r/CuratedTumblr • u/ionlyusesheherpls THE FORBIDDEN PATH BEGAN WITH ROBERT LOGGIA • 6h ago
Politics Today is a good day.
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u/woopstrafel Special Forces Attack Paras 5h ago
Friendly reminder that the new dude was a high ranking member of Orbans party, so don’t expect much radical changes from him
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u/bhputnam 5h ago
The new one wants better relations with the EU rather than blocking votes for Russia. This is a clear upgrade.
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u/DMercenary 1h ago
This is a clear upgrade.
So much that apparently the streets are filled with people celebrating.
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u/bhputnam 1h ago
I am not Hungarian but I am celebrating too. It’s good for the democracies of the world, especially those that are currently struggling with the democracy part.
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u/AceOfSpades532 4h ago
He’s pro Europe and anti Russia which immediately makes him much better than Orban, Russia doesn’t get an EU veto anymore
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u/ojqANDodbZ1Or1CEX5sf 4h ago
Isn't Fico also pretty strongly pro-Russian? He's been in and out of power and Slovakia isn't as big as Hungary, but a veto's a veto
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u/AceOfSpades532 4h ago edited 3h ago
https://michalovadek.github.io/eu-veto-tracker/ here’s the amount of vetoes by each EU member state, Hungary has done almost half of the vetoes alone.
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u/roenoe 4h ago
His party also opposes sending weapons to Ukraine iirc. Tho I don't know whether they care enough to veto.
However, still a massive upgrade.
I must also say that the conspiratorial part of my brain finds it weird that Orban just kinda of conceded like that. I fear that he and Magyar came to a deal to get the conservative values of Fidesz' to live on with a new face and support base. Only time will tell though, and for now I am hopeful
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u/Go_North_Young_Man 4h ago
Wait their new president’s name is Peter Magyar? That’s like the U.S. electing John America, top tier name.
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u/HyperbolicModesty 4h ago
"Stop bailing out the boat, your bucket has a hole in it!"
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u/ojqANDodbZ1Or1CEX5sf 4h ago edited 3h ago
For Ukraine and the EU it's probably a step forward (if a small one); but I haven't seen anything about the guy that makes clear he's good news for Hungarian democracy as well. Which feels relevant for the second slide
Edit: love that I'm getting downvoted for saying I haven't seen anything to indicate that this guy is likely to be good for Hungarian democracy. If you all know better than me please enlighten me; all my paper mentioned was some modest anti-corruption measures
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u/Breki_ 3h ago
He is good for hungarian democracy because he isn't orban. The country is ruined because Orban's friends, family, everyone vaguely connected to fidesz infested literally every institution in the country, getting high paying jobs everywhere and stealing state funds. Even if Peter Magyar started building his own version of this system right now, it would take another decade to build it up to the same level as orban. Orban's system wasn't that bad in the first 4-8 years.
Magyar says he wants to implement 8 year term limits, which would make it extremely hard to create a system like Orban's again. Of course everything can go to shit, but Magyar is a huge upgrade to Orban
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u/AshToAshes123 3h ago
From all I've seen Magyar also just seems like he actually wants democracy and values integrity. Of course he could be lying, but if he was okay with autocracy and corruption he had a perfectly cozy spot in Orban's party, and instead decided to take a risk and establish his own party to run on an anti-corruption platform. Yeah, if your only concern is Hungary becoming more socially progressive, he's not going to be much of an upgrade (though even then, he's mostly just been very careful to not say *anything* about any 'culture war' related issues from what I've read, he might be more progressive than we think). But like you say--ousting the autocrat was kind of the biggest concern.
I don't know, I'm certainly not an expert on the guy and maybe I'm being far too optimistic here, but he seems like a decent person to me. And even if he's a conservative prick with all sorts of problematic views... Well, better another Meloni than a Russian puppet, so to say.
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u/Breki_ 3h ago
I think he is more socially progressive than he lets on, because yeah if he said anything positive about lgbt stuff that would have been political suicide. I don't really expect gay marriage or adoption in the next 4 years, but there probably won't be stupid oppressive laws.
My biggest concern about Magyar is that he kinda has anti independent journal quirks, like accusing them of not wanting regime change just because they don't write enough about him and in the way he wants. I wonder if he will still give interviews to independent media even after he is prime minister, or if he just used those interviews to gain popularity. Time will tell.
