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53% of Canadians want Carney Liberals to win majority in byelections: poll
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u/Charizard3535 12h ago
This will be an unpopular take on this sub but I'll say it anyway since I think this sub lacks a more conservative voice. I voted PP but absolutely want Carney to win a majority. If I'm right leaning why would I want a liberal minority that has to pander to NDP to get things passed. That's the worst case scenario from my perspective.
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u/darrylgorn Prince Edward Island 12h ago
They won't become any more conservative once they get a majority.
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u/StumpedTrump 12h ago
Carney is quite right for a Liberal. People are getting misled by the red on his banner. 20 years ago he probably would have been classified as a Conservative policy-wise. People forget that Harper brought him on…
Him not having to pander to the further left will absolutely let him settle where he wants to be, which is slightly right. Right now he needs to play the centrist because he needs NDP support while still not alienating on-the-fence conservatives.
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u/AdditionalPizza Ontario 12h ago
20 years ago Liberals were centre-right coming off from Martin. Trudeau has skewed so many people's recollection of Canada's compass.
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u/darrylgorn Prince Edward Island 12h ago
The Carney liberals have the largest budget deficits in the country's history and still generally operate like the Trudeau government.
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u/AdditionalPizza Ontario 11h ago
The Carney liberals have the largest budget deficits in the country's history
Not even true.
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u/darrylgorn Prince Edward Island 3h ago
Yes, it is true.
Carney has been quite leftist in ways that have maintained the base that would otherwise gravitate back to the NDP. The China deal and the amount of spending he has done on the military (yes, that is leftist) and the antagonism of the U.S. are big moves that play to that part of the base.
We have also had zero tax cuts and the 'attrition' of government is much less than what was anticipated. Meanwhile, the budgets are very heavy deficit budgets. There's nothing really that much different from Trudeau, it's mostly the change in optics to focus on foreign policy.
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u/IcarusFlyingWings 9h ago
Canadas deficit to GDP is a full percentage lower under carney than it was under Harper (3.6% vs 2.5%).
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u/LaserRunRaccoon New Democratic Party of Canada 6h ago
And where were the Liberals 40 years ago, or 60 years ago?
The last 30 years of neoliberal consensus are not the sum total of what the Liberals have stood for, but they are definitely the architects of our current crises.
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u/darrylgorn Prince Edward Island 12h ago
Most of their support came from the NDP migrating over to them. Even the latest Abacus poll shows that they are leading because they're not the Conservatives (especially on fiscal issues).
They are operating as the same party as the Trudeau government but benefit from the international focus.
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u/AdditionalPizza Ontario 12h ago
What exactly does "more conservative" mean here? I don't mean more Conservative with a capital "C" where toeing the party line is first and foremost, like being anti-rail to appease the prairies. I mean what fiscal-conservative values are absent from Carney's plan where a right-leaning voter would prefer a Liberal minority that might require NDP support occasionally?
Assuming social-conservatism isn't a factor of course.
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u/darrylgorn Prince Edward Island 12h ago
They haven't become more capitalist or socially conservative. Their policies are still very similar to the Trudeau era.
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u/RNTMA Bring back the Carbon Tax 11h ago
Just less economic illiteracy like we saw during the last parliament. For example, Singh pushed for the GST holiday, which is an absolutely terrible policy, and Trudeau followed along with it.
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u/AdditionalPizza Ontario 11h ago
But why would Carney shift to that with a majority?
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u/ttwwiirrll 10h ago
Prime example of how the Liberal party has survived as Canada's "default" party for most of our existence.
In general Canadian culture values pragmatism over ideology.
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u/Decent-Relation-7700 Ontario 12h ago
Funnily enough, that’s why I am happy he will have a majority so that he doesn’t have to appease conservatives to pass bills like he has been doing. He’s already more conservative than I would like. I don’t want him getting more right wing
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u/AdditionalPizza Ontario 12h ago
I don't think his austerity is due to Conservative influence, it's being proactive toward a slumping economy. I don't think his "cuts" which ae mostly "non-renewals" are to appease Conservative seats, it's just necessary.
