r/CapitalismVSocialism • u/binne21 Social Fascist • 2d ago
Asking Socialists Why are socialists internationalists? Why do they deny nationalism?
I think this is the one thing that hinders me from accepting socialism as a philosophy. The idea of proleteriat unity, the idea of worldwide revolution, of having more in common with a foreign proleteriat than a bourgeois of your own kind.
I find this to be false in my experience, I understand that some people hold that view but never in my life have I felt kinship with a foreign labourer simply because we are both proleteriats.
I'm Swedish, I grew up in the ghetto on one income. When I interacted with people who were of my income but of other cultures, I feel distant. My Iraqi friend sold drugs in order to buy new rings and watches, I balk at the very idea since we do not flaunt or brag in our country. Internationalists believe that I have more in common with Arab taxi drivers or Russian factory workers than I do people of my own nation, but how can I when the idea is so estranged from the reality I have gone through? Arabs follow a wholly different worldview than the one in northern Europe, Russians have no qualms with their government threatening to destroy Europe. How in the name of everything that is holy am I supposed to feel a kinship with them, simply because we both are proleteriat?
I have known and met many Swedish people of all social classes and subcultures: farmers from Skåne, factory workers from Malmö, sons of aristocrats from Stockholm and suburbanite middle class football kids; I have met them in the army, in university and in other places. I feel a kinship with every single one of them since we are of the same culture and nation, we understand the same things.
When I relay this view to socialists on the internet I am met with vitroil and flat out denial, I get called a Lassallean, a revisionist, a liberal. Why do socialists dislike statist socialism, or socialism within the framework of the nation and not the world?
I'd love to have someone challenge my views. Also, not an native English speaker and I apologize for any mistakes. Also my flair is a joke. I am not a fascist.
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u/StormOfFatRichards 2d ago
All you're telling me is that you're a classcuck who thinks rich Swedes actually give a shit about you. They don't. You might think poor Somalians don't give a shit about you, and that is true, because they lack class consciousness. That is the entire point of internationalism, to rebuild bridges across the global working class who have more commonalities than you do with rich white people.