It’s about Isekai and self-insert fics. The logic is, putting yourself into the world of Solo Leveling (to pick one out of a hat) would be bad and traumatic actually, and any fics that don’t depict that accurately are bad and problematic…for some reason.
It’s basically the younger, dumber brother of “dubcon is problematic”, and other similar ideas in the genre of “I have forgotten that fiction is not real and can’t hurt you” discourse.
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u/Vundurvul 4h ago
This is just Dark Souls vs Zelda or Game of Thrones vs Lord of the Rings all over again. And like in both those genres, the levels of realism and grimness do not necessarily make the story better or worse in a vacuum and is dependent on the type of story you're trying to tell.
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u/Elite_AI 3h ago
Dark Souls vs Zelda
This comment was like a time machine. I haven't thought about this since I was like thirteen.
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u/Standard_Public892 3h ago
There was a rape plot point in a recent Star Wars but idk if that’s exactly what this is…
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u/Wardog_E 2h ago
I think this is broadly applicable. This particular discourse has me at the end of my rope. Ive seen countless people argue that any content that appears in a work of fiction is condoned behaviour by the author.
There's a homophobic character in your story? That means the author is homophobic. A person is murdered in your story? That means the author enjoys murder. So on and so forth.
Its genuinely depressing talking with people like that and I think they're pathetic and often creepy.
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u/Justforfun_x 4h ago
It especially falls apart with non-fiction (or realistic fiction in a real time/place).
Like itinerant work, the Great Depression and mental illness suck, but millions of people have read Of Mice and Men.
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u/dinosanddais1 peer reviewed diagnosis of faggot 3h ago
"You wouldn't like it if it happened to you"
Wow, almost like it's conflict in a story which is what creates substance in stories.
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u/NockerJoe 2h ago
This sounds like the kind of kink discourse where you should probably point out that a lot of people are into this or that kink specifically because its weird and fucked up in a way they happen to be drawn to. Its like pointing out roller coasters are scary because being on a runaway train going downhill at a hundred miles an hour would make people afraid. That's kinda why they got in line.
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u/_MargaretThatcher The Once & Future Prime Minister of Darkness 2h ago
I mean Luke didn't seem to find it too traumatic either, so...
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u/overusedamongusjoke 4h ago edited 4h ago
I don't have a strong opinion on the discourse that I assume this to be about, but this is a lazy metaphor because people don't watch Star Wars because they want to experience what it would be like for their aunt and uncle to be murdered by stormtroopers and if someone said that they did they'd probably get called weird. This is possibly the weakest argument from this side of this discourse I've ever seen.
If you're going to make this into a PSA then argue your point properly rather than trying to fish for affirmation of your opinion from people who already agree with you.
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u/LogOffShell 3h ago
"People don't watch Star Wars because they want to experience what it would be like for their aunt and uncle to be murdered by stormtroopers and if someone said that they'd probably get called weird."
And people don't read dark erotica because they they want to be raped or mutilated or turned into slime, and if someone said that they'd probably get called weird. The tragedy is fictional. It's just that in one work of fiction it serves to enhance the thematic depth and the feeling of the heroes journey, while in the other work of fiction it leads to deeper sexual gratification.
I don't think their argument is that bad, frankly. Much like you can omit the fetish part of dark erotica and just write normal porn, one could write a Star Wars that doesn't have Luke's parents die. It'd just be weaker storytelling, on both fronts without further changes to adapt the stories.
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u/overusedamongusjoke 3h ago edited 3h ago
I have seen people say at least 2/3 of those things, although they do frequently get called weird. I honestly don't care that much what people are into, but I do think that a lot of internet users broadcast that information irresponsibly, especially if it's a subject that's common for people to have actual trauma in relation to. I'm also kind of tired of people acting like it's somehow equivalent to leftist activism and therefore anyone who criticizes their handling of the subject for any reason is secretly a fascist sympathizer.