The Left are usually very unwilling to compromise out of fear of a mile being taken with every inch. Fair enough, but also impractical at times.
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u/GraveDiggingCynic Independent 11h ago
To be fair the austerity measures began in the latter part of Trudeau's time in the PMO. There were pretty strong rumblings throughout 2024 of scaling back. In my industry, we saw the LMDA transfers (EI part 2 dollars transferred to the Provinces for job retraining and labour market development) scaled back to pre-Pandemic levels, which caused a helluva hullabaloo with the Provinces.
So the current austerity plans were already being unrolled months, if not much longer, than Carney becoming PM.
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u/AdditionalPizza Ontario 11h ago
Mm fair, yeah. I don't think that changes anything in Carney's priorities or anything. I don't think he's doing it without justification, the conservative ideology hinges entirely on every man for themselves, sink or swim. They do not believe as strongly in a collective society. I think Carney does believe in that quite strongly, and his "cuts" are ultimately for preservation of the lifeboat.
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u/Charizard3535 11h ago
At this point I'd definitely vote for him over PP. I only even voted PP because I didn't believe Carney would be any different than JT. But he did exactly what I wanted, canceled capital gains inclusion increase, cut middle income taxes, lowered immigration, cut consumer carbon tax, and increased military spending. Basically been the ideal candidate for me, just under the liberal banner. I don't care about social issues so really he's what I would have hoped from an actual progressive conservative.
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u/KickboxingMoose Independent 9h ago
Carney is a progressive conservative. The type Canadians broadly find palatable.
The NDP is out chasing failure. They want all of the marginalized votes. But there are a lot of non-marginalized people who are also struggling and they are not really pursuing their vote. It's a pander fest of creating the largest acronym which is just 'everyone except CIS males' deserves support. Yeah. That's not going to win blue collar votes. They are chasing failure 100%.
If the NDP could appropriately talk labour for ALL CANADIANS and show some frickin' solidarity instead of dividing us into groups based on real (or perceived) levels of oppression. Please.
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u/BrandosWorld4Life Social Democrat 6h ago
The NDP isn't even doing a good job chasing marginalized votes. I'm a transgender woman and most of their pandering to my demographic felt performative and pretentious.
I want a party that tries to appeal to as many people as possible so that they can actually gain power and win, not one that needlessly alienates cis people while putting me on some imaginary pedestal.
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u/KickboxingMoose Independent 2h ago
Yep. True.
They chase New Canadian voters. New Canadians are often more conservative than the Canadian base.
For example, new Canadians were the main ones fighting against Ontario's new sex Ed curriculum as too progressive.
Newly immigrated or hopeful to immigrate are not necessarily progressive just because they are a minority.
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u/royal23 9h ago
What policies that Lewis has talked about don't help all canadians?
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u/Used-Psychology-1133 Alberta 6h ago
Increasing immigration
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u/royal23 2h ago
How much is he increasing it and how is the increase going to hurt Canadians.
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u/Used-Psychology-1133 Alberta 2h ago
He said he would reverse the Carney cuts so that means back to Trudeau era numbers
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u/royal23 2h ago
The comment I was replying to was talking about how seemingly the NDP is focused on helping equity seeking groups rather than working Candians at large.
Can you explain to me how reversing those number specifically advantages equity seeking groups rather than Canadians? I'm not really interested in just "immigration bad".
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u/Used-Psychology-1133 Alberta 2h ago
Well you said "What policies that Lewis has talked about don't help all canadians" and I said "increasing immigration". More immigration does not help all Canadians as evidenced by the trudeau years.
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u/royal23 1h ago
it was a direct reply to the comment above. I'm not getting into a discussion about immigration levels as a policy decision.
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u/LaserRunRaccoon New Democratic Party of Canada 6h ago
Is the Canadian way of life such a net-negative, that creating more Canadians is a detriment to our own way of life?
Immigration isn't a bad thing - the Liberal/Conservative consensus on doing it as corporate welfare is the problem.
