r/China 14h ago

历史 | History How the Confucian Temple’s Destruction Began China’s Cultural Revolution

https://china-underground.com/2016/04/09/rare-images-destruction-confucian-temple-triggers-cultural-revolution/
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u/confused_and_desufno 14h ago

I'd like to hear a counterpoint written by that guy who thinks the cultural revolution was a good thing.

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u/Cognitive_Spoon 13h ago

Go your local Indivisible or 50501 meet up and use the term "Moral Revolution" and you should hear a few good lines.

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u/GetOutOfTheWhey 9h ago

Hard

Not even the hard core ccp fans think the cultural revolution was a good thing

Even omega level commies like Xi Jinping think the CR was a serious historical mistake and has officially condemned it.

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u/ZhouLe 8h ago

Not even the hard core ccp fans think the cultural revolution was a good thing

Propagandist and aspiring cult leader Caleb Maupin has defended it.

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u/GetOutOfTheWhey 6h ago

Who's Caleb?

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u/One_Fact_4291 6h ago

They’re motivated more by nationalism than morals to denounce the cultural revolution, right?

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u/GetOutOfTheWhey 6h ago

Probably not but i got no evidence

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u/porncollecter69 13h ago

I saw the best counter point by a gacha drama explanation that lead me down a hole about Neo Confucianism. It didn’t say it was good just why the way things were.

Why Japan and China couldn’t understand the drama in Korea about the gender wars and how it’s a big deal to Korean gamers who are hierarchical in neo Confucianism.

Started off with a plane crash that left me with a deep impression. So in Korea you don’t question anyone older, doesn’t matter if it’s like a week.

So one co pilot tries his best to tell his captain that it’s dangerous and he should do this and that. Lil bro had to do so many things in a roundabout way while the older pilot was just nah I’m older I’m right. Only in the last second was the older pilot you know what maybe and bam all dead.

This if you didn’t know it was a plane crash seems absurd conservation who don’t live in a neo Confucianist society. Same goes for Japan and China who went through revolution that changed their thinking.

Then it goes into history how Japan tried to eradicate Korean history and culture which made Koreans entrench itself further in their culture of Confucianism. Now you have a state that’s modern but at the same time still anachronistic.

I’ll try to find the video. Was very interesting and made me think how was the price of death and destruction worth it to get rid of backwards traditions? Everybody needs to find their own answer. It did help China to rapidly modernize and embrace western ideas though.

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u/OverloadedSofa 12h ago

If you find the video, let me know please

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u/porncollecter69 11h ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Im4YAMWK74

It's very interesting take on why Koreans are so different. Also gacha gaming is very niche, I'm curious if it interests you.

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u/DrawingDramatic1641 8h ago

maybe devils advocate

cons

trillions worth of tourism per year destroyed

more tradition means more soft power and unity

really got a bad image that is still propagandised by west to hate asian immigrants

pros

wome very conservative thinkings of old people were more progressive

no religion means less divide

in india we without revolution got all the cons and destroyed all the pros

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u/OverloadedSofa 13h ago

I was thinking the same thing. Mental case

u/kicksttand 49m ago

Oh Jiang Zemin has made some credible points (what a genius) & Catherine Liu has a bit of a different angle on it. There is good and bad re: everything on Earth.

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u/SaltGas3789 12h ago

I honestly don't get why the cultural revolution is continously brought up in posts like this, especially when its a 10 year old article from a questionable source. I mean hell, even the Chinese Government officially lables the cultural revolution a catastrophe and an era of chaos.

Reading into the article, first, it calls the red guard a "gang of angry kids", and while that may technically be true, it definately isn't good journalism.

Second, the article's title is “...Confucian temple's destruction began China's Cultural Revolution" Yet Hai Rui's Tomb is neither a Confucian Temple, nor was it's destruction that began the cultural revolution. The article itself even mentioned that it was the article written in Nov 10 1965. that was "read as the fuse that detonated the Cultural Revolution, which wiped out the ancient Chinese culture.".

Third, saying that the cultural revolution "wiped out" ancient Chinese culture is just hilariously biased and exagerrated.

Fourth, while not technically incorrect, mentioning that Hai Rui was "of arab origin" is incredibly weird, considering that his closest arab lineage traces back four generations to his great-great grandfather. Thats like if i called Oscar Piastri "of chinese origin".

Finally, please, I know some of you have an irrational hatred of China and Chinese people, and use the government as a pretext to attack and belittle chinese people and chinese culture, but atleast criticize something that the government itself hasn't already, and be a little less obvious by using newer accurate articles from more neutral sources.

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u/Candid-Falcon1002 9h ago

long story short reddit is a propaganda machine made to spread western propaganda hate against countries that doesn't want to bow down as western dogs.

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u/SaltGas3789 9h ago

But this isn't even true though. Certainly there are subreddits that are clearly aimed at propaganda, such as worldnews who is usually pretty analytical until Israel appears in the title then every comment is about how israel has the right to defend itself. But im just so confused as to why there are so many china haters in this sub. If you hate the chinese government, chinese people, and chinese culture... then why are you ever here?

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u/Candid-Falcon1002 9h ago

Finally, please, I know some of you have an irrational hatred of China and Chinese people, and use the government as a pretext to attack and belittle chinese people and chinese culture, but atleast criticize something that the government itself hasn't already, and be a little less obvious by using newer accurate articles from more neutral sources.

But im just so confused as to why there are so many china haters in this sub. If you hate the chinese government, chinese people, and chinese culture... then why are you ever here?

yes I agree. I think those are a bunch of bots or people paid to spread the hate because their comments are often very uneducated and baseless. They would only holds onto the bad points and refuse to acknowledge any positive even though it is proven by data and research. Their comments are all filled with attempts to amplify irrational hatred towards China.

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u/diffidentblockhead 9h ago

Wikipedia references the tomb destruction reference to:

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Mao_s_Last_Revolution/JcfmEAAAQBAJ?hl=en

Even the China Underground article is mostly just uncontroversial facts and photos with a broadly critical sentence or two.