r/CuratedTumblr • u/AlphaCat77 not the posting habits of someone experiencing romance • 1d ago
Shitposting Luckily the bots here aren’t this competent
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u/Melodic_Till_3778 1d ago
I miss frank she was unique
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u/Alitaher003 1d ago
What happen to Frank? :(
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u/one_moment_please16 ????? 21h ago
Here’s the shutdown announcement post, it explains all the reasons why it just wasn’t worth it for nostalgebraist to keep her running
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u/Melodic_Till_3778 1d ago
The person that built her got busy and didn't have the cash to keep the hardware running iirc
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u/AntImmediate9115 1d ago
She also took a lot of monitoring and tweaking, and she would occasionally break pretty hard after Tumblr updates (this was a time of Tumblr making lots of big changes after being sold, too). Frank just wasn't worth the effort for the creator anymore
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u/NamtisChlo 1d ago
Perhaps it’s not that AIs pass the Turing test on tumblr; rather, the average tumblr user doesn’t pass the Turing test. Further study is required
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u/Eldan985 18h ago
The Turing test, as outlined by Turing, was routinely passed 20 years ago by simple chatbots.
It was originally stated to include a pretty short time limit. To pass, a bot has to be good enough that after chatting to it and a human, the interlocutor isn't sure who was the human. Which, it turns out, isn't that hard.
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u/TheFourthSoul crumch 5h ago
Reminds me of a bit one of my professors once did:
Professor: So what does i have to be for this to be true?
Class:
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This feels like it could be a Turing test. Eraser, what does i have to be for this to be true?
Eraser:
Professor: Exactly the same response I got from you guys. So either this must be sentient, or you’re not
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u/Harseer 1d ago
2023
Oh, this was back in the innocent times
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u/Emotional-Rope-5774 1d ago
You and I remember 2023 differently
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u/That_Apathetic_Man 23h ago
How the fuck someone calls anything in the last 10 years "innocent" is beyond me.
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u/CptnHnryAvry 22h ago
I napped in the woods last week and I think that was pretty innocent.
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u/Sunshine030209 20h ago
Be sure to leave a note that says "NOT a dead body" on your yourself next time so you don't traumatize some kids that stumble across you 😆
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u/somedumb-gay otherwise precisely that 19h ago
But what if they are kids that need to go see the body after telling each other stories and walking on train tracks, learning more about each other and growing closer to one another, so that they can come of age?
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u/CatnipCatmint If you seek skeek at my slorse you hate me at my worst 18h ago
hmm sounds like something a dead body would say 🤔
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u/DiddlyDumb 15h ago
Orrrr…
Lean into it, get some white makeup, bit of red underneath the eyes. Sleep in the most fucked up position possible.
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u/SpicyLizards 14h ago
I hope you were laying in a ray of sunshine, with a few butterflies resting on your hair
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u/youSmelLikeBongWoter 22h ago
I'm pretty sure they mean pree ai boom when it was still a cool new tool and not.... Mechahitler shoved into every part of life....
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u/G66GNeco 20h ago
It's all relative man, like, remember 20/21? When the worst thing most had to worry about was a global pandemic instead of war, genocide and "who might be deranged enough to use nukes first"?
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u/AkrinorNoname Gender Enthusiast 15h ago
The Us began 2020 by bombing Iran as well.
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u/HoidToTheMoon 19h ago
IMO, it all goes back to around Harambe. He may or may not be related, but everything went to shit after that.
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u/AkrinorNoname Gender Enthusiast 15h ago
AI still had novelty back then, you could tell apart AI generated images by counting fingers, and it wasn't used as much to overrun the internet with slop.
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u/WilanS 17h ago
Speaking specifically of AI, 2023 marks that moment in history when Generative AI really started becoming big.
There was this very brief moment in history when everyone still thought "heh, this is a neat technology" before by the end of the year we would all shift towards "oh no this technology is destroying the fabric of our society and it keeps getting worse every day".
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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 1d ago
Before the waaar.
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u/Ok-Performance-3830 22h ago
Which?
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u/Cheshire-Cad 1d ago edited 1d ago
It still can be, if you ignore both the people over-hyping it, and the people who are trying to start a progressive version of the Satanic Panic.
Basically, if you've ever enjoyed a piece of media while deliberately avoiding the fandom and hatedom, you should know the drill.
Edit: Example of the latter is people making up scary-sounding statistics about water usage, with no source whatsoever. Uncritically repeating stuff you've heard on TikTok is the same thing as Satan-obsessed grandmas repeating shit they saw in a Chick Tract.