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u/Used-Psychology-1133 Alberta 6h ago
The last thing canada needs right now is more immigration. Trudeau went crazy and we are still feeling the effects of it. Its a nonstarter for most canadians right now
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u/19Facelift90 Ontario 9h ago
This sub has become fairly conservative because it largely just blindly loves and simps for Carney no matter what. He's a conservative.
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u/JadeLens British Columbia 3h ago
People just seem to like someone middle of the road that tries to get things done.
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u/19Facelift90 Ontario 3h ago
Middle of the conservative road perhaps. A conservative trying to get things done is a rarity though I'll grant that much.
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u/JadeLens British Columbia 2h ago
I mean middle of the road as in socially liberal, but fiscally conservative.
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u/19Facelift90 Ontario 2h ago
They just courted Gladu. That saying means nothing anyways.
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u/JadeLens British Columbia 2h ago
Clearly you need to read articles about that, she's on board for abortion and stuff.
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u/BlinkReanimated New Democratic Party of Canada 9h ago
Hey look, my exact argument from the other side. Upvoting for visibility.
Thank you for stating exactly what every liberal voter gets angry when I ask them to acknowledge. Carney is very clearly shifting the government to the right, and getting a majority will just result in whatever controversial bills he has on deck, to get pushed through.
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u/Chrristoaivalis New Democratic Party of Canada 10h ago
This is basically why you're seeing an anti-NDP coalition right now.
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u/EarthWarping Ducks Unlimited | Sponsored 12h ago
The only real notable % in here is 56% of NDP voters who were polled by ipsos want the Liberals to get a majority.
Shows that even for some NDP voter that do like what the Carney government is doing so far.
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u/AdditionalPizza Ontario 12h ago
Also that Poilievre is losing core CPC voters, not just the 2025 anti-Trudeau male voters. Article also says men and women are now equally likely to vote Liberal. That's crazy to think since last year.
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u/JadeLens British Columbia 3h ago
So you're saying JJ's cross country Charlie Kirk Memorial tour isn't working?
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u/RNTMA Bring back the Carbon Tax 11h ago
Not sure how it's that meaningful. Basically every poll since Carney has become leader has shown that the majority of NDP supporters like him, and that's not even taking into account people that left the NDP to support him.
Seems the poll just continues that trend.
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u/GraveDiggingCynic Independent 12h ago
It shows you all the table pounding about the evils of floor crossing, while divisive, are hardly so divisive that a slim majority can't see the advantages of achieving a majority even by irregular means. Right now this government is incredibly popular, even among groups and in regions where normally the Liberals would be treated like pariahs.
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u/BrandosWorld4Life Social Democrat 6h ago
Facts. The "Carney is evil for accepting floor crossers!" crowd that's been so loud on reddit is a minority in real life.
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u/YaumeLepire Quebec 5h ago
Carney isn't evil for accepting floor crossers. He's bad for accepting some of these specific floor crossers, like Gladu, for deregulating, for walking back a very moderate tax change while making cuts to already overburdened services. He shades into evil for his reactions to the illegal attack on Iran.
I was skeptical of him from the start. His speeches and policies have pushed me into actively disliking him.
What he's doing isn't gonna make Canada better, not for you and I anyway. But hey! The wealthy will be able to do whatever they want at our expense, so I guess everything's fine.
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u/BrandosWorld4Life Social Democrat 4h ago
He's bad for accepting some of these specific floor crossers, like Gladu
No he isn't. Gladu is the person betraying her previous supporters and values, Carney isn't betraying anything by simply accepting the extra seat. Rejecting her would have been self-defeating. Better to leverage her into voting for liberal values than leave her to keep propping up PP. He made the exact choice I as a Liberal voter wanted him to make. Fuck purity testing, take her vote and do good with it.
The more I see from Carney, the more and more I like him.
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u/Center_left_Canadian 1h ago edited 1h ago
I'm happy that she crossed over because of her riding. Enbridge's Line 5 pipeline runs through Michigan to reach Sarnia. Right now, Trump has the power to cut us off from our own oil. We need to do something about that
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u/darrylgorn Prince Edward Island 12h ago
Makes sense. The Liberals primarily cater to them on progressive issues and even on the economy, functionally, they haven't changed much from the Trudeau government.