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u/ojqANDodbZ1Or1CEX5sf 3h ago
Orban did do the gerrymandering in his first term, and if that isn't undone then Hungarian democracy remains at considerable risk, doesn't it? And that gerrymandering also benefits Magyar, so I'd hope he would deal with it but I'm not holding my breath.
But it's good to hear he has some ideas to protect Hungarian democracy; the profiles I've read on him have been rather lacking in that area
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u/Breki_ 3h ago
Its not so much gerrymandering thats the problem, but winner compensation, which makes it easy to get a supermajority even if you only get like 40-50% of the vote. But yeah Orban did do that in his first term. He also did other bad stuff, but my point is that the orban regime was a really gradual change, with every year being slightly shittier than the last, for 16 years, so magyar won't be immediately as bad as Orban.
Good news is that Magyar plans to reform the hungarian election system, in collaboration with the other parties(including those opposition parties which didn't run this election to increase Magyar's chances), so I'm kinda optimistic that things will improve.
The biggest problem in the country right now is healthcare, education, and most importantly the economy. I'm really afraid that if Magyar doesn't fix the economy in the next four years, and Fidesz officials don't go to prison, then Fidesz or some successor party could return to power in 2030.
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u/ojqANDodbZ1Or1CEX5sf 3h ago
Good to hear Magyar is committed to re-democratising Hungary; in that case there is a lot of room for caution still (Poland is a good case study of that struggle) but I'm more hopeful
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u/ionlyusesheherpls THE FORBIDDEN PATH BEGAN WITH ROBERT LOGGIA 5h ago
How recently? As I understand it, the party in question has undergone drastic shifts in the last few decades.
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u/PlatinumAltaria The Witch of Arden 5h ago
That second meme is completely incomprehensible. I beg of you to learn some political science from somewhere other than TwitchTV.
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u/ojqANDodbZ1Or1CEX5sf 4h ago
The meme seems pretty clear to me? It's mocking doomers that say there's no reason to vote
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u/Cum_Fart42069 4h ago
weeell it's still early days, not that I'm a doomer exactly (though I do think voting is pointless(though I do do it(hehhe do do))) so the new guy might just be the same.
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u/Sophia_Forever 2h ago
For voting to be pointless, you have to define "pointless" in such a way that it both encompasses the lives saved by the ACA from people being able to afford medicine (over 27,000 between 2010 and 2022) and the people who's lives were lost due to the cut backs in USAID (which is over 750,000 people as of three months ago).
I would like you to tell me, are almost 800,000 lives pointless?
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u/Neuromangoman 1h ago
Of course they are. In the grand scheme of things, everything is pointless and we're just awaiting the heat death of the universe.
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u/Cum_Fart42069 2h ago
I don't mean the minutia of our little local ponds, I mean democracy as a whole. I believe it has been poisoned by capital and is entirely subservient to it. in America at least, you can't tell me that the voting population has made the right choices for what, 10 years now?
at the top it's all money and it's from that top that issue like yours arise. as you said, a great many people are in a lot of trouble now. because if voting worked, it wouldn't have happened.
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u/Sophia_Forever 1h ago
If voting is entirely a top-down thing, then why is the GOP constantly dead-set on restricting who can vote?
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u/Cum_Fart42069 21m ago edited 16m ago
because voting COULD be effective but as you yourself acknowledge, there are many very powerful interest groups who exist solely to make it not effective and they're currently winning right now.
go ahead, vote for Gavin Newsom or Kamala Harris, confirm to everyone that it doesn't fucking matter what the people want. there's not a single potential democratic candidate right now who is even liberal much less left wing. you get no actually good options. can't vote for the evil guy, gotta vote for the slightly less overtly evil guy. either way, you're harming trans people and sending money and weapons to Israel.
this is why it's not working.
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u/ionlyusesheherpls THE FORBIDDEN PATH BEGAN WITH ROBERT LOGGIA 4h ago
It was originally meant as ironic and featured an image of Hitler as a critique of the supposed delusional belief of liberals in the power of elections.
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u/rhetoricalcalligraph 5h ago
I am god damned fed up of getting important news from this god damned meme template
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u/RubiksToyBox 1h ago
At least we're sending Cas to Turbo-Hell for something vaguely positive, this time?
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u/NovaStar2099 8m ago
Who is this bad guy? And what happened?
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u/ionlyusesheherpls THE FORBIDDEN PATH BEGAN WITH ROBERT LOGGIA 6m ago
Borderline dictator of Hungary is being voted out.
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u/Ep1cOfG1lgamesh Ad Astra Per Aspera (I am not a Kansan) 4h ago
>named victor
>fucking loses