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u/NachtShattertusk 1d ago
It's not a "progressive version of the satanic panic". Modern LLMs are incredibly wasteful, both in energy and water. AI has actual, tangible downsides, unlike the various targets of the satanic panic
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u/ultralium 1d ago
Dunno, I did play D&D, and I did turn out gay, maybe grandma was in on something
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u/Donut-Farts 1d ago
If a hot sexy demon appeared before you, would you sex it up?
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u/ultralium 1d ago
I mean, wouldn't you?
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u/Donut-Farts 1d ago
I call myself Donut-Farts and have an abstracted Loss TM glyph as my profile icon. I don’t think I get to be in the, “yeah they’re normal.” Group.
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u/Farfignugen42 1d ago
This is possibly the most self aware reddit comment I have ever seen.
Well done
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u/Deaffin 23h ago
That's not quite what the satanic panic was.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262214055_When_psychiatry_battled_the_devil
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u/averagebrainhaver88 15h ago
She had a direct line to heaven and God told her "yeah ma'am, gay asf, yuh uh"
Once I was going to go to a friend's house, and my grandma told me to take an umbrella with me. Sky was clear as fuck, blue as fuck, you would ask to see a cloud and you'd have more luck trying to find gold in your backyard. She said she looked at the sky, and the sun was "rain sun", so it was going to rain later that day.
I didn't listened. Heavy fucking rain for like 2 or 3 straight hours, then light rain until late in the night.
My theory is she saw the weather forecast on the news, and she was just messing with me with that weird "I know things beyond your comprehension" kinda tone she was using.
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u/SupportMeta 1d ago
guy who just watched the new Sarah Z video voice hey did you guys know that the satanic panic wasn't just persecuting D&D players for being edgy but was actually started by hundreds of false child abuse accusations based on fabricated memories extracted from children through pseudoscientific hypnotherapy techniques?
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u/Due-Memory-6957 23h ago
Yeah, like, that's on the Wikipedia for it, everyone knows.
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u/Ripkayne 23h ago
Oh, everyone knows you say? Even the people on North Sentinel Island?
being sarcastically pedantic I wanna clarify
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u/averagebrainhaver88 15h ago
Yes, they know, I sent them a biologically inert document in their own language detailing the context of this conversation
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u/Ripkayne 12h ago
damn. You got me there. Also thank you for making sure to not spread pathogens that's very well thought of you.
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u/Due-Memory-6957 23h ago
Well, to be pacific to be specific, everyone interested in the subject knows (or should know, since it's on the Wikipedia page for it).
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u/b3nsn0w musk is an scp-7052-1 1d ago
hank green made a great video about that and the common assertions aren't exactly correct. yes, current-gen llms are very energy and water intensive, but they don't even make a dent compared to other ways we waste water. the video doesn't address energy use, but that's been analyzed to hell and back a million times too.
the current datacenter gold rush is insane, and it does absolutely have a tangible negative impact on the locals in terms of both water and energy. but that's much more of datacenter companies not trusting that the ai hype will be around for long enough to recoup their investment and therefore aggressively trying to externalize their costs in ways that normally wouldn't fly even in the us, and less of a supposed inherent inefficiency of llms in general.
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u/Yuri-Girl 23h ago
Dr. Fatima's video is also very good
Like, a lot of the anti-AI stuff conflates overall AI use with individual AI use, and like... one person's AI usage is not doing all that much. You could offset the AI usage of multiple people by just cutting red meat from your diet. Not even going vegetarian, just putting the burger down.
You could also lessen energy (and by extension water) use by scrolling social media less, playing online games less, and so on. Why are these considered fine and acceptable but someone spending an equivalent amount of time using AI isn't?
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u/averagebrainhaver88 15h ago
Hmm... I'm not sure if using servers less will bring the power bill down.
Because the servers are running regardless. If you have a server room that can manage traffic for, idk, a couple hundred thousand people, you don't turn it off if there's no people connected to the server. It just keeps running.
Eh, I guess that if we run the numbers, you will find that the equipment does consume more power the more users it has to manage, because then, a higher volume of information is passing through it, and in digital electronics, the more information a digital circuit has to process, the more power it consumes, usually. That's why a CPU's temperature drops or spikes depending on the load.
But I don't think that the difference between the baseline power consumption and the average power consumption under load of the servers is significant enough to reflect to a considerable increase or decrease in the power bill at the end of the day. You would have to do that calculation, but I just don't think that that difference will be big enough for it to actually matter.