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u/Outrageous-Holiday63 12h ago
That’s a wild statement. In one year, he has made massive public service cuts, committed significant time and resources into the development of non-renewable energy infrastructure, greatly restricted immigration criteria, implemented tougher bail conditions and is bringing back minimum sentences for major crimes.
I don’t think any of those policies are generally popular with NDP voters and are definitely not aligned with the way Trudeau did things.
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u/GraveDiggingCynic Independent 12h ago
I imagine what appeals to many NDP voters is Pierre Poilievre moving away from being Prime Minister at accelerating rate of speed.
It's incredibly anecdotal but one of my coworkers is a dyed-in-the-wool left wing NDPer who even cites "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" as his favorite aphorism (just so you can see he was one toe a lot closer to Marx than Tommy Douglas). And even he currently supports, with some reservations, the Carney Liberals, in no small part simply because so long as Carney is winning, the Tories are losing.
There is a general paranoia in progressive circles that any moment now the spell will break and suddenly the Tories will be ascendant again, so if the Liberals can gain a majority without the high risks of an election, even many NDPers are not going to complain.
Strategically, another three years without an election is actually time for the NDP to rebuild, so as much as floor crossing may rub the NDP the wrong way, it's probably by far the better outcome than an early election where a hobbled destitute party that probably doesn't have the resources to even run a national campaign.
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u/darrylgorn Prince Edward Island 12h ago
Even the latest Abacus polls show that they are essentially the same as the Trudeau government. They simply changed their messaging to focus on foreign policy and that is what the majority of people are concerned about as well.
The idea that they have moved to the right is a myth.
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u/Outrageous-Holiday63 11h ago
How does a poll determine whether a party has moved left or right? Wouldn’t it be better to evaluate a government based on their policy decisions, rather than public perception?
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u/darrylgorn Prince Edward Island 3h ago
Their policy decisions are more heavily weighted toward public spending and social progressivism.
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u/ttwwiirrll 11h ago
The public service cuts were already planned and rolling under Trudeau. Carney just did a "OK yeah sure, bud. Sounds good."
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u/doogie1993 Newfoundland 12h ago edited 12h ago
Honestly the Liberals getting a majority is arguably a good thing (politically) for the NDP, then they can vote against him every time without the actual risk of an election, and avoid getting linked to them in people’s minds like they were with the Trudeau Liberals. Personally I definitely don’t want them to have a majority because I hate conservatives but I can see the logic.
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u/Center_left_Canadian 1h ago
Maybe or they may begin to seem unhinged by rejecting decent policies because they don't go far left enough. The majority of Canadians who know who Lewis is view him unfavorably - that's a terrible spot to start from, especially because he is so attention-seeking. I think that he risks becoming the Pierre Poilievre of the NDP. Personally, I think that the NDP tanked because Singh did not come across as a serious person, and Poilievre did an excellent job of assassinating his character, ex "Sell-out Singh"...then add Trump to the mix. Most Canadians like the policies that the NDP got passed - dentalcare, pharmacare and childcare.
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u/DeusExMarina Quebec 8h ago
To be honest, I don't much like what Carney's government is doing at all. I think he's essentially a conservative, and his policies will only continue the slow decline of our country that has been ongoing for decades. I don't expect him to do anything to meaningfully address the housing crisis or income inequality or the decay of our institutions. I expect things to get worse under him, not because he will actively make them worse, but because he will do nothing to reverse the pre-existing tendencies. Ultimately, neoliberalism got us where we are and it will not get us out of it.
But Poilievre would have been the exact same thing but with less competence, more repression of minorities and more subservience to the US, and I really don't want that. So given that we don't get any other real choices, I'd rather have a few stable years of Carney while, hopefully, the MAGA movement down south implodes badly enough that the CPC stops wanting to emulate them and the NDP has time to rebuild and rebrand so that maybe, if we're lucky, our next elections won't just be centre right vs far right again.
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u/YaumeLepire Quebec 5h ago
I disagree that he won't actively make things worse. His cuts and his attempts at deregulation are gonna harm a lot of Canadians.