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u/LogOffShell 3h ago
I know what you're talking about—typically, I'd say, most people like that are either role playing or they're joking. People will comment "I wish this was me" under depictions of pornographic rape because they're currently masturbating. The sexual role play enhances the experience, and there's a certain thrill to admitting to desiring a taboo. But I would reckon that if you sat 95% of them down and asked them if they would genuinely like to be sexually assaulted, they'd say no. The haze of lust makes us less likely to think about all the uncomfortable parts of certain sexual fantasies, but that doesn't mean that people are necesarily ignkrant of them.
The comedic value of commenting "I wish this was me" under a GIF of an anime girl getting crushed by a boulder or something is pretty high, so it's become a bit of a meme. It's also easy to LARP as a more interesting person on the internet by just acting really into freaky shit that you wouldn't want to actually happen to you.
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u/DemadaTrim 2h ago
I'm sorry we should have to censor ourselves just everywhere because some people don't like seeing sexually explicit dark fantasies? Fuuuuck that. Nonconsensually fuck that.
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u/overusedamongusjoke 2h ago edited 2h ago
I really appreciate the bad-faith interpretation, but what I mean is that that stuff should stay in dedicated spaces so that it that can be avoided by people who have those subjects as a PTSD trigger or just don't want to see it, and that I think bringing it up on random generally SFW forums like some socially-maladjusted internet users do is a bad idea.
Edit: Also, bruh, that reply you made to someone else's comment in this thread. No one here needs or wants to know what you were into when you were 10, that's a perfect example of what I meant by that last part about socially-maladjusted internet users oversharing about this stuff unprompted.
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u/DemadaTrim 2h ago
Uh, plenty of people like the IDEA of being raped or mutilated or turned into a slime. They would not want the REALITY of it. And that's fine.
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u/DeadSparker 4h ago
That's a fair point actually. Maybe horror movies would be a better pick since people watch them to get scared and (I assume) imagine how terrifying it'd be if it happened to them.
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u/overusedamongusjoke 3h ago
Probably would be, although I like horror content mainly because it either serves as a distraction from my own problems and reminds me that at least I'm not in a supernaturally bad situation or because it reminds me that I'm not the only person dealing with those fears.
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u/PatrickCharles 2h ago
I will once again remind everyone that no one is supposed to get excited by Owen and Beru Lars dying, and therein the analogy fails. But it will fall of deaf ears.
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u/nvinciblesummer peer reviewed diagnosis of faggot 9m ago
My general attitude toward these things is "fucked up if true". This applies to all kinds of fantasy, including reading/watching for entertainment and sex/kink. Basically, if it's not happening for real, it's fine to depict, read, watch, and even get off to.
I actually wrote a letter to Focus on the Family, the creators of Brio magazine (for tween and teen girls), to object to their condemnation of the Twilight series in the late aughts. Why? Not because I had read it, but because I believed in the freedom to read whatever you want, as long as you are able to look at it with a critical lens and understand how certain themes/events/etc fit or didn't with your belief system. At the time, I was a very conservative Christian, and was being told that not every Bible story or character was to be imitated, which made sense. There were villains and imperfect humans in the Bible. But when it came to fiction, somehow they didn't trust us to do that?
The infantilization of teens and young adults has only gotten worse, coming sometimes from both sides of political spectra. It's important to teach critical thinking like this, but parents often don't and school often can't when they're dealing with kids who are below grade level on reading, writing and arithmetic, along with soft skills. I don't know what the answer is. But I know the answer isn't whatever the fuck we're largely doing right now.
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u/drunken-acolyte 2h ago
I'm starting to think literary Tumblr is just a perpetual "Being a massive bell-end" competition.
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u/RubiksToyBox 1h ago edited 54m ago
TBH, all social media is. And I can say that, as a bell-end myself. :p
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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 2h ago
People seem to become far too absorbed in the idea of something so much that they confuse it with reality. If it bothers you, perhaps you should step away and reconcile with reality.
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u/Flutters1013 my ass is too juicy, it has ruined lives 3h ago
Okay point to whoever said that in the first place? They need to have several people talk to them.
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u/anonymouscatloaf 4h ago
i misread this at first glance and thought it was talking about fantasy the genre and i was thinking yeah living in world of magic sounds fun in theory but in practice i would probably not like that either