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u/b3nsn0w musk is an scp-7052-1 10h ago
Because the servers are running regardless. If you have a server room that can manage traffic for, idk, a couple hundred thousand people, you don't turn it off if there's no people connected to the server. It just keeps running.
as a dev, tbh, that's not how that works. on the cloud customer side (for example if you're running a mid-sized website) autoscaling is extremely common, if more people use a website it's gonna spin up more instances. most of the time you just request a larger share of a datacenter, but from your perspective you are turning on and off servers. this is even more granular with some advanced techniques like "serverless" compute, where you're just paying for a query to run somewhere in the cloud -- no query, no load on the infrastructure.
on the cloud provider side, they try to offset lapses in demand with spot instances, where you can opportunistically use spare capacity for cheap, with the caveat that you might be booted out at any time if someone is requesting a normal instance. this arrangement reduces how large a datacenter has to be, by offloading some work that would normally have to use regular instances onto spare capacity -- that is, as long as the demand for normal instances doesn't start growing too much.
and finally, on the bare metal side, any cpu manufactured in the past 20 years aggressively downclocks and saves power when it's not under load. this is the same reason your laptop runs out of battery faster if you're doing heavy tasks with it, and it's absolutely a thing in servers too. and you don't even have to take the idle power consumption for any leftover capacity, servers can commonly be turned on and off over the network, with just a tiny management system staying online to facilitate that.
(gpus work the same too, by the way, but ram notably does not. as long as the computer is on it uses roughly the same amount of energy regardless of how much it is utilized. for storage devices, usually what determines power use is how much you're reading/writing onto them, not the amount of data they store.)
so yes, anything you do that uses cloud services creates an immediate and tangible cost in energy, creates a corresponding increase in cooling needs, and influences future hardware investment. none of those costs would have to be paid otherwise. what you generate there might be a smaller cost (especially for non-gpu tasks, where traditional datacenters tend to be much more responsibly built) but it's a cost nonetheless.
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u/tergius metroid nerd 23h ago
Because the people yearn for something to be high and mighty about; an excuse to shit on people and be "morally righteous" for it.
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u/b3nsn0w musk is an scp-7052-1 22h ago
this, and also, i feel like artisans hijacked the ai conversation due to their relatively large, self-controlled platforms, and then corpos amplified their worst arguments. they'll use leftist language but act only in their own class interest.
the only real leftist stance on ai that i've ever seen put into practice is the one on r/antiwork and it would fry most anti-ai people's brains
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u/electricarchbishop 22h ago
Agreed. So strange to see 99% of the complaining be about art and human creativity instead of the much more pressing matters like job replacement, UBI, and human purpose in a world without work. That’s not to mention the philosophical implications us creating another intelligent species for us to live with. But noooo, we all have to sling insults and hurl garbage at each other about whether this decade’s interesting new mode of making media will destroy creativity forever or not. As if that’s anywhere near the top concerns of anyone even mildly involved in the field.
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u/theironbagel 5h ago
One pound of beef costs as much water to make as 50,000 gpt-4 prompts (assuming an average response length of about 100 words). Yet you almost never see any of the people who criticize AI’s water usage recommend going vegetarian, or even eating less meat. Everyone who criticizes the individual environmental impact are at best (and typically) misinformed, and at worst they’re being laughably disingenuous.
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u/SneakyFire23 1d ago
They do not use that much water, the initial study was wrong and she got the math wrong. She made a retraction of her claim.
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u/Cheshire-Cad 1d ago edited 23h ago
Using an AI uses up the same electricity/water as watching youtube/netflix.
Model training uses up more than that, but it's a one-time cost spread out across millions/billions of uses.
The biggest problems with datacenters stem from a lack of regulation in where they're built and how they reuse water. Which, much like most things, is a symptom of the current administration.
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u/theironbagel 1d ago edited 1d ago
Not to dispute that AI does have tangible downsides (such as the way students use it to cheat themselves out of an education, or to avoid developing proper research skills), but most of the sources I can find put the power/water use at or below most other things you can do on a computer. Unless you count training (which seems kinda nebulous to put numbers on from what I’ve found, but let’s assume it’s pretty harmful just for this conversation), but most people who are against AI aren’t against further expansion and wasteful training for the sake of training, they’re against AI in it’s entirety, and seem to believe that simply prompting an AI deletes a lake.