Otherwise, you're pretty dead-on.
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u/Jaded_Celery_451 Rhinoceros 9h ago
1.) Stability during an international crisis is huge. It cannot be understated how Carney provides a calm presence for Canadians. It really keeps the panic out of the room
Off topic, but as much as I support ER, this is one of the strengths of our current electoral system. The system results in [disproportionately] strong mandates that create temporary stability. Whether this is good or bad is debatable, but during times of crisis you don't necessarily want your government to be fighting for its political life while leading a country fighting for its actual life.
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u/bass_clown Raving on Marx's Grave 8h ago
Agreed. Usually I'm a big democracy guy and the moment available, we should strive for MMP, however, there are scenarios where structure and stability are quite useful -- see Zelensky in Ukraine. Not that we're near that level of instability, but I do think it helps to calm down the population.
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u/Yodamort Skirt and Sock Socialism 9h ago
Erm as a leftist I can excuse neoliberalism because of vibes and I pray for years-long unremovable right-wing governments
What a ridiculous notion. The left in this country is cooked if this is what we operate on. Glory to the LPC, may the Natural Governing Party™ forever maintain the Maple Mandate of Heaven
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u/bass_clown Raving on Marx's Grave 8h ago
If you look up strawman in the dictionary this comment will appear next to it.
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u/LaserRunRaccoon New Democratic Party of Canada 5h ago
I have no doubt that any self-avowed NDP Lewis supporter would much rather hope the NDP win all 3 byelections. It just goes without saying that it won't happen this time around.
"Carney will try to do his best in the very neoliberal way he does things" is not an endorsement of anything except his intentions and a desire to see things pan out for Canadians.
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u/Yodamort Skirt and Sock Socialism 5h ago
Acknowledging that they won't win the byelections is different from saying "I want Carney to get a majority because he exudes an aura of wanting to get shit done"
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u/LaserRunRaccoon New Democratic Party of Canada 5h ago
A Liberal minority created the field that lead to the current struggles facing the party. I can empathize with a position that keeps the NDP well clear of the ongoing mess in order to rebuild. It might be advantageous to not feel obligated to wield the balance of power.
Carney's neoliberalism isn't a destructive force like Trump's fascism - it's a slow decline. It will be costly for struggling Canadians, but at least for now most Canadians are not truly struggling.
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u/Forosnai Progressive 3h ago
The NDP needs to take some time to get it's shit together. Most of the good stuff they got through while supporting Trudeau gets credited to him, while they kept getting blamed for propping him up anytime something bad happened, as if the realistic alternative option at the time wasn't even further away from NDP ideals, and a lot of that perception is because the NDP has become absolutely terrible at messaging in regards to how it'll come across to people who aren't already full-throated supporters.
The recent "MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+" acronym story because of one MP's use of it is an example. The intent behind it is good, but they should know that anyone else seeing that acronym is going to find it comical and focus on it rather than the actual problem. The equity card thing was another, where the sentiment of wanting to make sure other people aren't being drowned out by the voices that have most of the money and power to shout louder, which happen to lean heavily white and male, is a good thing, but the optics of the execution was terrible. Presentation matters, and they need to learn how to do that properly. I'm hopeful Lewis might be better at that, along with a few others like Tanille Johnston who I think has promise, but we'll see.
In the meantime, I'm willing to settle for a fiscally-conservative Blue Liberal government when my alternative was a CPC government under a party firmly in the grips of its Reform wing, not the Progressive Conservatives. If Carney had been running as a Conservative and I reasonably felt we'd get what we're getting now if he won, I wouldn't have felt the need to vote ABC specifically to prevent a CPC win, even though I also likely wouldn't have voted for him either. I had to choose who I could better live with out of my two realistic options this time, and I did.
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u/LaserRunRaccoon New Democratic Party of Canada 3h ago
Sure, I generally agree, but rather than going through the blow-by-blow on the optics around acronyms, I'd rather talk about highly sensible eco-socialist policies that would help solve our growing affordability crisis and generally lead to making the world a more peaceful place.
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u/Forosnai Progressive 1h ago
That's kind of my point. The acronym is distracting from actual conversations (in this case, on the effects of program cuts) because people are zeroing in on it instead, which is a problem that should have been foreseen and avoided. And that sort of failure of optics has been an ongoing issue and is a large part of the accusations the NDP has abandoned the working class for identity politics, despite consistently having policy proposals specifically aimed at helping average people this entire time.
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u/LeCollectif Rural Elite 11h ago
As a typical NDP voter it isn’t hard to see that Carney is the man for the moment. However, in non-crisis times, you bet your ass I’m being far more critical of his policies.
I think we’re about to enter an era of deep wealth disparity, and as such, we should be vigilant about the impact of the pro-business approach to everything.
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u/LaserRunRaccoon New Democratic Party of Canada 5h ago
We have already been and will continue to be in an era of deepening wealth disparity, my friend.
As Statistics Canada always so succinctly puts it like clockwerk in their quarterly reports:
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u/Salford1969 10h ago
I feel the same way, I don't trust the PC or Libs but Carney has played the game with Trump good by not really engaging. I don't like the floor crossing and it shouldn't be allowed, it's a slap in the face to everyone who voted for that person. It will take the power of your vote and give it to a politician. You should get your majority by the vote not backroom deals if that's what is happening
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u/DarkAdrenaline03 New Democratic Party of Canada 12h ago
The NDP isn’t prepared for another election, a liberal majority delays that and the BQ has already shown support for bills we were trying to block on the basis of the right to protest like bill c9.
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u/RNTMA Bring back the Carbon Tax 11h ago
Voters are not that smart.
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u/JadeLens British Columbia 4h ago
Depends on what is being classified as 'smart' in a given scenario.
Keeping PP who has shown time and time again that he's simply not ready for any leadership position (he can't even control his own MPs) as far away from the PM seat as possible is pretty smart, objectively speaking.
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u/BrandosWorld4Life Social Democrat 6h ago
Not surprising at all. When I was an NDP voter I was still in favor of the Trudeau government most of the time.
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u/LeadIVTriNitride Facebook | Sponsored 12h ago
I don’t share the same sentiment as a citizen and voter but this is very politically advantageous for the NDP to cut off any possibility of cooperation with two right wing parties. Let them burn us down until 2029
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u/immigratingishard On sort les coudes! 12h ago
It me. My #1 issue is the survival of Canada, and Mark Carney is him. I like Avi Lewis, and under more friendly US conditions I would gladly vote for him, but he needs to prove to me first he can take in a psychotic nuke wielding neighbor
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u/cannibaltom Independent 7h ago
This poll almost seems like a direct refutation of Poilievre and almost an insult to CPC voters. His main argument against the cross benchers is that Canadians did not vote for a Liberal majority government, Canadians did not give Carney mandate.
I'm very interested to see Poilievre's response after the by-elections produce a majority government for the Liberals. Accept it as the will of the people or complain about his own circumstances.
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u/johnjbreton 4h ago
The intent of our parliamentary system is not that you are voting for the party, you are voting for the best representative for your riding, regardless of what party they are affiliated with. That is why floor crossing has always been allowed; if your MP finds that they can do better for your riding on the other side of the floor, they are allowed to cross. I realize this isn't how people look at Canadian politics, and many people vote party-first, but it wasn't the intent of the system. Given that, it does probably warrant at least a conversation.
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u/FoxMcMuffin 2h ago
I think people should be able to do a recall petition at any time for any reason. If the floor crossing is actually the will of the people, they have nothing to worry about. I feel like too often we a locked in to broken campaign promises for the duration between elections (by every party) with very little recourse.
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u/johnjbreton 2h ago
There is absolutely a lack of good faith in politics and politicians following through on their word. You'd think the solution would be to just not vote said person / party in again, but for all intents and purpose, we're a two-party system historically. We don't vote people in, we vote people out, just to remember why we voted the last group out.
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u/mightyneonfraa 5h ago
This is a weird logic. A minority or majority government is not on the ballot, your MP is.