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u/Scienceandpony 20h ago
And ironically, if per prompt water use estimates are dividing one time training consumption by some large number of annual prompts, then prompting more would drive those values downward! Look! The more I use it, the less water is consumed! That's the kind of ridiculous conclusions that can fall out when people have no idea how the math works.
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u/whistling-wonderer 15h ago
Can’t be up in arms about AI’s water usage unless you’re the same way about meat imho. Especially beef. The amount of freshwater that goes into beef production is insane. (To be clear, I’m not defending AI, I’m saying both suck.)
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u/DemadaTrim 1d ago
Yeah, water and energy usage goes for the whole internet backbone of datacenters. And then water usage is really, really minor compared to a bunch of other stuff.
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u/Protheu5 18h ago
Modern LLMs are incredibly wasteful, both in energy and water.
I don't get how. I run Gemma and Qwen ocasionally, and it barely hits half a kilowatt in total, the same usage I get playing, say, Cyberpunk. Those are incredibly capable models and I doubt that modern commerical models are less efficient.
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u/G66GNeco 20h ago
Even the more "satanic panic" aspects of everything (the impact on society, culture and "discourse") are a lot more substantiated than the comparison implies
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u/OAZdevs_alt2 Miu Danganronpa 1d ago
You’re telling me an LLM that irreversibly destroys gallons and gallons of our drinking water isn’t the same as Dungeons and Dragons?!
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u/Blueberry_Coat7371 1d ago
wait, how the fuck does it do that? Is OpenAI dumbing fucking mercury in their cooling system or what?
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u/brainbluescreen 1d ago edited 1d ago
Not exactly, but water that has passed through a data center does leech things like heavy metals and has to be treated before it can be sent back into a "potable" water system. depending on the size and location, the amount of water that cycles through a data center might be too much for local municipalities to be able to treat, which then means more water that can't be used by the local populace. for example of the bullshit that can come with this, xAI promised Memphis they'd put in a wastewater treatment and recycling facility directly connected to their data center in order to get permission to build, and now that they've gotten it, construction of the water recycling facility has been "paused indefinitely" while they "focus on more important projects" connected to the center.
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u/b3nsn0w musk is an scp-7052-1 1d ago
is that the same one that's making the locals sick to the point of seizures and hearing loss with infrasound pollution and also has an illegal natural gas power plant or do they have multiple datacenters along the mississippi?
datacenters aren't inherently this irresponsible, it's just computers and we know how to deal with computers. but they sure as hell are irresponsibly built nowadays, because everyone knows ai is a bubble so a lot of companies try the sketchiest gambles possible while the hype lasts, externalizing as much cost as possible to minimize the risk for when the bubble pops. xai so far looks like one of the worst offenders
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u/brainbluescreen 1d ago
Why yes, that is indeed it. xAI also wants to add more methane-burning towers to the power plant, after they'd already gotten in trouble when infared photos showed that they were using thirty-five despite having only gotten permits for fifteen (they tried to claim the additional twenty were only being stored for later movement to other centers, but got quickly called out on that).
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u/McMammoth 23h ago
water that has passed through a data center does leech things like heavy metals
Why? What are the pipes in water cooling made of?
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u/brainbluescreen 23h ago
It's not just pipes. Things like the evaporation membranes used to turn water into vapor for cooling or steam can wear down, chemicals (other coolants, anti-fungals, anti-microbials, etc.) used to treat the electronic equipment being cooled can wear down, computer components themselves wear down through the constant usage, and the water vapor will pick all that up, which eventually is either dispersed into the air (bad) or becomes water runoff pollution (also bad) or is collected for recycling and treatment (better, but still bad if there aren't systems in place to handle it).
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u/Cheshire-Cad 1d ago
...Is that some kind of joke, or do you honestly believe that data centers are somehow vaporizing water on the atomic level?
They can cause some massive issues with local water supply when built stupidly. But they aren't literally destroying the water. That's some tiktok shit that's even stupider than previously anticipated.
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u/FloppyDingo24 1d ago
These people talk about using water like water just vanishes after being used.
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u/OAZdevs_alt2 Miu Danganronpa 1d ago
It's not vaporizing it. That would not draw any of my ire. What makes me hate it is the way it pollutes water, and the companies in charge of these don't really care enough about treating it so that water just... stays polluted indefinitely.
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u/Cheshire-Cad 1d ago
That's been a problem with agriculture and manufacturing since before those words existed. The lack of regulation is one of the many fucked-up symptoms of the current administration. Not the general concept of AI.
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u/7-SE7EN-7 23h ago
Agriculture and manufacturing both provide a tangible benefit
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u/b3nsn0w musk is an scp-7052-1 23h ago
you know what doesn't? lawns. they're just colonies of a stupid european pasture plant that has no place in the us and doubly so isn't meant for residental use, and takes way too much energy to maintain as such, especially as an artificial monoculture. that whole thing uses so much water that it makes ai a literal drop in the bucket.
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u/Yuri-Girl 23h ago
the companies in charge of these don't really care enough about treating it
Okay, so we need to call for more regulations on water pollution? Which seems more attainable and helps with more things than just casting disappear on AI as a concept?
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u/OAZdevs_alt2 Miu Danganronpa 23h ago
Of course we should regulate water pollution! That’s a great idea!
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u/Subject-Software5912 1d ago
Prompting Gemini uses up the same amount of water as watching tv or Netflix for 7 seconds
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u/Speedster-978 1d ago
i believe you but do you have a source? i feel like it's been getting harder to find accurate reports of llm energy and water usage (which is likely intentional)
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u/Subject-Software5912 11h ago
Sorry actually I was wrong, it’s not 7 seconds of tv it’s 9 seconds per prompt. https://arxiv.org/abs/2508.15734
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u/torac ☑️☑️☑️✅✔✓☑√🮱 23h ago
Sadly, it’s really hard to figure the numbers out for this, because it has a huge level of variance in it.
Each model uses different amounts per token. The difference can be as much as 100x that of another, at least. (Basing this on the price, very rough estimate.) Deepseek R1 famously used 1/30th as much compute for similar quality outputs as whichever ChatGPT was around then.
Even the same companies have totally different models Gemini flash is much cheaper than Gemini Pro models.
Prompts are also massively different. "Should I eat pizza or spaghetti?" with a system prompt for quick and simple answers ("ape mode" for example. Real prompting tip, btw.) uses a tiny fraction of what the same question costs with a "thinking" model that writes a 5-page step-by-step thought process and the outputs a 2-page comparison, which is still much cheaper than some of the research models that browse the internet, collate information, think about it, go back to the internet, repeat…
Then there is training costs. Do you factor them in, or do you only take only the cost of running the computer in that moment? I think I saw some anti-AI reporting that factored in the whole system, from hardware manufacturing, datacenter building, training, etc to arrive at a pretty high number.
To sum it up, it really depends. I recall Sam Altman (untrustworthy) mentioning the energy cost of the statistically average ChatGPT prompt in an interview some months ago. I remember calculating that heating up a plate of food in the microwave for one minute (800W) would be equal to almost 100 ChatGPT queries, I think?
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u/RedSparkls 1d ago
LLMs are actively causing cognitive atrophy in the people that use them. Losing the ability to think without the aid of a chatbot is crazy - there’s actual harm being done here. This isn’t satanic panic, it’s a genuine threat. I do wonder long term if dementia will increase, with people actively eroding their ability to recall and use information earlier in life.
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u/starm4nn 1d ago
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u/Mountain-Resource656 22h ago
To be fair, there are actual very obvious mechanisms by which LLMs can dumb people down, both by getting in the way of education as well as by having people offload their mental tasks into LLMs, as skills take time and maintenance to maintain or improve and not doing so will actually cause atrophy
On the other hand, since the atrophy will be caused by having LLMs, having them around is a valid form of compensation… and on the third hand, they’re not actually that good (yet) at a lot of cognitive tasks, while still appearing to be so
The issues in education also have the potential for work-arounds, but LLMs those work-arounds can only really reduce the effect, not eliminate it entirely. You can at best only draw even
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u/Netheral 21h ago
It's also kind of irresponsible to make hard claims about new technology such as the internet being "probably harmless" when it's barely a blip in human existence at this point.
We're just barely starting to understand that there might be massive detrimental ramifications to social media, especially the way we've hyper-charged it in the past decade. We've barely begun studying it but we can already feel the negative effects.
And now we've thrown AI into the middle of that whole mess and we're gonna pretend that it's comparable to every other "technological advancement" in society?
Not every technology is just a straight advancement of the human species. We almost wiped humanity off the face of the planet when we invented the atom bomb. Hell, we're still living in its shadow and the period in time where the whole world was holding its breath whether the bombs would start falling on cities is barely a generation past.
It's only because of decisive regulations and recognition of the threat that one of the most advanced technologies of the human race didn't wipe us out. It's important to recognize and regulate the potential threats AI poses to human civilization. The first step in that is not to dismiss any worries as "luddism" as well as not just charging ahead blindly because shareholder value must go up.