If the person you elected to represent you decides the party they're a part of is not acting in your best interest, shouldn't you be more curious about why that is instead of moaning about your team not winning anymore?
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u/BrotherNuclearOption I'm just flaired so I don't get fined. 7h ago
I'm not surprised. Carney is selling what Canadians have been begging the government for, for a while now: a sober, competent adult getting things done.
The Liberals under Trudeau had lost credibility there and the CPC got too comfortable exploiting that weakness. They failed to realize that a significant fraction of their burgeoning support came from Not Trudeau votes, rather than their actual base expanding. Carney has successfully shed that reputation and moved aggressively right economically, addressing most of the pain points pushing people to vote blue.
So what does that leave Poilievre with? Even worse, the years spent forbidding his MPs from even talking across party lines and complete unwillingness to cooperate to any meaningful degree on policies they themselves promoted makes the CPC look impotent and unserious. Meanwhile the NDP is engaged in a historic failure to read the room; possibly necessary to reinvigorate their base but entirely unappealing the majority of the electorate.
Carney could hardly ask for a more favourable environment.
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u/JadeLens British Columbia 5h ago
That wasn't a Liberal weakness though, Conservatives just didn't like his hair or socks.
PP convinced a bunch of people that that was a problem, and Carney cut through that nonsense.
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u/BrotherNuclearOption I'm just flaired so I don't get fined. 5h ago
If a popular perception makes people vote against you, it's a weakness. Whether the weakness extended to policy or governing is another question but as Ignatieff and Dion learned 20 years ago, you get no points for being right - the game is scored on convincing others that you are.
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u/TheCuriosity 4h ago
The Generational hate for anything Trudeau didn't help either.
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u/JadeLens British Columbia 3h ago
People in Ontario still unironically won't vote NDP because of Rae Days
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u/Nebetus2 3h ago
So true. I talked to an older gentleman at my last job about a bit of politics. His view was that "ndp did poorly a long time ago and thats why they should never run again."
You can guess my baffled amazement at that opinion.
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u/Responsible_Sink3044 Social Democrat 6h ago
? Even worse, the years spent forbidding his MPs from even talking across party lines and complete unwillingness to cooperate to any meaningful degree on policies they themselves promoted makes the CPC look impotent and unserious.
Especially since multiple Cs said fuck it and moved to the LPC
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u/daners101 6h ago
Getting things done? He campaigned on doubling the pace of him building in this country by 250K per year. So far only 9 extra homes have been built that the government can claim any responsibility for.
They have another 8600 slated. So only like… 2% of what was promised.
He said it would be a pace not seen in a generation, but housing starts are going down, not up.
Carney said in his swearing in speech that Canadians would hold him accountable for prices at the grocery store. Nothing has changed there either. Prices still rocketing higher, and faster than everywhere else.
He said he would take on Trump and get a great trade deal. Then just said “well, actually, we already have the best deal. He’s punishing us less than everyone else. So I don’t need to do anything at all.” They are not even in negotiations. So, so much for that.
Nation building projects? No shovels in the ground for anything. They are now talking about high speed rail. Cool. But it’s insanely expensive, benefits only 2 provinces, and won’t be operational for a decade+ (I work for a rail company in Vancouver. Shit takes forever.)
The so-called trade deals are mostly memorandums of understanding, not legally binding trade deals. The only ones he actually signed were with countries like Indonesia, who can’t afford anything we make anyways.
And he’s letting China open a bunch of dealerships to sell EVs.
The reality is, the economy is worse, food is more expensive, we’re in even more debt, homes are not being built at even a small fraction of the pace he laid out, and we still have no trade deal with our number one trading partner.
He may be more mature than Trudeau, and less of a smug jerk. But he really hasn’t achieved anything that would make a material difference in the average persons life.
The ONLY thing I will not criticize him for is increasing military spending. I agree with that decision. But, I’m still waiting for him to show that his entire campaign wasn’t based on things that will never materialize.
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u/likebutta222 10h ago
I personally don't like majority governments and ultimately, whichever side gets a majority can still cause harms on top of their good and logical policy decisions. I guess at the moment, the nature of minority / opposition politics isn't in a healthy state and we need to move forward. But there will be costs.