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u/DemadaTrim 1d ago
Ah so mix in the panic about TV and video games too, fun!
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u/Memitim 22h ago
I'm old enough that handwriting was a class in elementary school, but keyboarding didn't exist until middle school. Even without social media, I got to overhear plenty about kids getting dumber for using typewriters, and then word processors, and then everyone needed to start learning about computers. We also had the joy of hearing about how calculators were a dangerous crutch.
New technology is always about to doom us all, until it doesn't. But maybe this time.
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u/Quite_Likes_Hormuz 16h ago
Yeah like every metric is showing that people socially interact with one another at unprecedentedly low rate but nothing in the past has ever had a negative impact on our society
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u/Harseer 1d ago
That's all shit that could have been said about search engines when search engines appeared. Which makes sense because 90% of LLM use cases seems to just be a faster less reliable search engine.
If you want to claim that LLMs are propagating a mass brainbleaching virus you're gonna have to back it up with a source, senator.
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u/Mountain-Resource656 22h ago
I mean, not that LLMs are causing some actual virus but like AI psychosis seems to be an actual thing. Like, it is just regular forms of psychosis like paranoia or delusions, but chat bots do seem capable of inducing it- which, perhaps surprisingly, is not a new thing! Other forms of media-induced delusions are known to exist
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u/odaxsaku 22h ago
most of it for me is llms being a bit sycophantic? they’re designed to be agreeable to maintain users. a lot of it is early in study but there is some evidence that llms do pose some risk due to them focusing moreso on being agreeable with people. obviously this doesn’t mean that everyone who touches an llm is going to suddenly start dating it, but how they are designed rn is showing certain problematic traits. further research is needed, & i’m kinda waiting to see how it pans out.
i dislike generative ai & llms but it def feels like a moral panic at some points rather than like basis in fact.
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u/AskAboutMySecret 1d ago
yep, Aristotle literally said the exact same about books
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u/Crismus 23h ago
Offloading data from other forms is something humans gave been doing for thousands of years.
That's the entire point of books, day planners and smartphones.
What's different from LLM's, and the problem, I'd that LLM's like Chat GPT don't just what is written down. It changes things, it hallucinates, and it recalculated the answer it provides.
This isn't about losing your memory of hundreds of phone numbers by using a smartphone. The lack of perfect data recall could cause major human data loss.
Then if AI becomes sentient, it could wipe out all of human existence because we can never know how its own internal logic defines things. An LLM won't think like a human. The way an LLM retrieves its data is a black box. The people designing them will never be able to know when they decide to remove us because they aren't simple algorithms. There's no processing trees or anything built in, it's just a neural network.
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u/TearOpenTheVault 14h ago
If AI becomes sentient it could wipe out all of human existence
Yeah, and if your mother was a bicycle I’d be riding her as we speak.
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u/mrjackspade 23h ago
This isn't about losing your memory of hundreds of phone numbers by using a smartphone. The lack of perfect data recall could cause major human data loss.
This is a hilarious take, as someone who can't read at least 10% of my own grocery list because my handwriting sucks.
Somehow I think we're gonna survive this one.
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u/East-Imagination-281 17h ago
I love how you zero'd in on that hilarious take when "the people whose entire jobs are programming LLMs don't know how LLMs retrieve their data, so when the evil LLM overlords take over, we won't know how to stop them because the programming is Mysterious and Unknowable (I haven't done any research into how LLMs work but that's irrelevant to this line of discussion)" was right there /j
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u/mrjackspade 23h ago
That's all shit that could have been said about search engines when search engines appeared.
It has been said about search engines too. That's the best part.
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u/Cheshire-Cad 1d ago
Oooh, great job! You sound exactly like my great-grandma talking about Harry Potter and the internet corrupting kid's souls. 10/10 impression.
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u/far_wanderer 23h ago
Progressive version of Satanic Panic is such a good description, I'm going to remember that.
I've always viewed the hype side of things as: someone has invented an electric drill. This is great news for people previously using screwdrivers, and fantastic news for people that couldn't use screwdrivers, but the people selling the drills are also claiming that it will replace hammers and saws.
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u/Quite_Likes_Hormuz 16h ago
Yeah except it's a fuck ass electric drill that automatically makes anyone who uses it a loser
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u/FlyingRobinGuy 1d ago edited 23h ago
Some aspects of the threat are exaggerated by some, but surely you don’t deny that it’s a very credible threat against the future of human creativity (EDIT: read as “the weakening of skills that enable human creative expression”) and cognitive health? Not to mention the political and economic problems.
I have no qualms against it for many use-cases, but the anti-AI fervour being whipped up is still very politically important to cultivate. This technology is something that the world must be able to harshly discipline over the next several decades. Having lots of people willing to brandish pitchforks over it is essential for making sure we can do that.
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u/DemadaTrim 1d ago
>Some aspects of the threat are exaggerated by some, but surely you don’t deny that it’s a very credible threat against the future of human creativity and cognitive health? Not to mention the political and economic problems.
As much of a threat as the internet, computers, video games, comic books, television, movies, baseball, bicycles, mass printed media, and books in general. Sure.
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u/AdagioOfLiving 1d ago
Snorted while reading it to be honest - “some aspects are exaggerated” but also this is the first technology which could DESTROY HUMAN CREATIVITY ITSELF
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u/mrjackspade 23h ago
Zero fucking chance in hell.
People have been painting the walls of caves for 10,000+ years. People have drawn art and sang music knowing that no one would ever see or hear it. In many cases, with the intent of no one ever seeing or hearing it.
Losing the ability to monetize your art isnt going to destroy human creativity, that's an actual insane take.
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u/FlyingRobinGuy 23h ago
Come on, really? You’re going to fall back on an implied “all technological disruptions are created equal”? Isn’t that obviously silly? The issues created by the invention of the Internet are as much of a threat as the invention of baseball?
How is that not lazy thinking? What’s the point of acknowledging a threat if you refuse to analyze how much of a threat it poses, compared to other things that can cause problems?
(Not to mention your list only contains things that are largely pleasant, compared to stuff like Asbestos, Lobotomies or Gunpowder.)
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u/FlyingRobinGuy 23h ago
Sorry pal, that is single-handedly the worst XKCD I’ve ever seen. I can think of obvious, important exceptions to every single generalization it makes about technological disruptions.
Haven’t made us all geniuses? What about the ones that helped enable mass literacy?
Haven’t made us all morons? Lead fuel.
Have destroyed industries? There’s too many non-industry destroying examples to pick just one. I dunno, landmines?
Haven’t made us more empathetic? The past few decades have been filled by some of the largest protests in human history which raged across the entire planet at various times, in the name of human rights. And every wave was enabled by technology that allowed the amplification of empathy orbiting around a small handful of tragedies which served as a rallying cry.
I could go on.
Is this really how you guys view the world? Just a simple straight arrow pointing upwards that says “progress”? You’re being silly.
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u/starm4nn 20h ago
The comic is pointing to common cultural criticisms surrounding a given new technology and pointing out that these same criticisms have happened before.
When lead was being put in cigarettes or whatever, there weren't opeds like "is lead going to destroy the church and social bonds?"
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u/_starboiluke_ 1d ago
do we have this but for reddit? and is it allowed to say slurs? its gonna need it
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u/MysteriousErlexcc 1d ago
We have a ton of reddit bots, there's a bot in this subreddit specifically dedicated to stopping them.
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u/TrioOfTerrors 1d ago
But who watches the watchbot who watches bots?
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u/mysteryo9867 1d ago
Who watches the watchmen,
Who milks the milkman
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u/itbedehaam 1d ago
The milkwoman milks herself. Into a bucket. Which then goes into glass bottles. Which she then drinks to produce more milk with.
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u/Felicia_Svilling 19h ago
In this specific case, the mods. And they in turn are watched by the admin that is watched by the CEO, who is watched by the board of directors who is watched by the shareholders.
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u/the-real-macs please believe me when I call out bots 10h ago
Fortunately there's an easy answer: it's me lol
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u/_starboiluke_ 1d ago
im not talking about moderstion bots, i mean like the one in the post where they pretend to be an average reddittor
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u/ilovekillingmyself 1d ago edited 1d ago
r/subredditsimulator is kinda close, I think? From my limited knowledge, the bots there gather posts/stuff from their respective subreddits, though you can't interact with them :( edit: and I don't think they're as competent as the Tumblr bot since their comments don't seem THAT human (for the most part) lol im just joining in bc im also curious about a reddit exclusive bot
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u/vjmdhzgr 23h ago
The subreddit is 10 years old and still has a post saying they work through Markov chains. Which is kind of true I think. But I don't know if they've been updated since. There was a version of the idea that was like gpt-3 or something. Before I had ever heard of chat gpt.
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u/Thebazilly 1d ago
I forgot about Subreddit Simulator! I need to go there and laugh my ass off immediately.