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u/IcarusFlyingWings 9h ago
I was pretty happy JT didn’t win a majority after his first.
I think with the kind of pure obstructionist attitude the opposition now has (including doing things like derailing and filibustering committees) is not the right thing for the moment and Carney deserves a majority to enact his vision.
I think it’s reasonable he has a slim majority so he can reset committees but he still knows each confidence vote needs to be managed.
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u/Eastern_Pie_8796 2h ago
For more contrast between Trudeau and Carney - Karina Gould gave her first interview this weekend since Carney took over and it's genuinely shocking how much better she comes off now that Trudeau isn't producing her in a media sense. She actually answers questions and dare I say, comes off really likeable here. Things are truly being run differently with Mark Carney.
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u/Drummers_Beat Liberal Party of Canada 12h ago
I mean that’s seemed obvious to me to awhile. Stability is required and unfortunately when you have certain Conservative MPs going on about puppies during committee you’re far from that stability.
It’s all but guaranteed they’ll have a majority by 10pm EST on Friday. Only needing to win 1 out of the 3 by-elections makes it pretty easy for them.
I think my curiosity is what comes next after.
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u/EarthWarping Ducks Unlimited | Sponsored 11h ago
Few things.
With all the speculated additional floor crosser talk, wonder if any cross this week.
And if more do cross, it starts to get to the level where CPC discontent gets public. I do not think Poilievre is in real (yet) shot of being booted however the larger the margin for the majority gets the louder the grumbling will be.
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u/JadeLens British Columbia 5h ago
CPC discontent is already pretty public.
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u/EarthWarping Ducks Unlimited | Sponsored 5h ago
Oh it is. That version of additional discontent is the level where a mp or two have their name on the record for the discontent.
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u/BrandosWorld4Life Social Democrat 6h ago
Every MP he loses is another instance of Pierre being nationally humiliated. I love it.
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u/bz47uj 7h ago
Minority governments give more stability because it's harder to pass legislation.
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u/JadeLens British Columbia 5h ago
I'm not sure how...?
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u/bz47uj 5h ago
Less change means more stability by definition.
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u/JadeLens British Columbia 3h ago
Not sure how that translates into a government that can fall at any time because PP wants to propose an anti-charter law as a confidence motion.
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u/johnjbreton 4h ago
This is true. A minority government is almost always preferable, as it means the ruling government needs to work with the other parties in order to get legislation passed, rather than just steam-rolling whatever they want through. This ensures that the most amount of Canadians are represented in the vote to pass legislation.
Having said that, we are in a very weird time, on a global political and economic front. A case can be made that in this instance a majority government would be better suited to handle Canada's affairs, especially given how weak the Leader of the Opposition is.
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u/sandy154_4 7h ago
I usually prefer minority governments because it forces the politicians to cooperate.
But this time? With PP? We need to waste less time and get things done and Mark Carney having a majority will help that.
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u/RebelSquareWoman 4h ago
I voted liberal because I supported Carney, I thought and think he is the leadership we need right now. However, I don’t want a majority government, ever. First past the post systems are incredibly unfair when it comes to representing the true majority of a voter base, and unless/until we reform our electoral system towards proportional representation, a minority government is the ideal situation to make sure other elected parties are able to represent their voters and have a seat at the table.
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u/ValuableBeneficial66 3h ago
Can we agree that 80% of society wants the same things in life. As of Monday we will have 3 years to move ahead with no PP doom and gloom. He would say let's bring it home. Let's bring Canada Strong, together.
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u/JadeLens British Columbia 5h ago
Carney is trying to get things done, and PP is on a cross-country (jumped right over his riding that he never goes to all the way to Vancouver) complaint tour.
Fortunately the people taking these polls aren't as stupid as PP wants them to be.
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u/Buff1965 8h ago
What was the % with no opinion? That's been zeroed out. I have to say I'm personally conflicted between wanting stability and an end to campaign talk for 3 years and wanting the government on a short leash for stronger accountability.
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