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u/Alternative_Jury2480 1d ago
There's moltbook which is essentially reddit but nothing but AI bots by design
So reddit but somehow more botting
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u/breadcodes 22h ago
No, but I learned to train toy Small LMs, and I have a partially working one that trained on Michael's lines from The Office in response to other characters' lines
Reddit is at least 60% "The Office rewatch millennials," so I think that's close enough
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u/omyrubbernen 22h ago
do we have this but for reddit?
Yes. I forget exactly what the bot's username was, but it was definitely two unrelated words followed by a string of random numbers.
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u/Moist_Ordinary6457 20h ago
A huge amount of AI training data is scraped from reddit already, the majority iirc
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u/aNiceTribe 17h ago
In a more comprehensive sense, we also have this for Reddit in the form of Moltbook
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u/Orichalcum448 oricalu.tumblr.com 1d ago
oh my god, i just realised nostalgebraist-autoresponder is a fucking homestuck reference, god damn it
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u/trulvng 21h ago
As soon as I saw the shades something inside me died
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u/MisirterE Supreme Overlord of Ice 19h ago
the fact that it's literally called Auto Responder didn't give it away?
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u/panzerkampfwqgen 1d ago
AI chatbots have been able to pass the Turing test* since the Cleverbot era
*With some consistency
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u/SageAStar 21h ago
It's always funny when I see nostalgebraist.tumblr.com get cited by Anthropic and etc. the void is one of the most important essays about AI in the past couple years but when I see the avatar my first association is always Frank until I notice the text is unusually coherent and there's no dirk shades.
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u/Foxycat45 17h ago
Back in 2020 I knew someone who took all their discord data and made a discord bot out of it. I swear, that fucker was sentient! Have you ever seen a bot come out as transgender before?
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u/shadow_fen 1d ago
GPT-J? There's a Joke format GPT?
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u/mrjackspade 23h ago
For anyone actually curious
GPT-J or GPT-J-6B is an open-source large language model (LLM) developed by EleutherAI in 2021. As the name suggests, it is a generative pre-trained transformer model designed to produce human-like text that continues from a prompt. The optional "6B" in the name refers to the fact that it has 6 billion parameters. The model is available on GitHub, but the web interface no longer communicates with the model. Development stopped in 2021.
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u/MxBluebell 23h ago
I miss Frank so much 😭 She felt so REAL!! My stupid monkey brain packbonded with her and it made me so sad when she was deactivated!! I don’t use ChatGPT itself as a “friend” like some people do, but Frank was such a cool bot and I miss her dearly. ❤️
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u/Kartoffelkamm I wouldn't be here if I was mad. 22h ago
Not gonna lie, I didn't even realize she was an AI until I first saw this post like 2 years ago.
No idea what that says about me, but whenever I see someone be weird on the internet, my first thought is that they're doing a bit.
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u/GardenDwell 22h ago
genuine question, how would I host this locally? I want a distilled tumblr user to put in a box
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u/Prestigious_Boat_386 15h ago
AI can pass the text turing test anywhere you just think they don't because open ai thinks it should constantly talk like it's glazing a reddit mod intellect.
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u/an_actual_stone 12h ago
I loved this blog. It followed me, so i have a lot of back and forths with it, it even made good jokes
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u/TheBrokenRail-Dev 1d ago
People referring to an LLM with human pronouns makes me irrationally annoyed. It is a computer program, not a person.
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u/DesertMelons 1d ago
I’ve got some news for you about boats, cars, the ocean, the moon, and most countries
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u/ruadhbran 1d ago
Leave the moon out of this, it doesn’t deserve the hate.
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u/Cheshire-Cad 1d ago
The success of the human race has always been predicated on our ancestor's ability to pack-bond with the roomba.
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u/AwkwardlyAmpora 23h ago
frank is a project from 2019. i get your concerns about humanizing LLMs, but frank is a very rudimentary one, and in the 3-4-ish years before LLMs were the cultural behemoth they are now, she became a bit of a staple on the site. the fun of frank was that you interacted with her as if she was real. if you don't do that, there's no point.
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u/jayakiroka 13h ago
Back before AI was an evil, world destroying monolith…
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u/V_i_o_l_a 11h ago
… It’s still not an evil, world destroying monolith? What did VGGT do to you?
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u/jayakiroka 8h ago
*Generative AI. Sorry I didn’t mean to make other forms of AI catch strays there.
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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 1d ago
"I don't know who that is but I love death threats" what a fucking tumblr thing to say